Help me pick a lever action

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It will be my only lever action and I have never shot one before. I want one just for fun shooting steel at varying distances - all less than 100 yards. I am not a hunter and even if I ever got back into it, I already have a .308 for that. I would prefer to get one in a caliber that I reload - .357 mag., .44 mag, or 45 Colt. Side gate. I would rather not get a .22 - I want to feel something :). My questions are which caliber, what length, and what brand?

Just came from a large gun show and must have looked at 50 or so lever actions. There was a grand total of 3 in .45 Colt, 1 in .357, and 1 in .44. Most were 30-30 or .32. So it's obvious what I am wanting is not very popular.

Any recommendations are appreciated. Plus factors that I may not be aware of. Doesn't need to have much historical value because I just can't afford those.

Thanks
 
Stefan A said "So it's obvious what I am wanting is not very popular."

It may just be the opposite. What the OP is looking for may be very popular and are sold almost immediately when they become available. Therefore, there aren't many available for sale.

Like the OP, I've been thinking about a pistol cartridge lever action. I don't hunt and would only use it as a sub 100 yard range gun. Since I load and cast bullets for 357 magnum, that would be my choice for the cartridge.

I'm undecided as far as to the model. The obvious choices would be a Model 92, or Model 73, or Marlin Model 94, or a side gate Henry. I'd have to see and handle the individual rile before making my choice.
 
A lever action in 357 is very versatile. Mild .38 Specials have little or no recoil and a full power .357 gains velocity over a revolver. I would only recommend a .44 Magnum if you wanted to hunt larger animals with it.

I really like the 1873. Marlins can be good or bad. The 1892 Rossi is less expensive but often needs work.
 
They are VERY popular and sell quickly, when they come up.

Browning 92 BLR is 1st class and very hard to find.
Henry and Marlins will fill your niche.
Marlin are rare and expensive. Henry can be found in your calibers.
Winchester 92 are nice, but hard to find. the 73 is going to be in older calibers.
Rossi is going to be the easiest to find and in your selected calibers. They are good shooters, too.
Uberti 1873 is a slick action.

When you find one, jump quick. It won't last long.
 
My immediate choice is the Marlin 1894, I appreciate the .45 colt chambering for its versatile applications. But, these days just for a plinker and being a reloader for .357 currently, you may be best served with a Uberti copy of the 1873 Winchester, a Henry or some other copies of American rifles in that .357 . Smaller powder charge, bit less lead to source, and still way fun. Good luck looking.
 
For me it’s go big or go home. 45 Colt is the way to go. If you want to go small, .357 might be a choice. Not saying it’s not a good one, just 45 might be better. Like drinking bud light or a Flower Power. Bud light might get you there, but a Flower Power will get you there faster and more enjoyable.
 
The marlin 1894 is perfect and not matched by others. I would avoid microgrove... Ballard is the way to go. The cowboy versions have that sexy octagon barrel but have a slower twist that doesn't love over 158s.
 
I have a 1894c Marlin 38/357.
It is a great camp gun and range gun.
It would be great small game rifle with mild handle ads.
I like my Marlin, but I would look at Henry rifles before I put in my order. They are smooth action and generally have nice wood.
 
Marlin everyday, and twice on Sunday... but that's me. My brother has a Winchester Trapper in .45 Colt that is a jewel, so in all honesty, Marlins aren't the end-all... but they are easier to clean. ;)

Although I respect AJC's opinion, occasionally he gets it wrong... (just kidding!) Marlin MicroGrooves are no different than any other barrel, but might require a little attention to detail if you are handloading cast. Also... The Marlin 1894 I had, in .45 Colt, had terribly slow 1:38 rifling... I could not get heavy bullets to stabilize at the lower velocities I was trying to shoot them at, which may or may not be important to you. I do agree, though, if you have the choice of a non-MicroGroove, and it checks all your boxes... get it. The 'Cowboy' and 'LTD' versions of the Marlins are very nice, but can be quite costly.

I am not familiar with the Henry levers, nor many of the imported clones. I'm sure they are excellent as well, in most cases. I like that Henry is made in America, and people that have them seem to really like them.

As far as chambering... I like .45 Colt, but any of the 3 you are considering would work well. If you load more .44, I'd pick that. Be aware, also, that some .44 rifles will have a different bore diameter than some pistols... so you may have to tackle that, and particularly if you are loading cast.
 
Henry. I have two: Big Boy Classic[brass frame, octagon 20" barrel] in .357 and Big Boy steel in .45 Colt, also in 20" barrel. Great wood stocks and as accurate as heck.
These are not side gates, but, these are available when found. These Henry's are damn nice. Give 'em a look.
Edit: Henry in .45 Colt has the 1:16 twist. Works!
 
