Help me understand why the .41 Mag is better than .44 Mag

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The "44" is really .429 inches, whereas the "41" is really .410 inches.

This difference is 4%.

That means theoretically at some distance downrange the smaller diameter in the same weight bullet will be more efficient and hold its trajectory better due to less atmospheric resistance in flight. That's with respect to the bullet however. It assumes you are firing out of very similar weapons with the same actions and most notably, the same barrel length.

Bottom line, which is best is the same issue as with the rifle debates, and depends on "what do you plan to shoot with it?"

My overall view of all the magnum pistols and revolvers is that they are too powerful for law enforcement or for effective self defense. Thus I conclude that they are hunting guns.

When you hunt, you normally are only going to shoot one round. You don't need to cap off an entire magazine or cylinder, as when you are defending yourself or in a police gunfight.

Thus for hunting, I would rate the hunting guns in the following order:

#1 45-70
#2 454 casul
#3 44 rem mag
#4 500 S&W

You could plug the .41 rem mag someplace near the .44 but it would depend on the barrel length, with a longer barrel being better than a shorter one for hunting. Ergo if your .41 and your .44 are the same size and the same weight and same barrel length, and the bullets and loads are the same weight and same energy, then there would be a slight advantage to the .41, but you would not notice it, and it would be an insignificant difference.

Going with a more popular round ensures availability of bullets and brass, whether you reload or whether you buy retail. But that is a convenience factor, although it has its advantages.

My point being, there are at least 2 better hunting guns than the .44 or the .41 so debating between almost-twin brothers is a bit meaningless.

Hail to the chief:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BFR_45-70_1.jpg
 
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Jrodcody
You need to check out and join 41 Mag Association a couple pages back in the Revolver thread.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=599046[/URL]
"You need to check out and join 41 Mag Association a couple pages back in the Revolver thread."

Sweet thread, thanks Domino300
 
My 2% of a buck, and nothing more.

I'm a .41 Magnum fan. I've owned several .44s over the years and have sold them all off. Recently, I acquired a short-barrelled Super Blackhawk...shot it about a hundred times...and traded it for a short .41 Blackhawk as soon as the opportunity presented itself.

I've heard it said that...with the .44 available, there's no practical reason for the .41 Magnum. For my own purposes, if I've got a good .41, there's no real practical need for the .44 magnum. With both loaded to their potential with standard bullet weights, there just isn't enough difference to make a difference until you move into using bullets that are heavy for the caliber...and that's a narrow niche.

IMHO, the .41 Magnum is the perfect heavy revolver caliber, and I'll never be without at least one as long as I have any control over things.
 
Here's my first post on this forum, and what a fun topic to wade into. I am the only guy in my peer group who is partial to the 41. We are all hand loaders, shooters, and hunters. Everyone else prefers 44s. To me, the argument is nothing to do with performance, recoil, or any of the other great arguments made so far. It really doesn't have to do with being different either, though that is indeed fun. For me, it's collectibility. I can feasibly collect an example of every factory produced 41. I could, with the drive and the money, even get every variation in barrel length, finish, etc. In other words, I can collect 41s with the goal of a complete collection. I cannot do that with a 44 collection. There has just been too much produced.

To add to this, I can go get a 44 about anywhere. If I want a rifle, there is a marlin at the pawn shop and a new remlin at the gun store. I can order a smith or find a used one from a buddy. Unless I drum down and say I am only going to collect a specific subset of 44s, I can just go buy one to fit my current fancy. Except for a few current production 41 revolvers (Blackhawks and smith classic series) I have to want a 41 badly to go seek one out.

Right now I have 2 of the 4 runs of 41 marlins, an older model 57 S&W, a Redhawk, a blackhawk, a flattop blackhawk, a desert eagle, and an armi jäger single action. I need the stainless and the cowboy marlins, smiths in the 58, 357ng, 657, a Dan Wesson, a Bisley ruger, a few taurus, a freedom arms, an astra, and the import single action Seville to complete my basic 41 collection. Maybe I can expand from there, especially with smiths, but even so, this is possible. And the thrill of the hunt when I find one of these is great, and is really the crux of my whole argument.
Excellent post and I think this sums up the appeal of the .41 for most people.

One may think from my posts that I am negative on the .41, I am not. I think it's an excellent cartridge that does many things well. I just can't go along with the "better than the .44" argument. Because I don't believe it to be true. I don't own a .41 yet because I have not come across one that struck my fancy when I had the money to buy it. A few years ago I found a wonderful fluted cylinder Ruger Bisley at a good price. I just couldn't pull the trigger on it because the frame was scratched around the bolt/trigger pin like somebody tried to push it out without understanding how to free it from the gate spring. It would've needed refinishing and I just couldn't afford another project at the time.

At present, after playing with the .38-40 for a few years, I want to resurrect the .401PowerMag in a custom Ruger.
 
Concealability

I have never owned a 44 mag. About 9 months ago I decided to increase the power in my concealed carry gun from the Kahr PM9 I carried. I figure if I ever need to stop someone then I went to stop him quickly, with one devastating shot. I decided I liked the fast heavy bullet theory, rather than the small fast one or the big slow one. I could not find a 44 mag that looked like it was concealable. I came across the Taurus 415 with a 2.5" barrel in my research. While still a bit large for concealment it sounded like it could be done. Now I have been carrying a pair of them, one behind each hip, since then. I am small, but they conceal well. Some people may put down Taurus, but it is a good gun and it is small enough that I can conceal two of them. With one on each side, I can draw with either hand, I have a fast reload, and it presents a symmetric appearance to enhance concealment. I think it is the most powerful concealment gun I could have gotten, and that is the edge it has over the 44 mag.
 
