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Heavy/Hot .44 Mag Loads - Any Cheaper Commercial Alternatives?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Mike1234567, Aug 12, 2011.

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  1. Mike1234567

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    No reloading suggestions, please. I'm only looking for commericially available options at this time. Oh... and I did search.;)

    Are there any reliable/consistent commercially available .44 Mag cartridges that are more affordable then Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, Corbon, etc.?

    ETA #1: I'm simply wanting "options". For instance, if/when feral hogs grow to 400 pounds in my area (probably will happen) or if black bear migrate from the hill country down to my area then I'll want to carry a .44 Mag with something similar to the BB 340gr +P+. Why? Because I'm a sniveling coward!!:D I don't want a "big flash". I want the ability to kill a big bad boar or bear to save my skin. Oh... and I'm thinking those hot/heavy BB are probably really fun to blow stuff apart with.;)

    ETA #2: This is initially for a Taurus Raging Bull revolver but, in future, I'll be shopping for a lever action rifle and would "prefer" to not have to buy two types of ammo. I know the action of the rifle may limit overall bullet length but I do want the biggest baddest cartridge I can get for a reasonable price.
     
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    I'm not sure what you need a hot 44 mag load for. the available loads now are hot enough for anything that needs to be shot with a 44 mag
     
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    define "Hot"

    big/heavy/fast?

    Light/fast/loud/big flash?
     
  4. Mike1234567

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    Original post edited to define "what" and "why". Sorry for lack of clarity.
     
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    Dont underestimate the Winchester white box JHP and JSP. Pretty tough and proven, just seems they lost they're "cool" to the more expensive/newer brands out there.

    Plenty for hogs IMO.....never shot one though, so take that with a grain of salt.
     
  7. Mike1234567

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    Original post edited one last time. Those of you who replied, thank you, and please see "ETA #2".
     
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    Mike just buy the run of the mill 240gr SP or swc ammo. Thats fine for black bear and hogs. Just not did to be something for griz or moose. If the 240gr winny sp are in your market use them. I have killed some nice hogs up to 350lb with a 357 180gr hc and they work wonderfull.
     
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    I've always gotten good performance from the .44 Magnum Hornady 240 gr. and 300 gr. XTP JHPs.

    Very, very tough bullets and capable of finer accuracy than I'll ever be capable of.

    I have used the 240 gr. XTP on black bear before with exceptional results (staggered less than 20 feet and fell) and several deer. I always get a pass-through and the internals are absolutely destroyed.
     
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    Thanks for the suggestions so far, folks. I'd really like to keep the cost to well under $1 per round... 60 cents each or so. BUT... for significantly better performance I'm willing to raise my price to the $1 range.

    Cost is an issue because I like to stock up on ammo for any given caliber... at least 500 rounds of the good stuff and 500-1000 rounds of cheaper ball ammo. Again though, performance can't be significantly compromised.

    I'm concerned most about deep penetration through thick tough skin and dense bone. If the bullet expands too that's a plus.
     
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    You just do need to spend the money for a super duper ammo that is not needed for hogs and black bear. Just a waist of money AND haveing to deal with the extra recoil IF you need a fast up close second or third shot one handed. You did ask for advise and if not needed then but your BB or DT and forget Grizzy ammo brand for real serious stuff.
     
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    Just tried two new-to-me .44 Mag rounds at the range today. Fired in 5.5" Redhawk:

    1. PRVI Partizan 240gr JHP, $32.99 per 50 from Midway. Strong loads, accurate enough. A good candidate for woods hiking; nothing in the eastern US a CNS hit from these wouldn't stop.
    2. Sillman 240gr FMJ (new maker in North Carolina) retailed in Virginia Beach, so not sure if you can obtain them. $35.49 per 50. Really stout loads, accurate enough. If these were JHPs they could easily become my woods carry round.

    Both of these bang as loudly and kick as hard as anything I'd want to shoot. They'll do what I bought a .44 Magnum to do, no questions asked! I'll reload 240gr JHPs, but only for $ savings. There are hotter commercial loads, such as the Buffalo Bore, but I see no need for anything hotter than what I shot today.
     
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    Just about anything in 44 mag is more than enough for Texas Feral Hogs.. . The standard 240 gr HP and SP rounds by WW and Rem, Hornady, Speer are plenty bad enough..Stout enough to drop just about anything on the North American Continent.. Have you ever experienced a 300Gr + bullet loaded to max in a 44? That is a pretty stout load for most people to handle.. It is pretty punishing on BOTH ends... My observations are that anything shot with a 240 Gr 44 bullet is pretty much out of the game and DRT... (Dead Right There!) I have seen one shot stops on 375lbs Hogs with them out of a 4" Tube, and the shot placement was not ideal... Most Texas Feral Hogs are not that big... 200-250 is generally considered large.. however there was one taken near my place north of Nacogdoches a couple of years ago that was about 465... only one.. and everyone called it a freak deal.. He was taken with a rifle, I think they said a 30-30..

    Georgia Arms 300 Grain stuff I have heard good things about, it's just more than I need.. Maybe when/if I go after cape Buffalo I'll try it...
     
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    I'm learning a lot here, folks. Thank you. Maybe I don't need 300+ grain +P+ loads. I fully admit my ignorance. Frankly, I just like "overkill"... a LOT of overkill. I'm that way with most things though. I'd rather have 4x the killing power than 1.5x the killing power. It's not a paranoia issue... just an OCD thing.:D
     
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    OCD? Nah.

    When it comes to savin' their own hide, everyone wants the best and ther's nothin' wrong with that.

    Heck, a standard pressure .44 cal 300 gr. LFN (as driven from 5.5 inch barrel) to 900 fps will give you plenty of soft tissue penetration (~45") against hogs and the unexpected black bear and crush through heavy bone without a problem.

    I never saw the sense in beating oneself and one's gun to death trying to push a 300 gr. bullet to 1300+ fps when a 300 gr. HCSWC/LFN at 900 fps will do the job against most any imaginable threat.

    In the end, I think that most people tend to pursue raw power in such instances while forgetting that they may need a more manageable load for a second or third (or fourth? :what:) shot should the need arise.

    Since you aren't asking what 9mm ammo is the best option for bear defense :banghead:, I'd say that you have probably got a reasonable perspective to begin with.
     
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    Put it this way, I hunt deer and hogs with a 240gr commercial SWC over 10.0gr Unique for 1050-1100fps in sixguns and 1450fps from a 20" rifle. It's plenty potent, pleasant to shoot and I never recover a bullet.

    The heavyweights are fun to play with but really have limited application. It's just not necessary for deer and hogs. I'd use the 250gr Keith or 270gr Gold Dot for anything up to elk and wouldn't go to a 300gr unless moose hunting.
     
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    That sounds like a very pleasant and controllable load indeed. Still offers in excess of 40 inches of penetration, too. Nice balance. :)
     
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    I have done a bit of testing with the Winchester 240 grain White Box JSP. The bullet is tough and for the price is a very good choice.
     
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    The lowest cost heavyweight loads I have seen are the HSM 305 grain hardcast in 44 Magnum. They also load a 300 grain Speer Unicore bullet in 44 Magnum. I saw them at The Sportmans Warehouse. I see them available on line at The Hunting Shack. I have never shot the HSM loads but next time I see them at a good price I may test some out.
     
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    For hogs and black bear you really don't wany hard cast bullets . There not that tough and animal and this HC bullet just bore a small hole through. Use some thing that will expand and most any heavier mild hp or mild weight sp load works great and most likely my still pass through with way more tissue damage.
     
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    Thanks for all the replies so far, folks. What vexes me about the lighter low velocity loads, e.g. 240gr at 1100fps, is that those aren't that much more potent than good .45 ACP 230gr +P loads. Is the .44 Mag just far too much overkill?
     
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    Remember that a 230 gr. .451" bullet does not have the sectional density of a 240 gr. .429" bullet. (Shorter, fatter -vs.- longer, thinner) Not a whole lot of difference, but some, which increases penetration. Combine that with a couple hundred fps velocity boost, and the .44 is a better performing hunting round.

    Really, though, everything is relative. A 230 gr. .45ACP +P is at the very top of its range.

    At a 240 gr. bullet at 1,100, a .44 Mag is rather at the bottom of its range.

    Under hunting conditions, "too much overkill" is sort of a non-issue. (Not worrying about over-penetration in a neighborhood or whatever.) Hunting a semi-aggressive, close-range animal like a hog, you might want to make sure you can handle quick follow-up shots, but with practice, even the big boomers aren't exactly hard to shoot fast.

    We run "magnum" side matches sometimes and I shoot my 300 gr. 1,250 fps handloads out of my 4" 629. "Bill drills," weak-hand-only, etc. are a handful, but there's nothing horrible about them -- just use good technique and expect a minor decrease in split times.

    Pick a solid load (lots of good recommendations here) and practice with it until you know you can make hits quickly, and repeated hits quickly, under real conditions.
     
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