Help me not hate my new PA-63

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Picked up my PA-63 the other day from SOG. Excellent condition, looks brand new and unissued. Brought it to the range today. Man is the recoil snappy, and the trigger in DA is atrociously laughably bad.

Spring changes? What do I get to fix this up?
 
Oh man I hate telling folks what I do to these things to make them tolerable... lest I get cussed cause it didn't work for someone else.

Anyhow, when the firearm is emptied and safe- I take off the grips and push out the pin that holds the little round plug in the bottom of the grip frame. I then pulls out the plug and spring. I then push out the hammer pin and remove the hammer and guide arm. I use a stone to polish any rough edges or corner on the curved guide arm, oil it and put it back in. Then, I cut a coil off of the spring. No more than one complete coil at a time, and I don't think I have ever cut off more than three (mostly just two). And finally, I cut a piece of 3/16" (I THINK) drill rod that is as long as the hammer is wide, cold blue it, knock off rough edges, and gorilla glue it or solder it into the round hole in the hammer. The reason for that is because the hammer is light and needs the spring power/momentum to generate enough oomph to strike the firing pin hard enough to ensure a good primer strike. If you take power and weight off of the spring- then the hammer ends up with less momentum. Adding the little bit of drill rod gives the hammer more weight to tranfer to power as it swings along it's arch.

I don't know what to do about the perceived recoil- replacement recoil springs may be available- just dont try to stretch the one you have.
 
Better yet, order a new lighter hammer spring, and a much heavier recoil spring. That softens the recoil a lot, and makes the trigger pull very good. My pA 63 has much better trigger and no more recoil than my Sig 232 SL.The PA 63 has a 24# hammer spring and a 11 # recoil spring. Go to Wolf gunsprings and order a light hammer spring and the heaviest recoil spring listed for a Walther PP. I am not close to my shop records, these numbers are from memory and may not be exact, but you get my drift. This pistol is almost an exact copy of the Walther PP. The feed ramp is intended for ball ammo, but the throat of the barrel can be modified like we used ton the old military Colt Govt pistols, after this mod, the pistol will chamber hollow point ammo without failure. The PA 63 can be turned into your favorite small caliber carry pistol.:cool:
 
The PA 63 can be turned into your favorite small caliber carry pistol.

Thanks for the advice on the springs. I'll order some. At the same time I bought the PA-63, I also bought a Bulgy Makarov. The Mak has a better trigger, larger capacity magazines, and is just as thin. If I was going to carry one of them, I'd carry the Mak.

The Mak sure is ugly compared to the PA-63 though. Lol.
 
Most all 9x18 blow back, fixed barrel design pistols are snappy in recoil. That's just the nature of the beast. They are great CCW but terrible range toys! I got an ugly wife, but she sure can cook and keep house. The kids turn out ok ....lol.
 
My cz-82 is pretty comfortable at the range. :neener: So was the Makarov for that matter. The PA-63, though, was just punishing.
 
Haycreek got it right. I did the same thing. Pleasurable to shoot now. Mine is very reliable.
 
Come to think of it I totally forgot about the CZ 82. That is a great shooting pistol, you are right. Heck of a deal for the money too. I just wish that they had not painted them black. The guys hate it when I shoot my Mak. It throws those steel casings all over the place and they hurt when they hit you they are moving so fast.
 
CZ-82's are one of the best deals out there. I agree completely. Mine has never failed me, and has a fantastic trigger. It makes the trigger of my Sig 226 look bad in comparison.

My Makarov surprised me today. I wasn't expecting much of it, for whatever reason, but the trigger is actually pretty nice, even in DA, and it soaked up recoil MUCH better than the PA-63.

Took the step-son with me to the range today. He liked the Mak and hated the PA-63. :eek:
 
Those Commie Block pistols are a great deal for the money. I do believe a Mak can shoot a turd if you could get in into the barrel and put a primer in it. I know I have never seen one fail. I wish Kimber would take some lesson from them how to build a gun........Stoner did with the free floater firing pin in the AR 15. It is real simple less parts equal less chance of failure.

My rule is if it doesn't rattle when I shake it, I don't trust it to shoot it. All of my Glocks rattled out of the box and have yet to fail. Now for accuracy just take a peek here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFd3kF6LHz4
 
I put the strongest recoil spring Wolff had in my PA-63, and the 13-pound hammer spring. It's now my favorite pistol. Great trigger, and it's absolutely comfortable to shoot. I've put over a hundred rounds through it since changing the spring, and there's no sign of wear. The Makarov-style guns should all be refitted with Wolff's strongest spring. That will fix any recoil discomfort.
 
