Heating a Gun to Remove Lead Deposits?

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Folks,

Just a crackpot idea that came to me over at the revolver forum.

Would it work to heat a gun (minus wood & plastics) in an oven up to 200 degrees or 300 degrees in order to soften lead deposits to help in removal?

At these temps, there should be no danger to the metal/alloy tempering of the gun/barrel but might be enough to soften the lead.

This sort of follows the practice we do hereabouts to boresnake the barrel right after a shooting section in order to remove as much fouling/lead as possible while everything is still warm before everything sets.

Would this work?
 
I'd be very careful about heating up the springs, but there are a lot of people on this board well qualified to answer that one.
 
Take a look at this chart .........

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You can see that pure lead is way up for MP ..... at 621ºF .... as you add tin ... let's say you have shot some mix with about 11% tin ... maybe even some antimony ... but though MP will go lower ... maybe down to say 550º, this is still to me way more than I want to heat my gun to! Of course, springs etc all should be removed .. but the effort involved would I think be better used to employ a Lewis remover etc.

Altogether .... not something I'd even consider!:) :)
 
For hardened parts such as springs I wouldn't want to go above 400F . For an auto pistol you could remove the barrel but a revolver or rifle you can't. Also at 400 you might make changes in the lub such as oxidation. Best thing is to clean often, use better lub on bullets , harder bullets, lower velocity.
 
So it was just a crackpot idea.

Never considered the springs. Hmmm...

Will continue to use oven for stated purposes only.
 
I have heard of COOLING a gun to remove lead deposits. Theoretically lead contracts faster then steel so it should more or less work. And it should mess up the temper of your gun metal. Of course i dont find lead all THAT hard to clean the conventional way anyhow.
 
Don't!

There are easier ways to do it. BTW, during the Civil War a valuable Kerr Target (sharpshooter) rifle had a bullet in its bore. Rather than turn the gun over to the ordnance folks to clear it, the sharpshooter ignorantly tried to "melt" it out. He ruined the gun.

Enough said?
 
Just get a Choir Boy copper mesh pad, cut a strip of the mesh, wrap it around a loose fitting bore brush and scrub, the lead will come out of the barre and cylinder with no damage to the gun.
 
I tried something new and it worked well. I have a .357 and shooting wadcutters and LRN Blazer stuff. Lead fouling would be pretty bad after a plinking session.

Last time out I finished with 12 rounds of .38 special FMJ. Prior to shooting the FMJ the fouling was pretyy bad and it looked like it was was going to be a long cleaning session. I fired off my 12 and it helped remove a lot of lead deposits.

Any body else try this?
 
Ian ....... there is some controversy here ..... we don't all agree but .... IMO FMJ's after lead are NOT a good idea. Why?

Imagine the leading ..... acting as a fillet along ''cutting edges'' of grooves and lands ...... now to me that is an obstruction ..... and putting JMJ's thru a barrel with that deposit strikes me as asking for potential over pressure probs ...... I say potential cos hard to prove but to me, the theory stands up.

In a revo I'd not be so bothered I guess but in a 9mm semi for example .... then I'd say definitely not good ..... very high pressure round and personally ..... I'd not want to be shooting thru an obstruction, even if it is soft by comparison with the barrel and bullet's coopper jacket.

Just my 0.02 tho ...... nothing more.
 
For CWL, sorry for the thread hijack, to keep on topic no I wouldn't heat a gun to remove lead deposits.

P95, I see your point and I do agree about the increased pressures. Maybe the gun rags should address these types of issues instead of telling me what new gun or cartridge or caliber we need? In any other gun I would not have done this, but I did take into account that I was using .38's in a .357. I can see the prolonged results of doing this being excessive barrel and rifling wear.

Does anyone remember, or am I crazy? I vaguely remember a product that used a special plug and cartridges that you actally shot through the weapon to remove fouling. Anybody have a name or ever use it?
 
Leading

As a toolmaker, I would say you could probably heat a gun barrel to 200 degrees without damage, but it wouldn't help much with lead removal.

The Chore Boy pads work well, as well as the Kleenbore Lead Removal
cloth. The cloth requires a very tight fit in the bore to remove lead
quickly, though. A Lewis Lead Remover kit is the Cadillac.

As a long-time bullet caster, I can testify to the fact the general consensus of harder bullet, lower velocity is flawed. You can make a bullet TOO
hard, and it will lead much worse than even a swaged lead bullet.

Harder bullets are required for higher velocities only in that they need the
hardness in order to purchase the rifling and prevent skidding, which
destroys any hope of accuracy. Lead deposits don't come from friction.
They come from the high-pressure gasses flame cutting the bullet, and
getting past it in the bore. The result is much like a soldering operation,
and the higher the tin content, the more durable the solder, and the more stubborn it is to remove. As the deposit builds up, it slows the passing of the bullet, and gives the flame more time to melt the sides of the bullet.

A perfect example is that 234 grain bullets cast from wheelweight metal
lead badly in .45 ACP at 850 fps. Bullets cast from that same batch of alloy into 160 grain SWCs, and driven to 1300+fps in a .357 magnum
don't lead at all beyond a little lead wash, which comes out easily with
a brush and Hoppe's #9.

The higher pressures cause the base of the bullet to upset and seal
the bore tightly, preventing gas cutting, and leading isn't a problem.
By contrast, a soft, swaged lead bullet doesn't lead nearly as badly in
a low-pressure round like .45 and standard .38 Special loadings
because the softer metal upsets easier than the harder alloy.

Low pressure/low velocity loads would probably do fine with alloys
of 90/10 solder with no antimony, but the problem is that without
antimony present, the mold either wouldn't fill out properly, or it
would drop a bullet that was undersized...which would allow
flame cutting before it had time to seal the bore. Antimony has a
property that is like water. It expands as it solidifies. Straight
lead/tin doesn't, though the high tin content does aid in filling out
the mold. It needs at least 1% antimony to give the bullet that
final "swelling"...and in some guns with groove diameters that are
on the high side of tolerance, it may not be enough.

I have nearly eliminated leading in .45 ACP by using a home-brewed alloy
of 97% lead/2% tin/1% antimony by weight. It can get to be a little
expensive, though. The simplest way to get the antimony is to use
Lawrence brand #8 shot, which is 7% antimony, Dutch Boy 50/50
rope solder, and lead sheathing, which is about 99.5% pure lead.

Straight wheelweight alloy with a little tin added makes for accurate,
non-leading bullets for the magnum revolver cartridges, as long as they
are pushed hard.

Just a little info from a lifelong caster...

Tuner
 
Learnin'

Mighty welcome P95.

One thing that I learned many years ago is that a dime-sized
dollop of hot lead on your hand will make ya wish you were
somebody else for about 30 seconds.:banghead: :D

4 pounds wheelweight metal+5 pounds of #8 shot+1 pound
of 50/50 solder will make an alloy that will let you drive a
170-grain gas-checked bullet up to 2500 fps with no leading and
will shoot into 2 inches at a hundred yards in a .308 bolt-rifle. Flux well with paraffin, and keep the molds hot enough to drop a lightly frosted bullet. Let'em age for a week before sizing.

Happy castin'!

Tuner
 
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