Heavy .45 cal Pistol Bullets

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I am working on having Tom at Accurate Molds design me a wide flat nosed bullet for my ROA that will be for bigger or more dangerous critters, so penetration is important.

Kaido had Lee redesign their 255 grn FN 45 Colt bullet for use in the ROA, but I think I'd prefer a heavier bullet as in this role it will likely be a secondary weapon in case some tracking is in order for potentially large hogs or even black bears.

I don't want to take up too much powder capacity, though I do intend on eventually buying a Classic Ballistix cylinder or two. I see that for Mike Beliveau's testing of Kaido's bullet with a reduced (~16%) charge of 3F Triple 7 netted him 920 fps with 479 ft/lbs of energy. I don't believe a ROA needs any reduction of powder, and I might likely be using 3F Olde Eynsford anyway. Kaido's bullet measures 0.638" OAL. Judging by the similar bullet designs I'm thinking I can take up the room of the powder reduction by an additional 25 grns of lead giving me a 280 grn bullet. But I kinda think I'd want to get closer to 300 grns if bears may be trying to eat my leg off!

So would you go for a 280 grn projectile or reduce your charge for a 300 grn bullet? I'm trying to achieve 500 ft/lbs or more, and I'm concerned that dropping the charge for a 300 grn bullet would likely drop my velocity/energy too levels not good enough. But would the penetration levels exceed that of what that 280 grn bullet would likely do at 25 yds or less? I wish I understood where the threshold for performance lay.

I notice that you don't generally see any standard pressure 45 Colt loads using 300 grn bullets. Those I'm aware of are the hotter loads. I'd assume there's a good reason for that.

Out of curiosity are any of you with a Classic Ballistix cylinder or a Dragoon/Walker using heavy bullets to good effect?

To draw a clearer picture I'd likely be hunting with a .50 cal rifle with a PRB unless I was specifically hunting bears that I knew to average a good size in which I'd likely use a 320 grn REAL. I'd only use my pistol upon tracking.

So what say you?
 
A final consideration is that I may decide to use these bullets with sabots through my rifle. My current rifle has a 1:48" twist, and upon calculating the ideal bullet a ~255 grn bullet is the ideal length. I'd assume a 270 grn might work well enough, whereas maybe a 300 grn bullet would give a poor performance. I do, however, have the, one of these days, intentions of buying a dedicated rifle/barrel for hunting longer distances, which would likely have a 48" or faster twist.
 
Any input?

I'm leaning more towards a 270-280 grn weight as I'm more certain I'll get acceptable results. With a 300 grn bullet I'm possibly flirting with the edge of its capability.

I've also been contemplating giving the base a slight boattail in case I were to try sabots through a rifle. I was shown a link to heavy bullets designed in such a way.
 
Check out the Clements Custom Guns website; Dave Clements makes a 50 cal conversion on your ROA. I might consider carrying one of those if there were bears looking for me.

"Gun will shoot .490" round balls @ 1250 fps and a 250 gr. .488" dia. bullet @ 1150 fps using Hodgdon's Triple 7 powder."

I'm going to have him cut down a 7 1/2" SS ROA to make a 5 1/2" adj sight ROA. He comes highly recommended.

rockdoc
 
If $1200 wasn't such a big deal to me I'd be all over it, but it is.

I have thought about having him deepen my chambers and do a little work though, but the .50 cal conversion is just too pricey for me.
 
Well I would definitely like to see you test this 270 grain bullet design out. If you can come up with some decent ballistics I bet you could sell a mess of them. I know I would buy them and also you could sell your custom designed molds to those that cast their own.
 
The molds would be in the inventory at Accurate Molds for anyone wishing to purchase them.

I have a feeling they'll work fairly well at least at a moderate distance (25 yds). Maybe those with skills beyond mine that can do well much further might find them not as good out further, but who knows?

I think the 300 grn design might do well in a deepened/Classic Ballistix cylinder.
 
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