Hoage handall, does wonders, you can use bicycle tire and good rubber cement to build a comfortable grip, every little bit helps.
 
+1 On the Wolff springs (http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?page=items&cID=1&mID=20), then add a new pair of pants (http://www.marschalgrips.com/fegpa63/fegpa63.html).
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I cut and pasted this info from when I first got mine. Great info and mine is quite a shooter now. 100% reliable and the new springs make a world of difference. All for under $300.


An extra magazine is $12.95, and I recommend getting two for $25.90, so you have a total of three.

http://www.southernohiogun.com/magazine-for-pa63-9x18cal.html

The spring kit comes from Wolff Gun Springs. I recommend getting both the recoil calibration pack SKU # 12310 for $18.79 and the hammer spring calibration kit SKU 32799 for $9.00. Total is about $32.00 with shipping but you can really tune this gun to your ammunition.

http://www.gunsprings.com/Semi-Auto Pistols/FEG/PA-63/cID1/mID20/dID103

How to adjust and replace the springs.. free tutorial... and easy to do. Took me 5 minutes to change the recoils spring and hammer spring. You do NOT need to change the firing pin spring unless it is an issue and 99.5% of the time it is not.

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?30800-Changing-Pa-63-Springs


FEG PA63 with Marschal grips

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Don't hate it!

If you grip the PA-63 incorrectly, the beavertail ends up biting your hand worse than the hammer. Take your time finding the proper grip on it.

Wolf springs make a big difference for the trigger pull, and the SA pull can be truly excellent. Don't throw in the towel on it.

The PA-63 makes a great carry gun because:
1. It's a lot lighter than a Makarov
2. It has a passive firing pin safety. It's completely safe to carry round chambered, hammer down and safety off.
3. The steel slide is slightly longer, and the aluminum handle is slightly shorter and a lot lighter. This makes it stay in a holster better, even without a perfect gunbelt. This is one of those guns, like the Browning HP or full length 1911, that you can just stick in a waistband on occasion.
4. It has a magazine eject button.
 
Went through the same thing with a Radom P64. Snappy ain't the word! Springs fixed the DA pull, Marschal grips helped the felt recoil. I love the thing, now. It's VERY accurate, amazingly so, and so cheap to shoot! I like it as a range toy, but it is a bit taxing after 100 rounds. Can shoot my .357s a lot longer. :D
 
My PA-63 is probably my favorite gun now that it's been respringed. However, I DO need to paint the front sight. I've got some sight paint on the way. Hopefully it's better than the last garbage I bought. Never buy from brightsights.com. I could have painted the sights with unsealed acrylic model paint and had them turn out better and last longer than that garbage.
 
Help me not hate my new PA-63

Well, it's not a Bersa? Hope that helps.

The backstrap on these guns is quite narrow and that doesn't help with recoil either. However they are underrated guns for the most part.

They make a decent carry piece for someone on a tight budget.
 
Well, it's not a Bersa? Hope that helps.

The backstrap on these guns is quite narrow and that doesn't help with recoil either. However they are underrated guns for the most part.

They make a decent carry piece for someone on a tight budget.

Hey, I have a Bersa Thunder, and it's a sweet shooting gun with a nice trigger. No complaints there.

No part of the PA-63 "bit" me. It's just overly snappy. I'll post up once I re-spring it.

Other than the fact the PA-63 is prettier, I can't imagine why I'd carry it instead of my much nicer shooting Makarov if I were going to carry one of them.
 
When I had mine, I also changed out the springs which helped out a lot. It has been some time ago, but I thought I read somewhere you weren't supposed to use the "heavier" bullets because of the aluminum frame. I also had some problems with Atlanta Arms ammo jamming up the gun. I only got rid of the gun because of "caliber" consolidation.
 
Glad I saw this thread, thanks guys!

I ordered a set of springs and a set of grips for mine yesterday.
 
If it's not biting you anywhere, then I think you'll be pleased with the Wolff spring. I can shoot this gun all day, 1 or 2 handed.

BTW, just a tip for you. If you like to dryfire your guns, you might want to buy a replacement trigger return spring. If the trigger return spring breaks, this gun is a paper weight. And the spring is an odd one that can't easily be fabricated at home, esp if you don't have a good one to copy. You can get them at buymilsurp, but you have to look under one of the models in another caliber to find them in stock.
 
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I installed the Wolff springs today and you guys were right; it is a huge difference on trigger pull. I am impressed; thanks!
 
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