Has this Obama/Pelosi ammo market turned you from a shooter to an ammo hoarder?

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Neither. I reload so no big deal. I just crank out ammo as I get time and try and keep ahead of my shooting habit. Right now I am out of 357 magnum, low on 357 sig, 40, 10mm and 9mm. I have plenty 38/44's, 38 special and 38 supers.

Thinking about that, I should be in front of the press instead the monitor.
 
Like always happens, someone blames the ills of the market driven world on politics.

Can anyone point to specific legislation sponsored, endorsed and signed into law by the current administration which has driven the prices of ammo so high???

For sure the market place was driven by peoples' fears or misconceptions about the intentions of the current administration, no matter how unfounded they were. But I don't recall any legislation enacted.
 
Can anyone point to specific legislation sponsored, endorsed and signed into law by the current administration which has driven the prices of ammo so high???

For sure the market place was driven by peoples' fears or misconceptions about the intentions of the current administration, no matter how unfounded they were. But I don't recall any legislation enacted.

The legislation passed by this administration was the federal budget. The Federal Reserve (independently run) is in charge of paying for this insane budget so they keep printing money and devaluing the dollar. Everything is bought and sold on a global economy so when the dollar is weak, our stuff costs more.
 
You can say I'm hoarding, but I say I've saving to have ammo to shoot when I retire. (soon! if plans stay on track)
 
For the last time I am not hoarding, I'm just setting up a good supply before the hoarders do. Really you sound just like my wife.
 
No.

But a Gingrich or Santorum administration could.
 
I have been comparing the price of supplies to the cost of factory made in the 9mm and 45 online. Maybe I have not found the right source for supplies because so far the the time invested to load 1000 rounds is worth more at the federal minimum wage than the savings I can realize.
Can you guys share where you are getting supplies at the best prices so as to save reasonable money.
I have been seeing 124 gr bullets at around $95/1000, primers at $25 and powder at about $15. If you have to purchase even 300 brass casings you it's around $40 so before shipping or taxes I would be in for $175 and I can buy 1000 rounds or Ruag 124 9mm at $200 locally. I guess that over a years time I could save around $1500 but the time invested seems to cancel that out. What am I missing?
Those who choose to reload earn minimum wage at their work and have nothing better to do with their free time? One sales person at Walmart who knows nothing about shooting made an astute observation. She said they will buy less food or cheap food but will buy ammo even if it becomes more expensive then it is now. That is Krazy!
 
The last few posts above this show me there is rational thinking and hope for this country, especially with open minded gun owners. Our current financial issues stem from the out of control spending long before the current administration. And guess what, we can still buy black guns and ammunition.
 
If we just say NO to current prices by not buying and hoarding ammo the problem will go away.
 
Maybe... but then we may be sorry that we didn't pony up the cash today when prices double in a couple of years. Investing is an educated guessing game that's affected by chance.
 
People stock up on ammo because it makes them feel good.

It makes certain people feel good to know, that in the event of a major disaster, at least they will not have to worry about not having bought ammo when it was available.

But really, how many rounds of handgun ammo do you think you will get to squeeze off before the Zombies get to you by virtue of their overwhelming numerical superiority?
 
+1 on using a lee handloader while watching the news or your favorite waste-of-time sitcom. I did this when I "had no room and no time" and it was very effective. Initial setup for a hand press, and the various required accessories can be had for about $150 including a reloading book. Range pickup brass is free in most places.

I now have a garage and have graduated to a progressive (LnL), but I do use the hand press to pop primers before I tumble the brass.

I do try to keep a good supply of bullets, primers, and powder for each caliber that I shoot regularly. I try to buy a couple hundred bullets for rifles or premium pistol bullets that I don't "need" every time I order my pistol bullets in bulk.
 
Rational thought equals stable market prices equals stable commodity prices equals stable consumer prices. When was the last time you remember stable market prices? Did I hear you say, "Never."? That's what I thought you said...
 
The ammo shortage of a few years ago didn't have anything to do with the President or the Democrats (and I say that as somebody who votes as a liberal Republican)

We had a war going on in Iraq and another in Afghanistan. In 2005 or so the congress decided that all ammo used by the US Military should come from American companies. This was a good decision, and made to protect our production base for ammunition.

So for about 4 years Winchester and Remington and Federal were making ammo to fill military contracts FIRST and the police contracts SECOND and fulfilling demand from the public was a lower priority.

Price went up because of demand and because China is buying lots of copper because they have a huge building boom going on. (China is still buying lots of copper in Africa)

Ammo is again widely available and the prices have come down a little bit.

For those who don't reload, .22 conversion units for your various weapons are a good way to maintain basic proficiency at low cost.
 
Has this Obama/Pelosi ammo market turned you from a shooter to an ammo hoarder?

It turned me into a bitter, bitter man who clings to his guns, vast cache of ammunition, and religion. ;)
 
Can anyone point to specific legislation sponsored, endorsed and signed into law by the current administration which has driven the prices of ammo so high???

Well, shredding brass then selling the scrap to china doesn't help.
 
I don't hoard to be ready for zombies, commies, liberals. I keep a good supply on hand because I like to shoot, my kid LOVES to shoot, and it ain't going to get cheaper. I can afford it now, will I be able to later? No idea.
 
As I thought, for the most part just fear mongering and no hard legislation. Jeff22 has it right.
jmstevens, I doubt shredding brass had anything to do with legislation. Sounds more like internal DOD policy by a descendant of Robert McNamara.
I guess the point I've been making is that there hasn't been any real policy changes by this administration, or the one before either.
 
No, it was a change in policy very recently. They were selling it to places like Georgia Arms for reloading at a higher than scrap price. It was something Hillary pushed as I recall. The government loses money by scrapping it. It is a "behind the scenes" thing.
 
The legislation passed by this administration was the federal budget. The Federal Reserve (independently run) is in charge of paying for this insane budget so they keep printing money and devaluing the dollar. Everything is bought and sold on a global economy so when the dollar is weak, our stuff costs more.

Well the exchange rate of dollars per euro peaked in July 2008, at $1.58 per euro. Right now it's at $1.32 per euro.

Now, for sure, the Chinese Yuan is a lot stronger versus the dollar than it was in June 2005 (it's 6.35 per dollar versus 8.27 in June 2005), but while that does mean all the junk we buy from China is more expensive, it also means that American manufacturing is more competitive, and that it's easier for them to buy stuff from us.

If you wanna talk about why FOOD costs more, that's got everything to do with Goldman Sachs bundling food commodities into a single bond that people buy on the assumption that the price of food will go up...which becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. As with the housing crisis, it was Wall Street that screwed us over, not the federal government.

As for government once-fired brass getting turned into scrap, the government plan to do that was quickly killed when it popped up in early 2009. The scrapping is going on now, but that's because ATK/Alliant Tech Systems, the company that runs Lake City Arsenal, goes and buys the once-fired brass directly from military bases and then destroys it on site, and pays the military bases then and there. The officers in charge of the bases are the ones who sold you out, not Obama and Pelosi; you were sold out to Alliant Tech Systems, not anti-gun activists.

Here's the ATK/Alliant flyer for the program that destroys all the once-fired brass that would otherwise be sold to the public: http://www.progunleaders.org/ammo/SCSBrassRecycle%28small%29.pdf

Page 11 of the ATK/Alliant .pdf here says the same thing. "Keeps military-grade brass from being reloaded by unauthorized users."
 
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