Help me find the ultimate rifles

[The Viking]

Explanation in this thread
Now, I need rifles too...since I intend to apply for licenses for hunting weapons, there are some stupid rules...the rifles can't be military style, so AR-15's, and probably M1A's are out of the question. Now, .223 are the optimal, since that's what the army use. Anyone have a suggestion for a semi automatic .223/5.56 caliber rifle?
Also, any suggestions on a .308 semi automatic rifle? Detachable mags for both is something obvious.
(Since there are limits to the number of rounds the magasine can hold while hunting, small capacity (max 5 rounds) needs to be available).

 

[itgoesboom]

When you say it can't be military style, is that due to magazine restrictions, or no pistol grips, or no detachable magazines? What exactly is restricted?

.308 or .223 would work very well for you, honestly in any rioting situation, you fire one or two shots into the rioters and they are going to scatter anyways....

After I know more about the restrictions, I will be able to recommend a specific rifle.

I.G.B.

 

[The Viking]

When you say it can't be military style, is that due to magazine restrictions, or no pistol grips, or no detachable magazines? What exactly is restricted?

.308 or .223 would work very well for you, honestly in any rioting situation, you fire one or two shots into the rioters and they are going to scatter anyways....

After I know more about the restrictions, I will be able to recommend a specific rifle.

I.G.B.

Can look like a modern (model made after 1942) assault rifle, so the AR-15 is almost definetly out of the question(excemptions have been made, due to lack of knowledge about firearms from the departments), but the Mini-14 is OK. Magazine restrictions only applies when you are hunting, there are different restrictions for every animal, but maximum is five I believe. If you are at the range, you can use a Beta C-Mag if you feel like it (if they were available to the rifles you are permitted to use here). Got any wiser? Oh, and pistolgrips are OK I believe...as long as the rifles does not come with one. You could use a tricked out Mini-14, and be legal...yes, the laws doesn't make much sense...
:banghead:

 

[pbhome71]

It would help if you can let us know what is available.

It sounds almost like you are in California. If Keltec is available, you may want to take a look at it. I am getting one, when I have the money.


-Pat

 

[pbhome71]

BTW, H&K makes some very nice semi- in both .223, and .308. I'm not talking about the modern military looking one, but ones that made for hunting.

The only drawback is the megazine limit to only 3 routds, I think.

 

[The Viking]

BTW, H&K makes some very nice semi- in both .223, and .308. I'm not talking about the modern military looking one, but ones that made for hunting.

The only drawback is the megazine limit to only 3 routds, I think.

I recall seeing something...have to look it up

 

[mikec]

Here is a link to the HK rifles I remember from the '80's-early '90's.

Are they still available in Sweden?

 

[The Viking]

Here is a link to the HK rifles I remember from the '80's-early '90's.

Are they still available in Sweden?

Dont know, but I remember seeing them on the list of semi automatics approved for hunting. Of course, there is always a small possibility to get an AR-15, or something similar. The name is probably the biggest issue, since they can look it up, or probably have a list written down somewhere...but I have to check up on the laws and recommendations again.

 

[itgoesboom]

That really does put a limit on what you can get, now doesn't it?

Sounds like the HK 91/91/94, FN FAL/FNC, AK47/74/M/S, AR-15/M4 rifles are all out.

You said that the M1A isn't allowed even though it doesn't have a pistol grip, is that because it is a Military rifle designed after 1942?

So with those limitations in mind, here are a few semi auto, pump and lever action rifles:

1. M1 Garand .30-06

2. KelTec SU-16 5.56 Nato

3. Mini-14/Mini-30 5.56 Nato / 7.62x39

4. M1 Carbine .30 Carbine (Designed in 1941, don't know if you can have these).

5. HK SL8 5.56 Nato (link http://www.hkpro.com/sl8.htm )

6. Remington 7615 5.56 Nato (This is a pump action, but will accept any AR-15 magazine, and operates just like the Rem 870 pump shotgun, would be a great pair together).

7. Marlin/Winchester Lever Action .30/30 or .357mag or .44mag.

8. Ruger PC-9/4 9mm/.40S&W

9. Ruger Deerfield Carbine .44mag.

To be honest with you, any of these rifles would be fine in most any Riot/SHTF scenerio.

