Have you ever accidently discharged in your house or apartment?

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I firmly believe with the proper precautions that it will not happen.
I apparently did not take the proper precautions but that being the case
does not equal it happening to everyone.
 
everybody will at some point

my last one was a doozy.
Thank God I had it pointed in a safe direction, I live in a nice neighborhood in Reno,NV... I hear other peoples ND's and they hear mine and no one bothers the police...they got lots of drunks to get off the road.:evil:
 
I firmly believe with the proper precautions that it will not happen.
I apparently did not take the proper precautions but that being the case
does not equal it happening to everyone.
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Agreed, some may be lucky and never have it happen to them. The key to your statement is "with proper precautions it will not happen" . That's true, but that's like saying if everyone obeys the rules of the road and good judgement there will never be a car crash. What are the odds on human beings performing perfectly every time without exception? People are human, no one is perfect and if you think you are, guess again. The unexpected happens. You may have good habits, you may be diligent, heck you may even be well-above-average in the rule following department. But eventually, everyone slips up - they are tired, distracted, relied on habit instead of conscious thought, even the mind plays tricks sometimes making you "see" an empty chamber where there's actually a round in there. No joke, it happens to people every day, and thinking you're above making that combination of errors is the first step in causing it to happen to you.

I applaud the posters in this thread for their candor, confession is good for the soul even if it is hard on the reputation. Their stories are a reminder that it can happen to the best of us. It's never happened to me, thank my lucky stars, but my day is coming no doubt. So is yours. And if you live your life in that attitude of humility, maybe, just maybe, you'll be one of the lucky few who prove the exception to the rule.
 
Fortunately....

ND....never
AD....never

But after reading all of these stories....I'm taking AlaskaEriks advice.

A little paranoia goes a long ways.

........................

Now for a story from 1980, visiting my former neigbor and friend who moved to FL, over spring break. I was 15 and he was 17. I was very happy to hang with his older friends. Consumed a lot of beer that week and came home with a tattoo.

Charlie was going into the Marines after graduation and we went out with his buddies to go "blasting", "jump the car" (literally) and shoot an alligator (which we never found). Loading up at the friends house, the friend says "Charlie, it's loaded now so don't screw around anymore". Not more than a minute later, Charlie picks up the .45 and takes aim at the bed (which I am sitting on) and says "Take this you ba$t@%d" and pulls the trigger.

After the very loud BANG, the next sound was a girl screeming histarically. The bullet had gone through the bed, the carpet and the plywood floor, but apparently hit a floor joist and stopped, as the ceiling below was not damaged. The friend's sister was freeking out in a major way, but was somehow sworn to secrecy.

The hole in the bed was ~3" from my hand!

How I survived adolesence is a wonder.....purely the Grace of God.
 
SSNVet:

You lost me - you wrote:
Loading up at the friends house, the friend says "Charlie, it's loaded now so don't screw around anymore". Not more than a minute later, Charlie picks up the .45 and takes aim at the bed (which I am sitting on) and says "Take this you ba$t@%d" and pulls the trigger.
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Your story isn't quite complete without explaining the reason Charlie pulled the trigger.

A. He didn't hear the person telling him it was loaded.
B. He didn't believe it was loaded, thought it was on safe, or for some other reason didn't believe it would fire if the trigger was pulled.
C. He just thought it would be "cool" to shoot a big hole in the bed and scare the bejezus out of you, with no concern for who or what might be downstairs.

We'd also like to hear about his immediate reaction:
A. Laugh like a jackass
B. "OMG guys, are you OK? I'm so frickin' sorry!"
C. "Yeah, whatever..."
 
I fired my Glock .40 (Hydroshock round) into a pair of $250 binoculars that were about 12" from my foot. I was impressed that the slug didn't exit the vinyl binocular case. It was 7 AM. I'd been up all night and was in a hurry.

Any pirates out there need a good deal on Swift 10X50 binoculars?
 
more detail requested in P.M.

FYI...this is a true story AND we were young and extremely stupid!!!

What exactly was going on in Charlie's mind, I can't really say for sure. My speculation was that he was excited about "playing" with the "toys" and either didn't hear or heard and quickly forgot the friends admonition that the .45 was now loaded. He thought he was dry firing the gun in play.

Immediate reactions...
White as a ghost, fearful expressions on all faces present.
Charlie's friend called him a couple of choice explatives and ran down stairs to his sister.
Charlie was extremely embarassed and shamed by the pure stupidity of the ND and apologized profusely.
I don't think I said anything at all.....just kind of sat there freeked out thinking "oh my ___.....I almost just lost my hand".

We covered our tracks by changing the linins on the bed and then went out to do more reckless and stupid things.

As I recall, the "freind" had a live hand grenade in his "collection". But fortunately we left that at home.

So goes the lives of rebelious teenagers without adequate parental supervision. In hind sight, I was a statistic waiting to happen, that somehow (God's grace) didn't happen.

I pray that my own kids (and I their father) do better.
 
Geeeez guys!! I can see it now how the anti-gun lobbyists are going to take things here in or out of context and eat us alive..............:uhoh:
 
I will admit I had a AD/ND today, I hit the wall in my bedroom.

