General Geoff
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Far as I know, the only place in Vermont that's off limits is schools. Alaska might have bars off-limits too, but I'm not sure. Either case, not particularly restrictive.
Head to Head CCW comparison: Whose is best?
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In Florida, to the best of my recollection, the off limits places include:
Bars or Bar part of a resteraunt
Places of Nuisance - Nudie Bars, Pool Halls, etc.
Polling Places or any place that a body of government meets
Schools, Colleges
Sporting Events - Ball games, whether or not schoolastic or professional
Federal Property - Post Office, Military Base, Federal Bldgs., etc. as Florida has no venue on their property.
Municipal Gov't bldgs. - City Hall, county library, etc.
There is a law on the books about not being intoxicated in manual posession of a firearm.
Court Houses, Detention facilities.
License lasts 5 years, must attend CCW class, have DD 214, LEO Training, or Armed Guard License to receive.
That's all I remember, but they are kind enough to provide a copy of the firearms law on the application.
Bars or Bar part of a resteraunt
Places of Nuisance - Nudie Bars, Pool Halls, etc.
Polling Places or any place that a body of government meets
Schools, Colleges
Sporting Events - Ball games, whether or not schoolastic or professional
Federal Property - Post Office, Military Base, Federal Bldgs., etc. as Florida has no venue on their property.
Municipal Gov't bldgs. - City Hall, county library, etc.
There is a law on the books about not being intoxicated in manual posession of a firearm.
Court Houses, Detention facilities.
License lasts 5 years, must attend CCW class, have DD 214, LEO Training, or Armed Guard License to receive.
That's all I remember, but they are kind enough to provide a copy of the firearms law on the application.
Nevada's aright...
I haven't researched other states, but I know a lot of you can't carry in a bar... We can here in NV!!! We can ignore any signs to disarm except Schools and federal buildings. Not required to show a CCW to PO. And last but not least: no one here in Washoe Co. has even used their CCW in defense of themselves and been charged of a crime.
I haven't researched other states, but I know a lot of you can't carry in a bar... We can here in NV!!! We can ignore any signs to disarm except Schools and federal buildings. Not required to show a CCW to PO. And last but not least: no one here in Washoe Co. has even used their CCW in defense of themselves and been charged of a crime.
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This is one where California wins.
Ironically, my most frequent disarming situation is when I enter the Sheriff's office to renew the permit.
Ironically, my most frequent disarming situation is when I enter the Sheriff's office to renew the permit.
kd7nqb
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Oregon is not bad, they are slow in getting you your CHL but not bad once you have it. Utah and Florida are good for reciprocity. Personally I say get your states and then Utah and New Hampshire for reciprocity.
Texas is very good, standard restrictions that most places have. Not hard to get. 4 year license.
I agree with Sunray, the state restrictions are one thing, Federal is a different ball game. When I took the training, the instructor asked us to list all of the places Texas State Law did not allow us to carry. I think there were something like thirteen. Some people listed places like Post Office and Federal Buildings and military bases. They got these wrong because you can't carry there due to federal law, not state law. Be careful with that.
I agree with Sunray, the state restrictions are one thing, Federal is a different ball game. When I took the training, the instructor asked us to list all of the places Texas State Law did not allow us to carry. I think there were something like thirteen. Some people listed places like Post Office and Federal Buildings and military bases. They got these wrong because you can't carry there due to federal law, not state law. Be careful with that.
mljdeckard
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Yes, in Utah, you can carry in K-12 schools. (I did it just about every day.)
The statute for carrying while intoxicated is the same as driving. Bars and restaurants serving alcohol are ok.
Utah just got reciprocity with NV, the only glaring asterisk with that is, the city of Las Vegas requires your carry gun to be registered with the local PD. Last I counted, a Utah resident permit is honored in 37 states. (But when I travel, I always check with the AG.)
The statute for carrying while intoxicated is the same as driving. Bars and restaurants serving alcohol are ok.
Utah just got reciprocity with NV, the only glaring asterisk with that is, the city of Las Vegas requires your carry gun to be registered with the local PD. Last I counted, a Utah resident permit is honored in 37 states. (But when I travel, I always check with the AG.)
Schmidlin
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Ohio isnt to bad. Has the same common sense things added as most, includes a nice list of places you can not go.
My dad owns a business and the place he gets his work regulations posters from keep sending him those "no guns allowed" signs, he just sends them back and asks for a refund on those prints.
My dad owns a business and the place he gets his work regulations posters from keep sending him those "no guns allowed" signs, he just sends them back and asks for a refund on those prints.
Big45
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I asked that AK and VT not be included, since no ccw is necessary there.
Schools and bars are ok in RI.
Zundfolge
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Colorado is pretty good.
Off Limits:
Anywhere Federal law says is off limits (military bases, fed.gov buildings, etc).
Courthouses
Police stations
Public Schools
Anywhere you have to walk through a metal detector or are otherwise searched by security before you can enter.
So you can carry in a bar (and even have a drink ... just can't be "under the influence"), you can carry into the airport (just not past the metal detectors), you can carry in churches, hospitals, banks, and even businesses with "no guns" signs (you just have to leave if asked, but otherwise their stupid sign carries no legal weight).
Overall, pretty lenient.
Off Limits:
Anywhere Federal law says is off limits (military bases, fed.gov buildings, etc).
Courthouses
Police stations
Public Schools
Anywhere you have to walk through a metal detector or are otherwise searched by security before you can enter.
So you can carry in a bar (and even have a drink ... just can't be "under the influence"), you can carry into the airport (just not past the metal detectors), you can carry in churches, hospitals, banks, and even businesses with "no guns" signs (you just have to leave if asked, but otherwise their stupid sign carries no legal weight).
Overall, pretty lenient.
Big45
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Where can you carry in Florida?
Oregon's pretty good, think Idaho is about the same. None of the alchohol establishment restrictions.
Doesn't mean you can be a dumbass, but having a CCW while sipping a beer won't land you in the pokey in Oregon unles you get wildly irresponsible with both at the same time.
Doesn't mean you can be a dumbass, but having a CCW while sipping a beer won't land you in the pokey in Oregon unles you get wildly irresponsible with both at the same time.
WSM MAGNUM
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I have been comparing some states CCW laws, but not all of them. If you go
here http://carryconcealed.net/index.php and compare states, you would find that Utah is the least restrictive for residents and non-residents. This is an excellent site for CCW laws. I really like the Pack-n-GO Trip Planner section for when you are traveling, you can view the laws and whether you can go thru those states with your permit on one page. This is by far, the best website I`ve seen for CCW.
here http://carryconcealed.net/index.php and compare states, you would find that Utah is the least restrictive for residents and non-residents. This is an excellent site for CCW laws. I really like the Pack-n-GO Trip Planner section for when you are traveling, you can view the laws and whether you can go thru those states with your permit on one page. This is by far, the best website I`ve seen for CCW.
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scurtis_34471
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Florida is pretty good. We've got reciprosity with over 30 states and "No Guns" signs have no teeth. We can't carry in bars, but we can carry in restaurants that serve. We can't carry in court houses, schools, police stations, jails, the secure area of airports, places of public nuissance (i.e. brothel) or school/professional sporting events. Everywhere else is fine, including state parks and national forests. Obviously, Federal buildings and national parks are always off-limits.
Colorado is even better. "No Guns" signs work the same way they do in Florida (they can ask you to leave if they notice you are carrying). No public property or building is off-limits unless it has a secure entrance with a metal detector. Elementary and high schools are off-limits, but colleges are not. They also have reciprosity with about the same number of states, holding most reciprocal states in common with Florida.
NH is also very good. It has the best reciprosity of any New England state. The paperwork and cost are minimal and the restriction list is reasonably short. They also have open carry. The biggest bitch I have with New England is that there is no reciprosity between New England states. ME and NH are shall issue with low fees and VT doesn't require a license, so you can cover northern New England easily enough. MA and RI are a nightmare. CT is doable, but expensive.
Colorado is even better. "No Guns" signs work the same way they do in Florida (they can ask you to leave if they notice you are carrying). No public property or building is off-limits unless it has a secure entrance with a metal detector. Elementary and high schools are off-limits, but colleges are not. They also have reciprosity with about the same number of states, holding most reciprocal states in common with Florida.
NH is also very good. It has the best reciprosity of any New England state. The paperwork and cost are minimal and the restriction list is reasonably short. They also have open carry. The biggest bitch I have with New England is that there is no reciprosity between New England states. ME and NH are shall issue with low fees and VT doesn't require a license, so you can cover northern New England easily enough. MA and RI are a nightmare. CT is doable, but expensive.