I.G.B.

 

[berettashotgun]

remington 7400 rifle or carbine in 308, mini is the only "viabale" choice in .223 with the restrictions you have provided. Note to self~check if browning BAR's are chambered in those 2 calibers.

 

[The Viking]

That really does put a limit on what you can get, now doesn't it?

Sounds like the HK 91/91/94, FN FAL/FNC, AK47/74/M/S, AR-15/M4 rifles are all out.

Well, sort of. There are people who use AR-15 for hunting, but that is totally dependent on the person handling the applications. Things get through sometimes, but AK's would probably be the hardest to get. FN FAL...well...Fabrique Nationale Fusil Automatiqe Liege sounds a little better than FN FAL eh? Gotta try that on the application

You said that the M1A isn't allowed even though it doesn't have a pistol grip, is that because it is a Military rifle designed after 1942?

This seems tricky, and I simply ASSUME it's not allowed, but I might be wrong. After all, it looks quite PC. (That the main key to it: PC-looking )

So with those limitations in mind, here are a few semi auto, pump and lever action rifles:

1. M1 Garand .30-06

2. KelTec SU-16 5.56 Nato

3. Mini-14/Mini-30 5.56 Nato / 7.62x39

4. M1 Carbine .30 Carbine (Designed in 1941, don't know if you can have these).

5. HK SL8 5.56 Nato (link http://www.hkpro.com/sl8.htm )

6. Remington 7615 5.56 Nato (This is a pump action, but will accept any AR-15 magazine, and operates just like the Rem 870 pump shotgun, would be a great pair together).

7. Marlin/Winchester Lever Action .30/30 or .357mag or .44mag.

8. Ruger PC-9/4 9mm/.40S&W

9. Ruger Deerfield Carbine .44mag.

To be honest with you, any of these rifles would be fine in most any Riot/SHTF scenerio.

I.G.B.

None of these would be any problems, except for maybe the SL-8...but I could give it a try . If anything else fails, try again, and motivate it somehow.
Thanks BTW
Regarding the Mini-30: Might be hard to find 7.62x39 ammo though.

 

[orangeninja]

I can't believe someone hasn't suggested it already............


The Browning BAR of course.

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=002B&cat_id=031&type_id=008

Though you may have to settle for 30-06 or .308. I don't think the military will let you use any of their ammo anyway.

BTW..these rifles rock from what I've been told.

 

[Skofnung]

You could do much worse than a M1 Garand. Were I in your shoes, that would be my pick.

I've never hunted in your country, but isn't .223 a little light for most of the beasties you have up there? Beasts such as reindeer, moose, bear, ect???

 

[The Viking]

I can't believe someone hasn't suggested it already............


The Browning BAR of course.

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=002B&cat_id=031&type_id=008

Though you may have to settle for 30-06 or .308. I don't think the military will let you use any of their ammo anyway.

BTW..these rifles rock from what I've been told.

They sure look nice...but the capacity were a little low...are the magazines detachable? And is anyone making hicaps for the BAR?

No, but I'm going to call on monday and ask about possibility of joining...and nicking stuff while you are in the armed forces is considered a national sport here...a guy at my job told me about a guy he was with, who walked away with two cases of .308, á 800 rounds per case , but being serious, if the SHTF really bad, I simply hope to scrounge if I run out...OTO, I'm looking for a .308 caliber rifle too...need one for moose, and one for deer. And a shotgun and a .22. (you are in practice limited to four longarms anyway )

 

[The Viking]

You could do much worse than a M1 Garand. Were I in your shoes, that would be my pick.

I've never hunted in your country, but isn't .223 a little light for most of the beasties you have up there? Beasts such as reindeer, moose, bear, ect???

Yeah, I've considered one too. They sure are a piece of history BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM Ping!
And yes, .223 is a class 2 caliber, (deer and such, except if yer shooting animals at a maximum distance of 30 meters, and thus, that only happens if the animals are fenced in, for later release). .308 and 6,5x55 is probably the most popular big game cartridges here. (Class 1) Lots of old m/96 Mausers serve hunters well here, but a possible leadban may stop that Bloody Green Party. Mumblemumble.
BTW, AFAIK you don't hunt reindeer, since all reindeers are livestock.