I am not a 100% Sure how it discharged since I sure as heck didn't pull the trigger! it was a .40S&W Hi-Point, I was cycling the slide to test it for reliablity of feeding JHP's for home defense...

I was completely dumbfounded after it went off.

I yelled and cussed when it went off, my wife checked up on me to see what happened, she thought that my BB-Gun or Pellet rifle went off at first after realising her ears were ringing and asked me if I was ok, I did the same thing at the same time.

I don't know how to blame it on, my self for cycling the action or the Hi-Point pistol! anyway I feel really really stupid!

sorry for bumping this thread ;)
 
Well, if you don't mind i'll be bumping this thread once more.

I really would like to have some input...but I do realise it was 99% operator error...

I learned my lesson...
 
ND

I would not cycle ammunition to find out if it is going to cycle properly. It is not the same as a discharge caused cycle, there are more factors involved when the weapon is actually being fired.

There are also too many factors for me to positively diagnose a malfunction of the weapon. I could randomly suggest anything from a rock was in exactly the correct position, to the firing pin being stuck out. So I am afraid that you will not be able to gain insight into this particular problem from members of the forum. Simply too many possibilities.

Sorry

DCH
 
Ground Zero ~

No, if it fired when your finger was nowhere near the trigger, and if nothing important was destroyed because you had the muzzle pointed in a safe direction, it wasn't operator error. That's a mechanical failure, which is a truly accidental discharge.

Get that gun to the gunsmith, posthaste.

pax
 
Growing up as a child it was not uncommon when getting up early in the morning to find a coyote lurking near the chicken coop. Dad used to keep an Eddystone 30-.06 in the cab of a farm truck so it was handy if he stepped out and saw one.

I think I was about 5 years old, didnt know anything about guns except not to pull the trigger when it was loaded. One day I hopped in the and saw that gun. I was fascinated by it. The look, the feel, the smell. I opened the bolt and didnt see any bullets. I would open and close the bolt, flip the safety back and forth, pull the trigger, etc. What I didnt notice was that there were bullets down in the magazine.(didnt know what a magazine was at that age).
Eventually I opened the bolt far enough for a round to come up and closed the bolt and continued to fiddle, not knowing I now had a round chambered.

The windows were rolled up on that old 49 Chevy truck, the doors closed. When I touched that thing off I briefly thought that the world had come to an end. I jumped out and ran like hell, the only thing I could hear was my rasping breathing as I headed for the shelter belt to hide in the trees. It was 30 minutes before my ears began ringing, replacing the muffled numbness. They rang until I fell asleep that night.

Dad never said a thing. He had to know, the bullet barely missed the fuel tank behind the seat, punching a neat hole through the drivers side corner of the cab and a deep furrow in the steal frame around the bottom of the truck bed. Thirty years later I finally asked him why he hadnt tanned my hide over it. He turned white, he thought Grandpa had done it, had given him hell for years over it.

Can't blame Dad for it because I KNEW better, even at the age of 5.

I triple check my chamber before dry firing or storing a weapon.
 
No, I've never done it inside.

I did have a very cheaply made but NIB .25 semi-auto (can't remember brand) that AD'd on it's very first round. Dad had bought it for mom and we took it to the range to test it out.

I ran it through function checks as I'm used to with any weapon. Ensure it's unloaded and mag removed, cycled the slide, put the weapon on safe, pulled the trigger and it didn't fire. Undid the safety, pulled the trigger, weapon dry fired. Pulled slide back and locked it, inserted emtpy mag, dropped slide and weapon didn't fire. Just your usual order of checks.

Loaded up a mag, inserted it into the pistol, racked the slide with the weapon downrange, and when the slide went home, it fired. Wasn't exactly expecting that and was kinda glad it was a .25 and not a .45 or I would have probably filled my pants. I made the weapon safe, inspected everything again, field stripped it looking for something broken, but found nothing. Assembled the weapon, loaded the mag, loaded the weapon and had the same result.

Every time you put a loaded mag in this thing and sent the slide home it always went off, but only on the first round. It would function flawlessly after that first AD of the magazine.

Suggested to dad that we send it back for repair, dad did one better. Took it to work and cut it in half with a torch. But it's the only AD/ND I've ever experienced.
 
Have you ever accidently discharged in your house or apartment?
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NO.

I was in fear of my life, and /or others when I have discharged firearms in a structure / elswhere.

The first time I was not yet a teenager. I used MY nine shot High Standard Sentinel. That gun was waiting for me to be born, and I learned to shoot that gun starting near age 4.

Riots, front door brick- batted in...

That was around '68. I too this day do not ever remember hearing the shots I fired. I can smell the acrid Remington .22 ctg I fired, I can taste the coppery taste in my mouth from the blood as I type this. Not My blood...I also recall being told my groups - each could be covered by a "two bit" piece [ quarter].

Thankfully NO ADs, No NDs, and I hope to never again to fire for fear of my life or that of another in a serious situation against two legged varmits.

Sometimes I still get a chill relating that first time...just did again.

