Has anyone handled a SAR SARGUN?
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I have 2 other Turkish made pistols that cost me less Than $350 each . If the SARGUN is as good as the Stoeger cougar I have as well as the K2 , it should be good to go. Hank
Remarkable that they can put out a gun with a PPQ like trigger pull without any sort of trigger safety device for drop safety. I would be surprised if the trigger is Glock or PPQ light.
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I'm wondering if "Sargun" is some kind of word play on Sargon, a mideastern ruler of antiquity. If so, they are making a pun that their audience will likely not understand...
The trigger may be constructed like the Walther P99AS trigger, where entire the trigger face serves the same purpose as the Glock trigger blade (think Glock trigger turned inside-out).
It's an elegant design that I'm surprised others haven't copied.
EAA which is the importer for SAR guns has almost no specs for this model on their website. Why are people assuming it is a copy of the Walther PPQ internally?
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The photo sure seems to show a thumb safety.
Unless it uses PPQ or P99 mags, odds are you'll eat up any savings buying extra mags assuming you can find any to buy.
Unless it uses PPQ or P99 mags, odds are you'll eat up any savings buying extra mags assuming you can find any to buy.
Because there have been quite a few P99/PPQ clones (both licensed and unlicensed) at this point (SW99, Baby Eagle/MR9, TP9 series,etc.), and the slide, trigger/trigger guard, frame, mag release, grip and slide release show a very strong P99 influence.
But one item that strongly suggests this pistol may be different internally is the lack of the P99's takedown tabs, and the presence of CZ-75-like take-down markings, indicating that the take-down process may share at least some similarity with the CZ-75.
The MR9 and SW99 are built on Walther frames. They aren't clones.
But the TP9 is a clone of the P99 action.
None of that suggests what sort of trigger this SAR pistol has.
But the TP9 is a clone of the P99 action.
None of that suggests what sort of trigger this SAR pistol has.
The MR9 and SW99 are licensed clones/copies (or whatever synonymous term you'd like to use) of the P99. Walther did/does supply the frames.
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/clone
No, but it does establish the precedent that there have been a number of pistols over the years that are clones of the P99 design.
In gun parlance, a "clone" is a reverse engineered unlicensed copy of some other company's product. An MR9 is a license built Walther/MR joint product, built to Walther specs on a Walther frame using mostly compatible parts.
The only other P99-like product has been the TP9, and that is a clone. This new SAR thing also bears some Walther features, but it is a stretch to say it is a clone of the PPQ rather than the P99Q, P990, P99QA or P99DAO since we know nothing about its trigger system.
The only other P99-like product has been the TP9, and that is a clone. This new SAR thing also bears some Walther features, but it is a stretch to say it is a clone of the PPQ rather than the P99Q, P990, P99QA or P99DAO since we know nothing about its trigger system.
I can't defend the trigger comment.
However, the trigger appearance is 100% Walther P99 Gen1.
Notice the ski bump and it's location? Notice the short paddle mag release? Notice the shape of the trigger guard? Wait, back up. Did you hear the paddle release part? That's all Walther's creation.
It is likely a clone as the P99 fell out of copy right.
However, the trigger appearance is 100% Walther P99 Gen1.
Notice the ski bump and it's location? Notice the short paddle mag release? Notice the shape of the trigger guard? Wait, back up. Did you hear the paddle release part? That's all Walther's creation.
It is likely a clone as the P99 fell out of copy right.
HK developed that type of mag release.
The problem is that the first Gen P99 has trigger safety hook to prevent drop fires from SA, and this gun does not have anything like that. To me, that means that the design is bad or the trigger weight is up in the DAO range of 8 pounds or more. OR, it means that the gun is a classic SAO and is only considered safe for carry with the manual safety on.
Since it doesn't appear to have a hammer OR decocker, I think we can rule out it being DA/SA.
The problem is that the first Gen P99 has trigger safety hook to prevent drop fires from SA, and this gun does not have anything like that. To me, that means that the design is bad or the trigger weight is up in the DAO range of 8 pounds or more. OR, it means that the gun is a classic SAO and is only considered safe for carry with the manual safety on.
Since it doesn't appear to have a hammer OR decocker, I think we can rule out it being DA/SA.
The USP had the short nub mag release. The P2000 had the short nub mag release. The P30 (P3000) came out in 2006. Longer, but still a nub.
The P99 Gen1 was the first with an extended "paddle" release. 1996.
That isn't an HK mag release and that isn't anything but 100% geometry of the P99 Gen1 trigger guard.
The outside is 100% Walther inspired:
https://www.google.com/search?q=P99...ved=0ahUKEwjwh_Sp8NrPAhWK1IMKHV5xB2IQ_AUIBygC
The P99 Gen1 was the first with an extended "paddle" release. 1996.
That isn't an HK mag release and that isn't anything but 100% geometry of the P99 Gen1 trigger guard.
The outside is 100% Walther inspired:
https://www.google.com/search?q=P99...ved=0ahUKEwjwh_Sp8NrPAhWK1IMKHV5xB2IQ_AUIBygC
That's fine, I was just pointing out where Walther got the basic idea from - the HK P7M8.
But none of that tells us anything at all about the trigger system.
But none of that tells us anything at all about the trigger system.
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