I doubt I can tell the difference in recoil between the two.

I know I can't tell the difference in trajectory, and I'd doubt the word of anyone who claims he can. (It's roughly three tenths of an inch at 100 yards.)

And while my experience with terminal effect of the .41 is limited, I strongly doubt there is a significant difference there either.

So it may make for an "interesting" internet debate, but in real life they are essentially the same cartridge.
 
Neither is very good for social work

41 Mag, 44 Mag; they are at their core, hunting cartridges for thick-skinned game. Humans are thin-skinned game.

The magnum rounds grossly overpenetrate, endangering innocents behind the primary target.

General principle: If you want maximum stopping power, you want the bullet to expend all it's energy INSIDE your target and leave as large a wound channel as it does.

Stopping people is a different ball game than humanely and quickly killing game. Different goal, different rules.

The biggest, baddest handgun round in existence is NOT the best tool for the job. A hammer will kill a mosquito really dead. But it is not the best tool for the job. Can you spell "overkill"?

Lost Sheep
 
The .41 an attempt to give the police a more powerful cartridge that the .357 but not so hard to handle as the .44 Mag. Police acceptance was very soft and then non-existent after the cops discovered semi-autos.

It was a cartridge who's time never came.
 
I have a couple of period recollections:

When the .41 was new on the market, Elmer Keith wrote that it was noticeably flatter shooting than the .44.

Handgun metallic silhouette shooters reported that the Model 57 was more durable than the Model 29 which was noted for not holding up well in high volume full magnum shooting.


The article on the .400 Colt Magnum was interesting.
Much earlier, Colt had prototyped a .41 Special. Interestingly enough, it was projected for three power levels, the hottest at a longer OAL so it would only chamber in a New Service.
http://www.sixguns.com/tests/tt41spec.htm

Other trivia on the caliber include Herter's plans to offer a double action .401 revolver. They never got it out, but if it had been based on the J.P. Sauer S&W copy, it would have been a contender.


I share the opinion that the .41 RM was too much gun for the police market. The M58 had to be on the N frame to handle the full charge magnums.
If they had kept the power down to about .45 ACP levels in a gun JUST big enough for it, they could have gotten a share of the police revolver market... just as the autos were coming in.
 
I've owned one .44 & shot one other. You can keep that mess. I know the 2 calibers are close, but here's my take- .44 is painful & suck-factor 10 for me to shoot. Do NOT like it. Drama, theatrics, muzzle blast & RECOIL. I just don't see the attraction.

On the other hand, my .41 Bisley Blackhawk is comfortable to shoot, even when slinging 215gr Keiths at 1350fps. I don't know about y'all, but down here in NC, that's more than enough for any critter I'm likely to encounter. Anything more than that is a *&%! measuring contest & I'm too old for that crap.

Like was previously mentioned, if/when I feel the need for more, I'll go .45Colt. 260gr at 1270fps were pussycats out of a 4 5/8" Blackhawk. I'm thinking that'd be heap big medicine on anything I'm likely to chase after.

Not bagging/discounting the .44. If it blows yer skirt up, go for it. Enjoy. In the interim, I'ma keep on being me & enjoying my oddball .41.
 
.41 fan

for me, the recoil in the 44's that I have shot ( 5.5" Redhawk and a 6" S&W 29) was punishing to me(wrist) but the 41 was not(6-1/2" blackhawk). I now have a Blackhawk with a 4-5/8" and a S&W Mtn Gun 4". I handload cause that's the only way I can afford to shoot them. I load Keith style 215 grn cast @ 1050 fps for practice and 210 grn XTP's or Gold Dots @ 1300 fps, both these loads are very reasonable in the recoil dept "for me". I still want to try the 250grn Cast Performance WFNGC @ 1150 fps to see what the recoil is like in my short barrels. I did however shoot an 8" Raging Bull in 454 Casull with the Taurus red stripe grip that was almost pleasant to shoot.
 
I'm surprised to see this old thread resurface. While re-reading all four pages I see that there was mention of the .357 mag 125gr JHP loading. Folks must remember too that when the .41 mag made it's debut (1964) expanding jacketed pistol bullets weren't in use at the time. IIRC the .41 mag was the first revolver cartridge to make use of a JSP bullet. How the .41 mag would stack up today compared to today's top defensive cartridges is any one's guess. It certainly hasn't had the advantage of being up graded like the more popular cartridges in use today.

Folks like to scoff at the .41 mag because it can't launch 300+ gr bullets compared to other cartridges. Therefore I suppose it can't make it through a wet Kleenex? However I have to ask, if a 225gr SWC launched at 1300-1400fps can penetrate past the liver (never to recovered) of a adult moose at 61yds, and stop said moose in 10yd what more is a 300+gr bullet going to accomplish?
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=6879&highlight=magnum

Or how about a 250gr WFN starting out at almost 1100fps hitting a 700 pound elk at 74yd broad side and going complety through both shoulders. Again what more is one going to accomplish from a 300+ gr bullet? Both animals would not be any more degree of dead.
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=69822&highlight=magnum

So much for the argument of needing to sling extra heavy for caliber bullets to harvest your quarry:rolleyes:

The .41 mag is a fine cartridge and can stand up on it's own merits. What few people realize is that the .41 mag is only about 10% short of .44 mag performance, barring of course the super heavy bullet loads.
 
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I want a 41 mag, 44 was just never right; Too big for a handgun too small for a rifle
 
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