Help spend my money on a 9mm

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Boats, May 2, 2007.

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Which 9mm Duty Pistol? (public poll)

  1. Beretta PX4 Storm

    10.0%
  2. CZ-75 SP-01 or Stainless

    46.0%
  3. H&K P2000

    23.3%
  4. S&W M&P9

    20.7%
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  1. Boats

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    I'm in the market again. Your input is valued. Here are the parameters:

    I am choosing a full or "duty" sized 9mm pistol. The following choices are OUT for the reason(s) stated, so please do not try to mix them back in:

    Astras or any Spanish autoloaders--don't like them.
    Beretta 92 or 90-Two--been there and done that.
    Browning High Power--bites me and I don't like it enough to modify one.
    Glock--ergonomics suck for me.
    HK USP--been there done that, don't like the pistol.
    HKP7--too expensive and too single stack.
    IMI--Too ugly
    Kahr--Too unreliable
    Ruger--Don't care for them
    SIG--Been there done that. Don't care for the controls, especially as a lefty.
    Springfield--I owned an XD9, but I didn't care for the shortish trigger reach.
    Steyr--Don't care for the feel or the sights.
    Taurus--Ugh.
    Walther--Had a P99 and got rid of it.

    So the leading candidates are in the poll. Others not on rejection list will also be considered.
     
  2. DogBonz

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    Kimber

    I have heard good things about their 9mm 1911's. A 9mm commander would be really nice.



    -Fred

    Edit: Sorry, the poll was not up when I responded. Out of the guns listed, I vothe for the HK. Great quality and ergronomics. Also as a lefty, you can have the controls set up for you.
     
  3. fattsgalore

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    Dude, you just ruled out half the gun industry. You might as well get a bow and arrow.
    Good luck regardless.
     
  4. Nitrogen

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    I love the heck out of my M&P 9mm.

    Make sure you get one without the integral lock or mag safety.
     
  5. Boats

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    Dude,

    After being at this for over twenty years, I've burned through at least half of the industry either through owning pistols or trying them out.:p
     
  6. RNB65

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    A CZ is a MANLY gun! A big hunk of eastern European cold steel with lots of tool marks and rough spots (in areas where they don't do any harm). Lots of attention given to ergonomics but not too much given to looks (although they are a darn sight prettier than Glocks!). The way a gun is supposed to be!!! :cool:
     
  7. ipscshooter

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    The new Kimber plastic pistol looks interesting, as does the FN line.

    If the choice is what's in the poll, I would add these two for a look see.
     
  8. Black Majik

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    The HK P2000 is an excellent gun. It's definitely more ergonomic than a USP, and is ambi capable. I own both, and prefer my P2000 over the USP, but the DA on both guns just plain sucks.

    The M&P is nice too, very soft shooter. Gritty trigger out of the box, but accurate and fun to shoot also. I'd go for the P2000 personally.
     
  9. DirksterG30

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    I'd pick the SP-01 for sure. I love the ergonomics on that pistol. Runner-up would be the M&P, less the lock & mag safety of course.
     
  10. Rail

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    Does anyone still dislike the S&W SW40E or VE? I heard a lot of people down on them in the beginning but that has slacked off as S&W moved on to the M&P, but for the money -and ergonomics - it is the Glock with a better grip...in either 9 or 40 it has always felt and shot good to me and I have three.
     
  11. ARTiger

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    If you are left handed - may want to consider the CZ 85 or stainless 75 . . . both have ambi controls.
     
  12. surjimmy

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    I am really in shock, is the cz that good of a gun. I really mean this and am not being a wise guy. I don't know that much about them. My cousin own's 3 two are the 30 yr annver. He's never shot any of them. If this is hording in and don't belong please forgive me, let me know and i will withdraw it.
     
  13. Lonestar49

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    2 choices

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    Beretta or CZ IMHO

    LS
     
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  14. Lonestar49

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    2 choices

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    Beretta or CZ IMHO

    Hey Boat, speaking on behalf of my Beretta Px4 40cal, and it shoots and handles like a Peach, then the Px4 9mm must be a Daisy..

    And, the Beretta or a CZ are two different animals, in both weight, and that weight and balance used to draw to aim, along with, The CZ's slide action, along with manual cocking of the hammer, required much more strength, in my case, along with ease of these two functions, found in the Beretta.


    Just pull the DA trigger until ya hear the first click:
    And take into account, Beretta's "semi-cock" selection, and ease of DA pull-thru from there, or putting it manually into SA mode (and pull weight of it) from there, with an easy, pure, pull-back of your thumb. And make note of pull weights of both guns in their respective DA/SA modes.

    Also, have the salesman break them both down and put them back together, then you have a go.

    I found, and find, the Beretta just so easy and simple to do anytime, anywhere.


    Good luck with your choice and new 9mm of choice



    LS
     
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  15. GVMan

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    CZ cleanliness

    I'd agree that the tooling marks and roughness inside a CZ do not hinder its operation or accuracy. However, doesn't that make it a lot harder to keep clean? Couldn't that lead to undetected corrosion etc?
     
  16. RNB65

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    Ay, that, Matey! The CZ uses the old "pull the slide back an eighth of an inch and hold it while you punch the slide release pin out" system. Easier than a 1911, but no where near as easy as a Sig or Glock. Oh, well, can't have everything...
     
  17. glockman19

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    Of the choices you will accept I choose the H&K P2000. I think Glock makes the best 9mm ever but if you don't like the ergonomics then so be it.
     
  18. River Wraith

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    I'd go with a German made Walther P-99. All others are crap. Since you don't like those, though, the H&K is the way to go.
     
  19. 10-Ring

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    I choose HK above all, so of your choices, I'd go w/ the P2000...HK quality and really nice ergos.
     
  20. gudel

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    give em a jamomatic, he'll be content.
     
  21. Black Snowman

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    If I were going to get a full size 9mm it would be the CZ 75B stainless without a doubt. I love my CZs in 40 S&W and if I get my two Glocks sold there's a chance a Champion might be in my future.
     
  22. R.H. Lee

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    Glock 17 (after you learn to shoot it). Trust me, that's what you'll end up with.
     
  23. hostilecrab

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    cz

    my vote for the cz-75 sp-01

    excellent ergonomics, reliable, durable, extremely accurate out of the box

    also you can carry 19-rounds in a magazine
     
  24. robctwo

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    I'm a cz fan. Haven't shot the SP-01 yet, but plan on it this Friday. My lefty friend really likes his 85.
     
  25. modifiedbrowning

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    I chose CZ from the choices listed on the poll.
    For a nice inexpensive option I would recommend the Bersa Thunder 9 fullsize. It is basically a Walther P88 (which would be another option but costs around $1500) with ambi slide stop and decocker/safety, unlike the P88's ambi slide stop/decocker lever.
    I have a Thunder 9 fullsize and 2 Thunder 9 ultracompacts and all three have been very reliable and accurate. Last summer I tested my fullsize by shooting 1k without any cleaning. The only problem I had was one failure to feed. I picked mine up for $350 OTD.
    www.bersafirearmsusa.com
     
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