Has WWIII started?

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I heard an interesting story on the radio this morning. It began by noting that Israel and Hezbollah are fighting in Lebanon (described by some as a "proxy war" for the U.S. vs. Iran), the U.S. is battling insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan, the North Koreans are test firing missiles over Japan, Iran is hurriedly marching toward membership in the nuclear club, bombs are going off in Bombay, untold battles are being waged in Africa, etc., etc. Of course, let's not forget the numerous terrorist attacks on the U.S. and elsewhere over the last decade or so, from the bombing of the USS Cole, to 9/11, to the Madrid train bombings, Malysian nightclub bombings, and more.

The commentator then noted that throughout the 1930s, Winston Churchill was loudly proclaiming that war was coming. He shouted from he rooftops that Nazi Germany was re-arming, that Japan was preparing to take China, and that Fascist Italy had designs on Abyssinnia. Not many listened to him, and the west infamously decided to pursue a policy of appeasement. Neville Chamberlain's "peace in our time" speech is a good example.

Of course, it turned out that Churchill was right. Today, we generally recognize September 1, 1939, as the beginning of World War II. That was the date on which Germany invaded Poland, triggering England and France to declare war on Germany as a result of mutual defense treaties among those nations.

But even then, did anyone realize that WW II had begun? The evidence suggests that few did. There is no record of anyone referring to the wars in Europe and the Pacific at that time as "World War II." The first reference appears to be a statement by President Truman in September 1945, after the war was over! So it was only in retrospect that the general public and historians agreed that the events of 1939-45 were a "World War", and labelled them as such.

Newt Gingrich has been saying that World War Three has already begun. Others such as Senator Rick Santorum and commentator Bill O'Reilly have been saying either that we are already at war against Islamic Fascism, or that war is imminent. I heard a speech by Senator Santorum a few weeks ago where he made a compelling argument that our grandfathers stood up against state-sponsored secular fascism in WW II, and our fathers stood down communism in the cold war, but the test of our generation will be how we respond to religious fascism, most prominently displayed by the radical Islamic fundamentalists that seek to impose their will on the world.

What say you? Are we already at war? Will we look back someday and agree that World War III began on 9/11/2001? Or has it not yet begun? If the latter, can we still avoid war, or is it inevitable?
 
World War III? Yep.

Well, let's get on with it then, and get it over and done with as quickly and cheaply and decisively as possible.

I have three sons that I predict will get a free overseas trip from the U.S. military due to the Islamic scourge. I am thinking about the generation AFTER them now...
 
I don't think we are in a world war yet. We might be in the steps building up to it, but I think that a world war will happen when a religious extreamist group lights off a nuclear weapon, probably on the US or the UK's soil.

That will be the start of world war III, and the end of the world as we know it.

:uhoh:

Will it happen? That's for you to decide. I think it is bound to.
 
Methinks WWIV as well.

This has been brewing for the last 25 years. It is just now that the Islamofascists have enough money and power to take over countries (and no Soviets to keep them in check).

What is so surprising is that the vast majority of Europe and a majority of the US don't understand is that these people want us DEAD.

WWIV has already started and no one noticed.
 
Call it a WW,

but it's really a continuation of the cultural (or religious) war we've been in for about 1300 years now. Militant Islam held a European foothold in Spain for centuries but was stopped when they tried to breach the Pyrenees. After being forced out of Spain, they tried to invade from the east, but were stopped there as well.

The gradual fall of the Ottoman empire in the 19th and 20th centuries opened the door to British and French colonization in the Middle East and North Africa and another period of respite. With full independence for most of these states in the post-WW II era, they're marching again.

It's not just religious, it's political as well. Sunnis and Shi'ites in Iraq are at each others' throats. Sunni Syria is cooperating with Shi'ite Iran in supporting Hezbollah, There are even Christian factions in Lebanon supporting Hezbollah.

Oy veh!
 
I have mentioned this to a few friends who of course disagree with me.

The Horror of an Islaamo facist regime launching a Nuclear attack could be avoided and the war brought to a swift conclusion NOW.

How??? It really simple We go and take all of the Mideast oil fields, and pound the craap out of any who oppose us.

Its the Oil money that makes Islaamofacism possible, and a real threat to the rest of the world.

25 years from now folks will be wondering how we could have been so stupid as to not see the simple solution staring us in the face.


Let the flammin disagreements begin.
 
Have no fear. Open borders and a guest worker program will keep those nasty jihadi types out of the US. :rolleyes:
 
No need to go to the Middle East...

There are plenty of oil fields just south of us to satisfy our needs for decades if not centuries. And that's not counting ANWR and offshore U.S. drilling (don't want to get the greenies panties in a wad).

Read (or reread) Paul Erdman's "The Crash of '79," but remember who has the nukes. (Relatively) early end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it fiction.
 
We have not really settled when World Wae II started:
When Japan invaded China? Or was that just the Great Pacific War?
When Germany invaded Poland? Or was that just the Great European War?
When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and USA joined the great Pacfic and European Wars?

If the current IslamoFascist v the Western Workd started Munich 1972.
perhaps it is Wotld War III.
But if you date the Islamic v the West from the Crusades of the Middle Ages would that not be World War 0?
 
[QUOTEIts the Oil money that makes Islaamofacism possible, and a real threat to the rest of the world.][/QUOTE]

Think your on track here but include American corporate greed as a large
part of the problem.
 
WWIII, no...

Just a nother day in the parts of the world where people have been killing each other for thousands of years. They just may have found new inventive ways to do it, thats all. People have fought over this crappy land for as long as we have been keeping records. To think that we could put a stop that in the last 60 or so years that we have been babysitting them is just as insane as people who feel the need to kill each other over which god they pray to.
 
"Has World WarIII started ? "
NO.
But I think we have the door to it wide open by this limited war against terrorism. We are standing in the doorway and they are double dog daring us to jump in with both feet. The numbers of the enemy are in the tens of millions, and the current events are making more.
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Teach your children and grandchildren marksmanship, they are going to need it perhaps more so then the folks of WWII.
 
Well, folks. WWIII hasn't begun. However, Civil War II might comence as the fedgov expands it's powers using Islamic terrorism as an excuse to curtail our civil liberties, and have an excuse for national ID. Meanwhile, the Balkanization of the southern borders continues appace.

Wake up people. Islam is at war with itself. Shi'a and Sunni hate each other. They've put their excrement on pause to fight us. The moment we pull out of the Middle East (and then quit our oil habit) they will be killing each other from the backs of camels again, instead of threatening our way of life.

The neo-con agenda put us where we're at. The Iranians would be talking about fighting the Sunni groups, and nations instead of us if it weren't for our meddlesome nature.

Our government is the enemy.

The only threat to anyone posed by Muslims is the threat Europe faces, and frankly, they've brought it upon themselves. Someone was going to destroy them, and it was a foregone conclusion the moment they decided their past sins can only be redeemed in the blood of the descendents.
 
"It's not officially a World War until France has surrendered to somebody."

You may be thinking of Germany. France did not surrender in the First World War.
 
However, Civil War II might comence as the fedgov expands it's powers using Islamic terrorism as an excuse to curtail our civil liberties, and have an excuse for national ID
Interestingly enough I've always thought if there was ever a time in recent american history for US citizens to pickup arms against the US government it was the japanese internment during ww2. I wonder how many people would want the same thing done to muslims....
 
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