Help with Scope Eye Relief

Discussion in 'Long Gun Accessories and Optics' started by Resist Evil, Nov 1, 2019.

  1. Resist Evil

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    I have a Win Model 70, 7mm Rem. Mag. with the B.O.S.S. system that I bought new in 1999. I have it topped with an Trijicon AccuPoint 3x9x40 scope using 1" Redfield rings and Redfield bases. The scope is about 12-15 years old, but it's just a guess as to when I installed it. As heavy as this setup is, it has been reliable in taking Pronghorn, Deer, and Elk and I don't want to mess with success.

    I am having a time trying to get a good sight picture through the scope wearing my usual heavy hunting coat at a magnification above 4x. Even at that magnification, it's not that easy. I'm older and 25lbs heavier than I was twenty years ago.

    The scope is mounted with the rings butting up against the scope bells fore and aft, so moving the scope back towards my face to get into a good eye relief zone is no good. Do I look around for different bases and/or rings or am I going to have to find a gunsmith to cut the stock to a different LOP? I would appreciate some input as to how best to address this situation.
     
  2. troy fairweather

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    Need offset bases or rings, what bases and rings are you using.
     
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  3. Resist Evil

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    As I mentioned, Redfield bases and rings.
     
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    as much as I dislike the look either swap your rings and bases for extensions, or a full length rail.....pretty much what Troy said.
     
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  6. MistWolf

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    That depends. If the LOP is too long (or too short) , it's too long (or too short)no matter where the scope is mounted.

    On my rifles, I set the LOP where is right for me, then do what it takes to set the scope to where it matches.

    Before cutting your stock, make sure it'll be cut to the right length. If the stock is already set to the right length, don't cut it.
     
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  7. Skylerbone

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    With my ingrained dislike of Standard Rings I’d vote different rings. Talley integrated would be my choice if, as MistWolf points out, LOP is correct. These can be flipped 180 degrees to avoid the scope’s ocular and objective bells while looking classy.
     
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  8. jmr40

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    I strongly dislike the mounts you're using. I have Talley lightweights on most of my go-to rifles. They are 4-6 oz lighter than what you have, cost less, and are far easier to mount. And are actually stronger. My 2nd option is Burris Zee rings in Weaver, or Weaver style bases.

    The scope you have is very unforgiving as to eye relief, 3.2"-3.6" according to what I'm seeing online, so it is going to have to be mounted closer to your face than I like. I like scopes to have at least 4" of eye relief so choosing another scope still may need to be considered. With such critical eye relief you can either set the scope to fit you in a T-Shirt, or heavy clothing, but not both. Some of my scopes have nearly 5" of eye relief and work equally well no matter how I'm dressed.
     
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  9. MistWolf

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    Friends Don't Let Friends Do It Weaver Style. After the experiences I've had, you'd have to pay me to take Weaver style mounts, so I could dispose them without cost to me. I don't care if they are what Picatinee (sp?) rails are based on.

    I've been using Redfield mounts & rings for more decades than I care to admit to. They are more than tough enough, easy to set up and allow the scope to be mechanically zeroed in windage.

    I also don't care for vertically split rings, but that's a personal preference.
     
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  10. Skylerbone

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    Talley integrated mounts don’t have the traditional vert. split of their dovetail brethren.


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    I don’t care for the looks much but in your situation I’d get a one piece picatinny base and you’ll never have the issue again with any scope. In fact I have done it and life became easier.
     
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  12. MistWolf

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    I threw in the vertical split thing because rant momentum carried me there. Yep. Rant momentum.
     
  13. Skylerbone

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    I used to hate them too and despite my success with many a Warne I loathe their bloated appearance. The Talley vertical splits I can appreciate the sveltness of and that they’re tough as nails.

    My weird dislike of Standard Mounts stems from a base that was glassed in and stuck. Completely my own fault for not using enough release agent but with modern lightweight alternatives I’ve made the divorce permanent.
     
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  14. Resist Evil

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    I'm sorry I haven't been back to the thread for a few days. I was expecting email notifications of new posts, but that didn't happen so I thought I posted a thread of low interest. I'm glad I came back.. Thanks to your suggestions, I've got a place to start in making adjustments because I don't want to start cutting. As for the scope, it was expensive for me to buy in those days and I'm retired now. I like both the clarity and the unique bright reticle of the scope. Thank you for your responses.
     
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  15. MistWolf

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    Skylerbone, I don't like vertical split rings because, for me, they make installing a scope with the reticle properly aligned more difficult.
     
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