<shiver>
 
My first experience with guns was a hand-me-down bb pistol revolver shaped like a .357 Colt. What a beautiful gun, back when they made bb guns to look very real. Wish I still had that gun.

NG #1

Anyway, my grandmother was teaching me gun safety before handing it over to me for the first time. The whole family was gathered. Thinking the gun was unloaded she pointed it at the TV and pulled the trigger and "ping" a bb bounced off of the TV and ricochet off a few other things in the room. It was quite humourous.

NG#2
A few years later I had a Daisy BB gun when I was about 12. Thinking I had shot all of my bbs, I aimed it at the house window and pulled the trigger. BBs make the coolest hole is a pane of glass. I was in BIG trouble for that.


Anyone seen the video of the FBI agent that had a NG while TEACHING a class about gun safety. He shot himself in the foot. It can happen to anyone that is inattentive.
 
ND.

Yep, and only I knew I had one. Had my G19 at the range, and I like to let off just enough slack on the trigger after firing to reset the hammer, but not the safety.

I had paused, had the barrel pointed up off the target, started to reaquire the target and bang.

I did not want the pistol to fire, and no one watched would have seen the error, but I know what I did. Never again.
 
i have not had an ND or AD

well, except for the one or two times I fired a split second before meaning to at the range. those were instances of me trying to get myself to be "surprised" by the gun's discharge, and understandably led to several "surprising" discharges (i was practicing trigger and breath control).

HOWEVER

i saw a pretty scary ND last sunday at my range. some fat moron with a spas-12'd up mossberg has been blowing birdshot at MY target frame set at fifty yards because like a true idiot he had placed his own target out at about 100 yards. unhappy with the results of his first 30 shots, he had decided to simply switch over and start blasting my own personal target - my target which i had built personally, and paid for!

looking through my scope, i could actually see the impacts of the birdshot pellets, and so i turned around to ask the guy what the hell he was doing (btw, i am a pretty friendly range guy. this moron had, as a matter of fact, been borrowing my spooter scope between rounds... what nerve!).

he notices me looking at him with a grim demeanor, and lowers his shotgun. he's still looking back at me with an uncertain expression on his face and the shotgun is still moving downwards when.. BOOM.

he's surprised, looks at his gun like it did it all on his own (stupid finger on trigger behavior accounted for the ND), and pretends like it wasn't an ND.

the morons then proceed to haul out a plastic kid's giraffe and shoot at it with their rifles and shotguns from about, oh, two feet away. straight at it and down, into the rocks at their feet, about half a yard away from the concrete line. mind you, the ROs wouldn't let me zero in my scope at 25 yards, but either didn't see or choose to do anything about this behavior. one moron even stepped BEHIND the firing line by several feet to get a better shot at the point-blank giraffe.

i had been there for four hours, having a good time, but i finished my mauser's magazine, went up to the shack, reported that they had a group of morons who were sending up birdshot ricochets, and left.
 
Any time the gun goes bang when you don't want it to his an ND.
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That is the WORST definition of a ND I have ever heard. A ND is due to negligence on a shooters part, in other words the shooter does soemthing that a reasonably prudent shooter would not.

Sometimes there is a mechanical malfunction that causes the gun to go bang when the shooter didnt want it to. that is not a ND that is an AD.

I had an AD inside when i was about 14. I closed the bolt on an old remmington 22 single shot that i had shot lots previously. When i closed the bolt the gun discharged and took some tile off the concret floor. Scared the beejesus out of me.
 
Forgive me, THR, for I hav sinned. A long time ago, while practicing speedloading a Smith 586, I came up to point after loading and discarged a round in an apartment I once lived in. To this day I remember the sick feeling I got in my stomach. Still thank God that I was only using .38 ammo, not magnum loads. Also learned that day that plaster and shower tiles will actually stop a bullet. Still have the dummy rounds I got for speedloader practice, some 14 years later.
 
Yeah, I most definitly had that sick feeling...

God I felt like such an idiot...I don't know what i'm more upset about, not remembering if I DID touch the trigger or if it was truly a AD...:banghead:
 
GZ...

I would definitely get the gun in question thoroughly checked-out by a gunsmith. Not only will you likely get an answer to your question of whether or not it was an accident or negligence, you will also know whether or not the gun can be trusted in the future, if a defect is found and corrected.
 
Once there was a AD in my appt. It wasnt my fault, it was the fault of my two roommates. One roommate left his bolt action 8mm rifle loaded, but what he did was push the rounds down while he pushed the bolt forward, therefore not chambering a round. Roommate #2 comes along and starts playing with the rifle, he cycles the bolt and pulls the trigger. He did this without:
1. paying attention to where the rifle was pointed.
2. checking the chamber.

I was in the other room and heard an explosion. I came running in to see him shaking. I immediately thought he was hit or something, but then saw the hole in the wall. The bullet went through the wall, but failed to penetrate the brick wall of the neighbors house ( thank God it was a expanding hunting round). Seeing as no one was hurt, we simply thanked our lucky stars and patched the hole.

The saddest part of the story is, the guy playing with the rifle is in the military. At the time I trusted him whenever he would pick up a rifle.
 
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