Help with Military trench Guns and Rifles

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I agree, the '97 looks way too clean- those guns were used hard. Also, the stamps and stock cartouche are very deep and straight- unusually so for ordnance stamps. See how lightly struck the marks are on the .22s? That would be much more typical. Still- not an expert on trench shottys, u definitely need an expert to look appraise that one.
The M1922 is a real gem! Saw one in about the same shape fly out of my LGS for $2200 recently.
 
I've got an 03A3 with stamps that look that good, but the metal finish (I think) needs an expert's opinion. A lot of arms issued 'blue' in WW1 got re-arsenaled and parkerized for WW2, but not always. Not all 'trench guns' saw frontline duty, most would be in the hands of MP's if used at all, between the wars.
 
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image.jpeg Here is a stamp That is on the stock of E95xxx "RIPKA" and probably why it never saw any use. I'm sure someone knows what it stands for ?

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I would be of the camp that the RIPKA was added post military use, as I have never seen a marking on a WWII G.I. firearm like that.
My best guess is that it is a name, not an acronym.
Without knowing the history of the gun post war, (unless you do?), it likely ended up with a LEO branch of some type (as many did) where it acquired that stamp/brand.
Again, my guess.

The serial range, although considered high for Waldemar Broberg's stamp, is consistent with the 4 hole heat shield pattern and the later style wrist/comb of the butt stock.
What I can see of 95xxx looks straight to me so far, including the blueing, but as the good Dr. has mentioned, photos of just one gun at a time will help.
Barrel will likely be marked 42 on the bottom at the frame.

Since the gun is a converted riot gun (evidenced by the take down pin hole on the forward end of the magazine tube),
you will need very clear close up photos of the gun muzzle showing the style of shims used to 'fill out' the tapered riot barrel to fit the
heat shield which was made for the straight, no taper heavy wall trench gun barrel. All '97 trench barrels have a noticeably bigger muzzle diameter with thicker barrel walls.

No value estimate yet pending more clear photos, but I would steer clear of offers on these (you will get them) until you have a better handle on them.

JT
 
m1922 Springfields are definitely getting more and more expensive and north of $1500 as asking prices in collector grades as you appear to have. Many of the originals were upgraded to the M2 model so if you have one of the older models (major difference is the bolt--the original m1922 or the M1 that has been left undisturbed, then these are more scarce and likely to be higher. Here is a decent article on the various models and their differences http://www.rifleshootermag.com/rifles/featured_rifles_rs_m2springfield_201002/

Regarding the RIPKA marks, like others above, I doubt those are military but something someone did to mark their property. It might hurt the value to some collectors, If provenance exists involving ownership then it might be neutral or even positive--imagine a Sgt. York trench art decorated 1903 Springfield that could be documented.

Regarding the Savage 1907, Allies other the US were desperate for any sort of firearm that would go bang--so a lot of U.S. made arms went to that conflict apart from U.S. forces. Likewise, other resourceful U.S. enlistees took private arms to WWI and sometimes the home front folks even mailed them to them in France via U.S. Mail. What is useful to get top dollar for such gray area pistols is documentation such as ordnance stamps, arsenal marks, or received personal letters, documents like bill of sales, postal receipts, military documents, etc. establishing that this pistol was owned by Sgt. Such and Such and that said pistol went to war with them. Hard headed collectors will not pay for "family lore" type stories but want documentable proof. Might want to inquire if you still can if these papers are still around from your relative. A lot of time, these things such as old documents get thrown out during estate cleanup.

Things like trench knives, etc. might get a more proper appraisal from website sub forums dealing in militaria such as gunboards, milsurps.com, and other places. IMA and Ebay can establish prices on more common stuff.
 
Everyone,
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Thanks all for the help. I will take new pics of each item and it will be in separate photos. Need to pinpoint exactly what came in the grey Red Cross locker. I received offers as indicated I would. I will email back as I receive them or i will just post in sale section and then email interested parties. I know it would be tuff but I would love to keep all together. Just need to establish mid base price and accurately know what each item is.
 
This is the E95xxx Ripka riot and I see no shims. No stamp loss. I will load more of the action and it's as mint. I need to delete photos to add anymore.

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I will get better pics but it's a nice size. Need to move a bunch to get better pics. But you get the idea. Pic of top and front.

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Now that's some nice stuff Boocoo!
Good to hear you ordered a book that will help get a handle on your rigs.

Maybe I could request a few specific angle shots for you to share with us?

One of the wrist/comb area of the butt on both lying down. No need to zoom in for this one.
Maybe a shot of both over-all lying down as well, and one last of the muzzles of both -as in looking down the barrel.

I want to thank you for sharing these around Christmas.
These photos are a really nice gift to all of us.

Love to tell you that one gun is worth xxx on the dot.
Not making offers as you really need to contact a reputable seller in order for you to see full value on the stuff you have.

The '97s both have their minor detractions - the WWI era gun has a section of the toe missing
and the later one does have the name applied across the stock.
Just mentioning this because it will affect the value achieved.

An auction for these will be the only way you will see full value because of the dollar amount.
Most folks who can afford these guns can't justify the added expense of flying in to examine a gun(unless they are buying both)
selling for between 6 and 8 (my estimate) like the 95xxx gun you have.
They are willing to pay that amount all right, but only to a trusted seller where they know their money is safe. (Don't take that personal at all:))

If you are a new, un-rated seller or have a low number of sales you will not reach the level of bidding a top seller will bring.
That's because all the bidders KNOW that these top sellers would never compromise their reputation on any one gun sale and that
the top seller would divulge any problems and accept the gun back if they are unhappy with the inspection.

Say the WWII gun sells for 7.
A 20% commission from a top seller (go check out the quality of their photos!) would be 1400, leaving you with 5600.
I just do not believe you'll get that same amount unless the buyer has some means to verify both the gun and the sale.

I realize I've gone on a bit.
You've got some really stuff that you have shared and my only intent is to see you
get the value from this nice collection.

JT
 
J.T.

Thanks for enjoying them. All your info and knowledge is very helpful and informative.

I have been a member on this site since 2005 and I enjoy shooting and American sxs and small game hunting and I have many top notch references in this area but I don't know much on the military items or many people who enjoy the military items.

Which shows are best for military items ?

Thanks to all I'm learning quickly and ruff estimates really help out.

I will get other photos and I'm glad you like the new photos.
 
A couple resources you might try contacting for assistance. Unless you are in a hurry to sell it all I would recommend getting a real, detailed appraisal. You might have additional local laws you must follow to enact a sale.

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/
Toll free (877) 214-9327
email: [email protected]

https://www.simpsonltd.com/
Call us at ++309/ 342-5800. FAX - 309/ 342-5730

Bonham's Auction House ARMS & ARMOR (US) (they have a New York office that might be able to arrange an appraisal)
General enquiries
Tel: +1 415 503 3408
Fax: +1 415 503 3300
[email protected]
 
Dr Bob,

Thank You, I'm in no rush and I ordered Canfield trench book and M1 carbine book for the Two Paratroopers, Both books arrived and Both Trench guns are Dead on accurate and even the cleaning rods are listed and Displayed in the Canfield trench book. Both trench guns have all correct matching stamps and serial ranges are both in correct range. The RIPKA is a 1943 take down which is correct. It's states it's rarer to have W.B. Stamp which was a short run.

The day the book arrived and I verified and Just assembled the Paratroopers, They are dead on as well, neat tiny great little gun. The ranges overlap but both papartroopers are correct inland maker serial ranges. One para is a 1st run and other is late 2nd.


Thanks to all and pics to follow on Revolvers and Inland papartroopers if any Desire to keep thread going ?

I'm aware of all local and federal laws and Abide by all and have the right to carry. I hope the receprosity law passes so all lawful and Licesend individuals can really carry and will not bound by a state line.

The public safety and one's life's is not bound by the state they reside, Crime has no boundaries. Your life is no less because your in another state. Everyone has the right to Defend oneself when it's threatened. The right to bear arms. PERIOD.






QUOTE="Dr.Rob, post: 10713823, member: 87"]A couple resources you might try contacting for assistance. Unless you are in a hurry to sell it all I would recommend getting a real, detailed appraisal. You might have additional local laws you must follow to enact a sale.

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/
Toll free (877) 214-9327
email: [email protected]

https://www.simpsonltd.com/
Call us at ++309/ 342-5800. FAX - 309/ 342-5730

Bonham's Auction House ARMS & ARMOR (US) (they have a New York office that might be able to arrange an appraisal)
General enquiries
Tel: +1 415 503 3408
Fax: +1 415 503 3300
[email protected][/QUOTE]
 
Well, if nothing else, you need a decent safe to stow all this goodness.
Replacement values on just what is pictured would be staggering amounts.
Enough to easily justify two grand on a Sturdy or an Armscor.
 
Dr.Rob said:
Savage was never issued but very possibly went to war, as every doughboy wanted a pistol. Lots of private handguns went overseas.
Click to expand...

Actually.. Savages did go to war with a couple foreign armies just not ours check out C&Arsenal on youtube if anyone's curious about almost any of these.
 
Thanks all for the kind comments. I'm going to list them in the sale section. It's been a while since I sold in the sale section.

If any member see an item just email me.

All Federal and state laws will be followed to the letter of the law. They will need to be shipped to an FFL Dealer.
 
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