Henry. I have two: Big Boy Classic[brass frame, octagon 20" barrel] in .357 and Big Boy steel in .45 Colt, also in 20" barrel. Great wood stocks and as accurate as heck.
These are not side gates, but, these are available when found. These Henry's are damn nice. Give 'em a look.
Edit: Henry in .45 Colt has the 1:16 twist. Works!
Which one do you enjoy more for plinking? Which one has more recoil?
 
My only centrefires are a 223 rem and a 44mag for all my hunting. Before the 44 I had a 357 mag for hunting. I spent quite a bit of time looking at different lever action options over the years. I dont use bottleneck cartridges in lever actions, including the 30-30 so can only offer my opinons on the pistol sized cases in the current common options.

1892 actions are the smallest, lightest and also possiby strongest pistol cal lever actions. They come in originals and repro's like Rossi, Chiappa, Winchester/Miroku and Browning 92. Regards the repro's mentioned that is also the order of their ascending price and rarity. My guns were all Rossi 92's. Its the cheapest but possibly strongest of all the 92's and with some after market care and polishing perform as smoothly as anything.

1873 actions. This is an older action design, inherently weaker but arguably considerd more stylish, as they won the west, They come in originals and modern repros like uberti's, winchester/Miroku which tend to be pricey. The action was designed for low powered rounds, however uberti has loaded 357 and 44 mag in them for years. They havent blown any actions up but some believe over time the increased pressure of magnum rounds can effect the headspace of these guns. The 1873 actions are considered the favorite of the cowboy action shooters as they can be modified with 'short stroke kits' to reduce lever travel for fast action shooting. Note this modification weakens the action from high pressure or hunting loads.

1894 action. Good, simple, almost as strong( or arguably as strong) as modern 1892 repros. When Remington took over this action a few years back they had quality issues but not sure how they are now. For a while the catch cry was to 'get a JM stamped Marlin' which is the older better made models. The advantage over the other two types above is they are side eject meaning you can mount a scope in the normal position if you wish.

For 1892 and 1873 actions which are top eject, the scope has to be mouned forward of the ejection port in the 'scout position' which requires a long eye relief scope.

henry actions, no interest for me as no side loading gate.

Main Calibre choices.

357mag, great all rounder, with 38 special ammo( or 357 loaded down to 38 special recoil and noise is low, good gun for plinking or kids). 357 kills above its weight division, its good for big hogs and deer with the right bullets.
44mag. The 357's big brother. Similar comments apply but it has more power. Can also fire the shorter 44 special ammo in it for plinking or low power options.
44-40. Older calibre, in original loads and guns its low powered, in a modern repro and loads its comparable to 44 mag
45 colt. Same comments as for 44-40, old slow round but can be stepped up to high power loadings in modern guns.

There are several other pistol cases in levers, 32-20, 38-40, 454 casull, 480 ruger etc but they are rarer and I have no experience with them.

Some notes. While lever actions like the 357 and 44 mag can fire their shorter older cousins the 38 special and 44 special, whether they cycle through the magazine is a different story. Lever actions can be cartridge length dependant. Sometimes you buy a 357 mag lever and it loves short 38 specials, sometimes you get one that jams with them.

If you were to run a thread on "which action has the best chance of feeding both magnum and special length cases", guaranteed you will get equal votes for 1894, 1873 and 1892 and each with a reason why that action type is the best and how the other actions arent! In other words, there are no guarantees. Usually the guns likes both types of ammo, sometimes it doesnt. Sometimes a gunsmith can tweak the action to get them firing both, the other option is just downloading the longer magnum case to special levels or seating bullets out in the special case where possible to find a length your gun likes.

For the record I have owned 3 x 357 rossis and a 44 mag rossi and all 4 digested both the standard magnum cases and shorter 38 or 44specials no problems.

Bore sizes: in lever actions it is all over the place. For example a 44 mag pistol may be .429 but different manufacturers may vary in 44 lever actions anywhere from .429 to .435! 357 is not quite as variable as a rule. Its boggled the minds of lever action owners for years why manufacturers seem to throw sheeps knucklebones in the air to decide the bore size of their latest offerings. For jacketed bullets it doesnt effect accuracy too much, however for loading accurate cast bullets you may need to slug the bore of your gun to figure out the actual true bore, and adjust cast bullet diametre accordingly.

