Help, Sorry, I'm tired, need to explain stances for hangun

[Shadow 7D]

I'm decent on rifle, the basics are pretty easy,
but have a friend who wants me to help him, teach him to shoot handgun
I'm not bad, but not great, I do ragged fist size holes at 15 -25 and keep it on the plate doing doubles.

that said, I'm not great, NO WHERE near.
One of the problems is I'm not formally trained, I shot well enough, read about it
on grip, he's disabled, but strong, he 'works' just maybe not the way it's supposed to.

grip and stance, I think the only one I was taught was dynamic tension of weaver. I know the others by name, but not what they are/differences

Yeah, I know it's covered, but I'm not finding it tonight

 

[Sam1911]

The primary pistol shooting grip style (not even really a stance) that's used these days is called the "Modern (or Modified) Isosceles" stance. Gun is centered, both arms form equal-length sides of a triangle. Gun is gripped high and firm by the strong hand, and the strong hand is then gripped firmly by the support hand. Most of the pressure on the gun is side-to-side, not front-to-back. If you do a google search for the term you'll come up with lots of pics and commentary. Shoulders roll up just a bit, elbows are NOT locked, weight is slightly forward.

Almost all competition shooters (and most other serious shooters) have moved to that position for better flexibility and movement as well as controlled speed.

Here's Doug Koenig's take on it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp_2ECfbwKo

 

[loose noose]

Sam, are you referring to the modified Weaver Stance? I've never heard of the modified Isoseles.

 

[Sam1911]

No, actually I'm not. Doug K. goes into it a little bit (watch the vid), though I'm not quite sure I see what he considers the "traditional" Iso stance as very viable.

Basically he says the '80s version of Iso was very upright, locked elbows. Looks very rigid. And that's completely the opposite of what most of us Iso shooters are doing.

Apparently "we've" all adopted "his" modern or modified Iso stance!

 

[9mmepiphany]

Basically he says the '80s version of Iso was very upright, locked elbows. Looks very rigid. And that's completely the opposite of what most of us Iso shooters are doing.

That is what we were doing in PPC in the 80s and the carry over is that Weaver shooters that is what is referred to when folks say Isosceles stance.

Apparently "we've" all adopted "his" modern or modified Iso stance!

That is pretty funny. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I'm going to take it his use of "my" to mean "the one I use"...Enos and Leathem might not be that understanding

The main things to take away from the video is that the Modern Isosceles (Iso) and the Weaver used the same foot placement. The Weaver uses the push-pull dynamic tension while the Iso uses a more balanced grip and arm tension. Neither arm geometry locks out the elbows, but the Weaver drops the support elbow while the Iso either has them level or has them both dipping a bit.

Sam, are you referring to the modified Weaver Stance? I've never heard of the modified Isoseles.

I haven't either...you left out the "c" ...It sounds like you missed the late 80s

The Modified Weaver is more bladed and locks out the shooting elbow...it is closely related to the older military rifle shooter's stance; modern military rifle technique is closely related to the Iso.

The Modern Isosceles has proven to allow quicker movement and faster shots on target and it's use became universal at the upper tiers of training in the early 90s

 

[Deaf Smith]

Don't forget the Egret stance!

Devised by Brian Enos and truly a Zen stance.

Deaf

 

[MK75]

The Marine Corps teaches the Weaver and Isosceles. It is up to the shooter to try both and decide which one he/she prefers. I choose Weaver and have been high shooter in every school I've been to. Good luck.

 

[Al Thompson]

One downside to Weaver is aging eyes loose focus on closer object.

Shadow, the late great Paul Gomez has some excellent videos that should help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZOO0JF1gVQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJOslIIfggk