help with ar15 build?
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kwelz
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$600 is going to be a hard price point to build anything of quality.
Slimbo
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you get can a doublestar for around 650 + shipping from buds. i'd go that route if thats what your looking to spend.
BsChoy
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$650 is pretty tight but possible I think with shopping around. I like A3 flat tops myself it all depends if you like perm carry handles or iron sights.
Grunt Medic TXARNG
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Anything under a 16" barrel and it'll have to be registered as a short barrelled rifle and an NFA transfer fee paid.
You can buy the rifle in kit form with everything except the stripped lower for about $500-, and you can find lowers for under $100-, meeting your price point. The upper will come assembled, and lowers go together pretty easily - lots of tutorials on the 'Net.
http://www.del-ton.com/ar_15_kits_s/1.htm
http://www.jsesurplus.com/riflekits.aspx
Or if you're willing to spend a little extra, a Rock River kit will run you about $700-
http://rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=199
You can buy the rifle in kit form with everything except the stripped lower for about $500-, and you can find lowers for under $100-, meeting your price point. The upper will come assembled, and lowers go together pretty easily - lots of tutorials on the 'Net.
http://www.del-ton.com/ar_15_kits_s/1.htm
http://www.jsesurplus.com/riflekits.aspx
Or if you're willing to spend a little extra, a Rock River kit will run you about $700-
http://rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=199
brandon_mcg
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the good thing about building is that you can order the lower and lower parts kit and put that together. save a little and get a complete upper or build the upper from scratch. you don't have to buy it all at once. get some good components and put them together, then save up and buy some more parts. check ar15.com for some good advice and their for sale forum usually has some good deals.
if you do build, dont forget to factor in the transfer fee for shipping the lower to your FFL. Also, there are some tools that are recommended that you have for building an AR that you may want to look at when considering your budget.
if you do build, dont forget to factor in the transfer fee for shipping the lower to your FFL. Also, there are some tools that are recommended that you have for building an AR that you may want to look at when considering your budget.
Spec ops Grunt
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I'd go with Del-Ton
http://www.jsesurplus.com/16completem4rifle-1-2.aspx
http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/item/W.A.S.P.-Bargain-Bin-16-inch-M4-1402
both are $600 plus shipping/ffl. you could always go with a plum crazy lower pick up a jse surplus upper or a del-ton upper for a $500 +shipping/ffl build
http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/item/W.A.S.P.-Bargain-Bin-16-inch-M4-1402
both are $600 plus shipping/ffl. you could always go with a plum crazy lower pick up a jse surplus upper or a del-ton upper for a $500 +shipping/ffl build
lobo9er
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dsa upper 275
1-7 twist 325
lobo9er
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id say 600 bucks theres lots of choices.
MtnCreek
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$600 is do-able, but you may want to add a few hundred to that and get a better rifle.
Brands: Rock River is a good low price kit. Also, check out Bravo Co; they make some great stuff for a little more $.
I would order a complete kit (less lower receiver), then purchase the lower seperatly. You probably don't want to tackle assembling the upper on your first build (most kits come upper assembled).
Choose the style based on the purpose you have for the rifle. If you think you will put optics on it at some point, get a flat top.
Also, you need punches that are the same dia as the pins in the lower. There is also a tool for installing the takedown pins; It Is Worth It! It pretty much sucks to have your new build complete, then a tiny pin goes flying across the room (never to be seen again).
Chris95
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Doublestar lower dpms oracle or sporticle upper.
71_440Superbee
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New member here,and first post. Thought I'd help. I have a brand new CMMG complete mil-spec lower I am selling to get a RRA lower to match my upper. Brand spankin new and ready to bolt on and go. $250 FTF,Iwill ship + shipping.PM or email.
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brandon_mcg
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pretty nice. you may get more hits if you place it in the for sale forum rather than buried under all the posts here.
Zerodefect
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Except for 14.5" barrels with pinned A2X or similar flash hiders. No NFA bs.
kwelz
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Was that English?
What do you mean by Hand bars? Tactical Stocks?
Cheap and Quality usually don't go together.
Good brands would be BCM, DD, Colt, Noveske, LMT.
Pretty good brands would be S&W and Spikes.
I would question anything else. And as I said in my first post, 600 is a really hard price point to hit unless you are just talking about the upper.
What do you mean by Hand bars? Tactical Stocks?
Cheap and Quality usually don't go together.
Good brands would be BCM, DD, Colt, Noveske, LMT.
Pretty good brands would be S&W and Spikes.
I would question anything else. And as I said in my first post, 600 is a really hard price point to hit unless you are just talking about the upper.
Go here: http://www.ar15.com/ or here: http://www.m4carbine.net/forum.php
Read all the sticky posts at the top of the forum categories. It will take some time. You will learn a lot. You will know much more about what's important. And you won't let yourself get suckered into buying a bling gun that sits in the closet because it's actually no fun to shoot, just looks cool.
The important thing to know is that a government issue gun is a bundle of compromise. Government guns are also burst/full auto, which is a severe use and erodes the barrel throat, needing more protection.
Military specification gets talked about. They are not state of the art, they are institutionalized, and are mostly to protect the taxpayer by setting minimum standards. A lot of it is inspection and material type, and how it's to be made. Spec for a M4 states chrome lined, what barrel steel, what twist rate, etc. And, it only shoots 2 MOA, or about a two inch group at 100 yards. That's the standard, has been since before the '50s, and that's all the ammo is held to. A soldier can shoot accurately at man sized targets out to 500m depending on their skill. For shooting prairie dogs, not good enough. That's a ten inch spread and it's obvious you could miss.
A purpose built prairie dog gun might have a 20" stainless bull barrel and get 1/2 MOA, or about a 2 1/2" spread at 500 yards. A 200% improvement, and still no absolute guarantee.
Understand what milspec gets you and decide if it's good enough. It's not for a lot of shooters. Depends on what you want done. That's why it's important to read up and make good decisions, rather than stumble into it and discover something isn't what you really want.
Read all the sticky posts at the top of the forum categories. It will take some time. You will learn a lot. You will know much more about what's important. And you won't let yourself get suckered into buying a bling gun that sits in the closet because it's actually no fun to shoot, just looks cool.
The important thing to know is that a government issue gun is a bundle of compromise. Government guns are also burst/full auto, which is a severe use and erodes the barrel throat, needing more protection.
Military specification gets talked about. They are not state of the art, they are institutionalized, and are mostly to protect the taxpayer by setting minimum standards. A lot of it is inspection and material type, and how it's to be made. Spec for a M4 states chrome lined, what barrel steel, what twist rate, etc. And, it only shoots 2 MOA, or about a two inch group at 100 yards. That's the standard, has been since before the '50s, and that's all the ammo is held to. A soldier can shoot accurately at man sized targets out to 500m depending on their skill. For shooting prairie dogs, not good enough. That's a ten inch spread and it's obvious you could miss.
A purpose built prairie dog gun might have a 20" stainless bull barrel and get 1/2 MOA, or about a 2 1/2" spread at 500 yards. A 200% improvement, and still no absolute guarantee.
Understand what milspec gets you and decide if it's good enough. It's not for a lot of shooters. Depends on what you want done. That's why it's important to read up and make good decisions, rather than stumble into it and discover something isn't what you really want.
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