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Hate Crimes...

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Jeff White, Feb 8, 2006.

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  1. Jeff White

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    It looks like at least one jury was willing to look past all the politically correct charges and actually examine what happened:
    http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...9CD5897B2021EC658625710F0058D86F?OpenDocument
     
  2. fletcher

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    Hate crime legislation is stupid, IMO. Crime is crime.

    GJ
     
  3. gc70

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    The results of a crime are not changed by the motivation of the criminal. The very concept of a "hate crime" is repugnent.
     
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    Let's see, would you rather get shot by a raving, screaming, hate-filled lunatic who hates you because of your skin color?
    Or would it be better to be shot by a stone cold, emotionless psychopath just because he could?

    The entire notion of a "hate" crime is ridiculous.
     
  5. Jeff White

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    We have succeeded in criminalizing thought with laws like this. I wonder what our founding fathers would think of this?

    Jeff
     
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    I have to believe that we are continually morphing ourselves as a society to the whims of political groups.

    I for one cannot see the difference between being assaulted for "no reason" or being assaulted for some "perceived reason". You were assaulted, period. Trying to explain why cheapens the criminal act. But I guess some politicians are looking to tack on the "group" votes and act like they care.....

    When your getting your head bashed in by a steel toe work boot, your not too interested in whats being said..... chances are you can't hear it anyway.

    Punish criminals once and for all and let that be the deterrent. As far as I'm concerned, that "hate crime" term is just a plea bargining tool.
     
  7. Chrontius

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    The psychopath, because he's probably going to take time to aim; the screaming lunatic is probably going to kneecap you and then kick you to death over the course of the next three hours, before finally setting you on fire.

    Hate crime laws were passed because of the sadism inherent to many of the crimes. In reality, we should have laws against appallingly sadistic crimes. Say... life in prison, general population?

    *finds himself rather depressed at sounding so vindictive*
     
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    George Orwell was just a few years too early, but prophetic nevertheless.

    :mad:
     
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    Let me see if I got this right. Nava does not have sufficient command of the English language to testify in court without a translator, but claims that he has sufficient command of the English language to understand that Stufflebean shouted "white power" and "we should kill the Mexican dogs.":scrutiny:

    [my own negative hateful thought deleted];)
     
  10. cracked butt

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    As in 'sadistic' speech?:rolleyes:

    Funny how hate crimes are never charged in black on white crimes.
     
  11. Car Knocker

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    That's because whites (as a race) are not a protected group. For example: If I punch a member of a racially protected group in the nose while screaming a racial epithet, that's a hate crime. If a member of a racially protected group punches me (non-protected group) in the nose while screaming a racial epithet, that's not a hate crime. Understand?
     
  12. Double Naught Spy

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    I think the "hate crime" considerations are bogus as well. The penalties seem to focus on more significant punishments for moral aspects. If a white guy beats up a white guy, it is assault. If a white guy beats up a black guy and uses a racial slur in the process, then it is a hate crime because apparently beating up a person because you are prejudice is more wrong than the doing it for other reasons.

    Many years ago when there was a lot of burning of African American churches in the south (early 1990s?), I found it odd that in response to outrage of the burned churches, the federal government made is a crime to burn churches under federal law. Apparently it was not good enough that arson was already a crime at the state level and woud be at the federal level for crimes committed across state lines.
     
  13. cracked butt

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    Yup, I know. Some people are more equal than others. :banghead:
     
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    cracked butt, fyi, not true, the first hate crime statute (from Wisconsin) before the Supremes was a black defendant and a white victim.:)

    BTW, I think such statutes are inane. If you want to take fighting racism into consideration, then just make racial motive a statutory aggravator at sentencing.
     
  16. HankB

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    Hate crime = thought crime, a truly Orwellian concept.

    In TX, some have pushed for "hate crime" legislation, claiming it's necessary because of the dragging death of James Byrd several years ago.

    Texas found, tried, and convicted the three perps of this horrible crime, properly sentencing two of them to death, one to life in prison with no parole.

    What more would thought crime legislation accomplish? :confused:
     
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    Complete falsehood.
     
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    Absolutely untrue.

    Also.. if you cant tell by now, I'm black and I find it terribly offensive for someone to imply that I'm part of a "protected group".
     
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    Nope.

    If the beating was motivated by the person's race, religion, etc.. then it's a hate crime.
     
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    I don't understand how "hate crime" ever made it into law - it clearly violates the "equal protection" clause of the 14th amendment. :barf:

    Why on Earth do some people think it is somehow more worng to harm some 'minority' because you don't like them versus harming someone because you want their Northface jacket, Nike sneakers, or boombox?

    Though I find it easier to understand violence based on bigotry, which is born of fear and ignorance, than greed and sloth (i.e. too lazy to work for stuff), I must state unequivically that neither is acceptable and both should be punished hashly. Wrong is wrong. To me, the only justifible violence is in self defence, defence of another, or to stop a violent felony.
     
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    That (expletive deleted) SHOT me!

    I surely do hope he didn't HATE me too. That would make the pain unbearable!

    Dunno, but from where I sit, any crime that involves violently injuring another human being is...well...a hate crime.
     
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    Ahhhh...if they only thought that way in Jasper Texas. :barf:

    From: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1912

    Everybody in America, for example, knows who James Byrd is, and that he was brutally murdered by three whites in Jasper Texas four years ago. Byrd's lynchers offered him a lift in their pickup truck, beat him and chained him and dragged him to his death. An entire nation was outraged and guilty. The President issued a statement, legislators wrung their hands and the media keened over the inhumanity of the act and what it portended for the country's future.

    Four years later - this year in fact - a white man named Ken Tillery, hitched a ride in Jasper, Texas. He was given a lift by four black men who then murdered him to a deafening national silence. Like Byrd, Tillery was held hostage and beaten. Then he was run over and crushed to death. The copycat nature of the crime made it a natural news story. But there was none, save a modest account in the Houston Chronicle, to which nobody paid any attention. This savagery was apparently nothing. The pigments were politically incorrect. It was only some white guy, whose ancestors probably owned slaves.
     
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    Six months in solitary confinement, no bread, no water would be cheaper.
     
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    Meplat, since we are all spreading the love around, another good comparison is tMatthew Sheppard to the almost completely unknown Jesse Dirkhising. Once a gain, a 'protected' or as I like to put it 'more equal' class of people get a free pass.
     
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