Twist rates. Another subject almost as bizarrely inexplicable for lever action owners. Pistols all have fairly tight twists but lever actions can vary from 1:16 to 1:24, to 1:30( rossi's), to 1:38( standard marlins) !. Generally for regular ammo at modern magum speeds any twist will be fine. The RPM will be high enough to stablise even heavy hunting ammo. However if you are loading either unusually heavy bullets or very slow bullets you may need to see how your twist handles them . The 1:30 twist of the Rossi and 1:38 twist of the marlins in particular may be too slow. My 357 Rossi would stabilise 180 JHP grain bullets at full power but dropping back to subsonic speeds I found 158 was the heaviest its twist would stabilise.

I looked at 94's, 73's and 92's over and over for hunting, survival, SD purposes and each time for me the Rossi 92's won out. Light, nimble, almost feel like a kids toy cowboy gun(!) they are so handy but its serious medicine, can probably handle the highest pressures of any pistol lever action and its the cheapest to buy. They can be rough diamonds from the factory( as in rough edges, load gates, extractors nicking edges of rims type thing) but there are numerous DVD"s and threads on polishing and smoothing them up. I will add a cavest to that, the latest batch of Rossi's marked CBC are much smoother out of the box than any I have seen. One particular thing is the Rossi load gate traditionally has sharp edges and needs polishing but the latest ones your thumb keeps all its skin ;)

Other advantages to pistol calibres.
Combination with a side arm.
Quiet if supressed
Can still cycle when supressed( unlike semi-autos which become a single loader)
Low powered loads still have some 'oomph'( being a 38 or 44 special is still a legitimate mankiller and small game getter)
Economic
Plinking or survival. With low powered loads, a few grains of powder, cast bullets, brass that lasts for ages, barrel life almost infinite, you have a gun that can keep you fed or having fun for ever with just a few hundred bucks worth of components. A 38 special load with 3 grains of powder means 2333 reloads per 1lb can of powder.

In the 357's case, also its very light ammo weight for packing out. Loads weigh only slightly more than 223, About 3lbs per 100 loaded rounds. Compare this to about 5-6lbs per 100 for 308 or 10lbs for 12ga shotgun. 357 also packs tigher than 223 in storage, about 1500rounds in a 50 cal can.
 
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Which one do you enjoy more for plinking? Which one has more recoil?

The answer is generally it depends on the load. I've shot my friends 38sp/357, and I own the 45 Colt. Generally speaking the 45 Colt will have more recoil with moderate loads. It's nothing close to harsh though. The 357 loaded with 38 sp loads feels like a .22. For general fun and plinking I would think the 357 fits the bill perfectly. I only own the 45 Colt because I have a Blackhawk in the same caliber.

-Jeff
 
If I could wait on Ruger and was prepared to pay well over $1K, I’d wait on a new Marlin 1894 in .357 magnum.

If not, I’d be watching the used market or buy a new Henry Big Boy Steel of some flavor.

For 100 yard or less shooting for fun, I can’t see spending the extra coin for a big bore ammo supply. You will feel .357 go off in a lever gun, but you can fire it all day long and your shoulder won’t be bothered.
 
I would say as well, what you want is what everyone else wants, that is why they are so hard to find, I would also imagine those "hand gun" flavors are on the more expensive side as well.

Mine is in 357, and an older 80's version marlin.....the 80's being old is something I still struggle with.

When I bought mine I could do the Winchester and Marlin side by side. The winchester is like a 2022 pickup. The Marlin is like a 1972 pickup. That about sums it up.

I am happy with the one I bought. There is something about them, just flat fun.
 
I always found my Winchester Trappers the most fun. Had both the 44 and 45. The 44's were my favorites.

My Marlin 1895G would be my second choice.
 
I own Winchesters, Marlins and Henry’s in all of the OP’s calibers mentioned and more.

Levers are very popular around here (out west) and sell pretty quickly when put on local internet gun websites.

For me they all shoot the same pretty much. That is to say accurate enough.

Spend half day plinking on the range feeding rounds through the side gate and you will begin to appreciate Henry’s tube Mag. As well as when you go to empty it.

The side gate is handy to top off rounds but I’m not that nostalgic that I HAVE to have it.

The brass framed Henry(s) look nice however it adds about a pound to the rifle. Guess that’s not an issue if you plan to use it only on the range.

Wish Henry would come out with a TAPERED octagon barrel, case hardened frame with side gate. I’d be all over that.

I’m getting ready to retire next year and kinda think I’m going to get Henry’s new original iron framed rifle in 45 Colt as a gift to myself. That could change if Marlin rolls out something that catches me by surprise.

Regardless of what you pick levers are fun guns to shoot.
 
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