Help with a reduced load for a Kid

[vinpar092]

Hey guys I didn't know anybody better to turn to than you! I was asked to work up a load for a 9 year old boy that just received his new Howa 7mm-08 youth 20" barrel. He is a little fella and we're going to try and cut the stock way down and try to fit a limbsaver pad on it for him. I didn't find any information with a search on this site. I found some information on the internet for H4895 and SR4759, but I already have 7#'s of IMR4895 and wanted to try and use that. I know the burn rates are very close (4895's) and thought that someone would have some information out there for a reduced load with IMR 4895. The kid can shoot a 30-30 that has a good recoil pad on it so I thought we could find him a load and get him shooting by Oct. 20th. (not much time).

Thanks Vince

 

[zxcvbob]

Do you have any Red Dot or Unique or 2400? Search for cast bullet loads using these powders and you can experiment (within reason) to find the level you like.

Bob

 

[vinpar092]

No, I mostly shoot rifle. I have HS-6, H-110-296 in pistol and H4350, H414, H380, Imr 4895, H4198. I think that's all I have.

Vince

 

[joneb]

H-4895 might be your best bet, Hodgdon offers reduced load info for this powder; http://www.hodgdon.com/data/youth/index.php
I have had good results loading my .308 Win with Nos 125gr BT over Blue Dot and Unique but the chance of flash over/hang fire is in my mind when I shoot these loads, I would rather use published data for a young shooter.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Looks like 25 to 27 gr of IMR4895 will do the trick according to the Hodgdon site for a light youth load.

jibjab,
Thanks for that link, I didn't know about the youth loads that Hodgdon recommends.

 

[Walkalong]

SR 4759 is made for reduced loads in rifle cartridges.

 

[vinpar092]

ArchAngelcd,

Where did you get that data. I couldn't seem to find it ? I found where it stated 60% reduction from maximum of H4895. I tried to contact Hodgdon concerning IMR 4895 and no one answered. I'll try again today. My question then is why does Hodgdon list 35.2 (130 gr) and 35.6 (120 gr) for H4895? That's a 25% reduction in the load. Also, would you use a filler and what would you use as a filler?

Thanks,

Vince

 

[jmorris]

I have an xp-100 in 7br that I hunt deer with great success and wanted a rifle in the same caliber, until I got to the price. So I wound up getting a model seven in 7-08 and downloading it to 7mmbr velocities. A 139grain Nosler partition and 34.8 grains of 748 gives 2200 fps and has very little recoil. In rifles I want to tame recoil without diminishing performance I install mercury recoil reducers in the stocks, they work well but do add weight.

 

[RidgwayCO]

Um... Vinpar092 that's a 40% reduction (or .6 times the maximum load shown for H4895). I don't know if IMR 4895 and H4895 are interchangeable. Were I you, I'd call Hodgdon and ask...

Just wanted you to be safe.

 

[Walkalong]

Hodgdon Data

 

[ArchAngelCD]

vinpar092,
Since the merge of Hodgdon, Winchester Powders and IMR a lot of the powders are the same. H110 and W296 are now identical as is W231 and HP-38. I got that information directly from Winchester. Here is a copy of the letter received as a reply to a question sent to Winchester:

You can safely use the Hornady XTP data with your bullets. Use the crimp groove in your bullet and it will work fine. Hodgdons HP-38 and Winchester 231 are exactly the same powders. Anywhere you see data for one you can use the other. I'm sending 2 E-mails with data, one of which will have +P loads.

Dave Campbell
Hodgdon/ IMR/ Winchester

H4895 and IMR 4895 have almost the exact same numbers on the Hodgdon Load Data site. That's probably because either the powders now are exactly the same or they have always been so close they are interchangeable. I have a "Relative Burn Rate Chart", H4895 and IMR 4895 are listed one after the other on the chart which means their burn rates are the same. Since the reason Hodgdon chose H4895 to do the reduced load data was it's slow burn rate the same will hold true for IMR 4895. (they are # 64 and #65 on the chart I have)

Of course, don't take my word for any of this because you shouldn't trust anything you hear on the Internet including what I'm telling you. Wait for Hodgdon/ IMR/ Winchester to confirm what you are doing before you do it.

 

[vinpar092]

I called Hodgdon and spoke with Mike. He stated that IMR 4895 can be substitited for H 4895 youth loads stated on the web site.

Vince

 

[vinpar092]

Thanks for the input everyone. Its so difficult to get the kids what they need to enjoy our sport especially when we need them to continue on. Finding a recoil pad has been just as much work. It seems it should be easier.

Vince

 

[ArchAngelCD]

I called Hodgdon and spoke with Mike. He stated that IMR 4895 can be substitited for H 4895 youth loads stated on the web site.

Vince

Calling them was the best course of action. You can never be to careful when loading, especially when a child is in the loop. I'm glad I didn't post inaccurate information and that it was confirmed by Hodgdon.

Good luck working on this loads for that 9 year old child. The love of the sport you are instilling in him will give him a lifetime of enjoyment. Bravo Sir...

 

[vinpar092]

I love helping anyone's child, but sometime its very difficult. Its a new project for every child to fit their needs, different calibers, guns. I think that's why I like it so much. With all the children that we have all helped, you would think the information would be flowing and its not.

Best wishes to everyone

Vince

 

[Mule]

Put that Hodgdon web page in your favorites for quick reference.
I have used that data quite a bit, helping out the ladies and kids.