MillCreek
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Oh, how I wish Oregon had a reciprocity agreement with Washington, or that Oregon was a little bit more friendly to issue permits to non-state residents.
Desk Jockey
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It's called "state's rights", and along with a few other constitutional concepts, has been largely ignored/forgotten/overruled in the past few decades. Do they not even mention that idea in schools any longer?
(back on topic...)
Zundfolge: Are you sure about 'police stations'? I don't recall seeing that in the state law, unless the station has permanent metal detectors installed at the doors. K-12 schools are specifically off-limits by law, but public universities can decide for themselves. (Univ of Co is off-limits; CSU is OK - but don't take my word for it!)
outdoorman63
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isnt a federal law no ccw on public transportation
scurtis_34471
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That info on Florida posted above is not entirely correct. Here is the actual list from the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services Licensing Division website:
Note that the sporting events restriction only applies to school or professional events. The local softball league is not off limits. Note also that all government meetings are off limits, but municipal buildings are not.
According to the Florida state code, places of nuissance include "house or place of prostitution, assignation, lewdness or place or building where games of chance are engaged in violation of law or any place where any law of the state is violated, shall be deemed guilty of maintaining a nuisance, and the building, erection, place, tent or booth and the furniture, fixtures and contents are declared a nuisance." That means that nudie bars and pool halls are not off limits for carry unless they fall under the prohibition against carrying in a bar.
The list is really quite redundant and looks worse than it is. It mostly boils down to:
All schools and colleges
School and professional sporting events
Courts, courtrooms, police stations and prisons
Government meetings and polling places
Bars
Airport terminals
Places prohibited by federal law
Brothels and illegal gambling establishments
How onerous is that? The only places I ever actually go where I have to disarm are my daughter's school, the airport and the post office. I go for years without setting foot in a court or police station. I vote once every couple years. I've been to maybe five restricted sporting events in my life. None of these things are a big deal to me, although I think most of them are stupid (especially the schools).
Note that the sporting events restriction only applies to school or professional events. The local softball league is not off limits. Note also that all government meetings are off limits, but municipal buildings are not.
According to the Florida state code, places of nuissance include "house or place of prostitution, assignation, lewdness or place or building where games of chance are engaged in violation of law or any place where any law of the state is violated, shall be deemed guilty of maintaining a nuisance, and the building, erection, place, tent or booth and the furniture, fixtures and contents are declared a nuisance." That means that nudie bars and pool halls are not off limits for carry unless they fall under the prohibition against carrying in a bar.
The list is really quite redundant and looks worse than it is. It mostly boils down to:
All schools and colleges
School and professional sporting events
Courts, courtrooms, police stations and prisons
Government meetings and polling places
Bars
Airport terminals
Places prohibited by federal law
Brothels and illegal gambling establishments
How onerous is that? The only places I ever actually go where I have to disarm are my daughter's school, the airport and the post office. I go for years without setting foot in a court or police station. I vote once every couple years. I've been to maybe five restricted sporting events in my life. None of these things are a big deal to me, although I think most of them are stupid (especially the schools).
Big45
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Looks like RI has CO and NH beat on schools. UT and OR are in the running. Still researching.
Elza
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I agree with cobrian45 with one exception: the cost! $140 is ridicules to say the least. I’ve always found it interesting that people can’t be charged a fee for their Constitutional rights (poll taxes and the like) EXCEPT our 2nd Amendment rights. Funny how that works…..
I agree with cobrian45 with one exception: the cost! $140 is ridicules to say the least. I’ve always found it interesting that people can’t be charged a fee for their Constitutional rights (poll taxes and the like) EXCEPT our 2nd Amendment rights. Funny how that works…..
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MA has no reciprocity,but non-res LTC's are easier to get than for most residents.I've never heard of anyone with another state's CCW permit being denied one.It's expensive and too short termed,but not difficult to get.
Regarding actual carry laws,MA is surprisingly good;so long as your CLEO is decent.
MillCreek
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Jeepmor, if I recall correctly, Washington is very easy issue to non-residents. Noting that you are in Portland, I would cross the bridge and go to the Clark County sheriff: http://www.co.clark.wa.us/sheriff/community/firearms.html
I know of several friends residing in Oregon who have gotten Washington permits without any difficulty. I am going to a Utah class next Monday, as a matter of fact, but even that will not allow me to carry in Oregon.
I am told that the sheriffs of only a very few Oregon counties will consider issuing a carry permit to Washingtonians, and most of them are in eastern Oregon. A few of my friends have tried in Multnomah County and were almost laughed out of the office.
I know of several friends residing in Oregon who have gotten Washington permits without any difficulty. I am going to a Utah class next Monday, as a matter of fact, but even that will not allow me to carry in Oregon.
I am told that the sheriffs of only a very few Oregon counties will consider issuing a carry permit to Washingtonians, and most of them are in eastern Oregon. A few of my friends have tried in Multnomah County and were almost laughed out of the office.
BlindJustice
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Wash. State - CCW
Washington State
COncealed Pistol License - C.P.L.
I applied for my C.P.L, last Sept.- I recieved it
30 Days later, I actually got it 4 days before it took
effect by date.
$ 25 for Five years
+$ 35 one time finger printing fee
No training/proficiency requirement
* You're not supposed to carry in a Bar
* No carry in a K-12 School Public or PRivate
Post-Secondary school - it is up to the
individual Institution. My shooting partner
is in charge of Business Rules Policies & Procedures
at WSU. At WSU, Students are not allowed to
carry concealed, if they bring a weapon and live in
University housing On-Campus they are required to
check the weapon at the Campus Police Dept. He noted
there is no restriction for STaff or faculty or even private
citizens who come on campus. A few years ago, the WSU
Attorney General, a woman tried to get this
changed and it nearly cost her her job. WSU is only 8 miles
from the Idaho border, and WHitman County besides this
college town is just a bunch of small towns in dry land wheat
and lentil country. Further on my shooting partner, he works
at WSU but llives in nearby Moscow ID.He has a CCW in ID but
WA State has no reciprical with Idaho. Idaho does recipricate
and I can carry in Idaho. He's looking into getting a CCW from
Nevada OUt of State non-residents can apply and get one from
Nevada.... then you're good for 11 of the 13 western states except
for ORegon & Calif.
I camped out at an annual event this past summer in NE Calif. As I arrived a friend walked up and asked where the big magnum hadgun was?
I told him it was A None of your business and B not in this state if
you knew anything about the law. He's been pushed down the
stack in terms of my opinion of him and his gun phobic ideas.
Washington State
COncealed Pistol License - C.P.L.
I applied for my C.P.L, last Sept.- I recieved it
30 Days later, I actually got it 4 days before it took
effect by date.
$ 25 for Five years
+$ 35 one time finger printing fee
No training/proficiency requirement
* You're not supposed to carry in a Bar
* No carry in a K-12 School Public or PRivate
Post-Secondary school - it is up to the
individual Institution. My shooting partner
is in charge of Business Rules Policies & Procedures
at WSU. At WSU, Students are not allowed to
carry concealed, if they bring a weapon and live in
University housing On-Campus they are required to
check the weapon at the Campus Police Dept. He noted
there is no restriction for STaff or faculty or even private
citizens who come on campus. A few years ago, the WSU
Attorney General, a woman tried to get this
changed and it nearly cost her her job. WSU is only 8 miles
from the Idaho border, and WHitman County besides this
college town is just a bunch of small towns in dry land wheat
and lentil country. Further on my shooting partner, he works
at WSU but llives in nearby Moscow ID.He has a CCW in ID but
WA State has no reciprical with Idaho. Idaho does recipricate
and I can carry in Idaho. He's looking into getting a CCW from
Nevada OUt of State non-residents can apply and get one from
Nevada.... then you're good for 11 of the 13 western states except
for ORegon & Calif.
I camped out at an annual event this past summer in NE Calif. As I arrived a friend walked up and asked where the big magnum hadgun was?
I told him it was A None of your business and B not in this state if
you knew anything about the law. He's been pushed down the
stack in terms of my opinion of him and his gun phobic ideas.
Baron357
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Getting a Non-Res permit in MA is shall-issue, the State Police handle it and if you are clean you are good to go. The major problem is it will cost you $100 a year.
For residents it all depends on where you live, my town is shall-issue, some are some are not. The only place off limits in MA is schools. There is no signage or posted laws either. Price is $100 for 6 years.
For residents it all depends on where you live, my town is shall-issue, some are some are not. The only place off limits in MA is schools. There is no signage or posted laws either. Price is $100 for 6 years.
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