Henry Mares Leg and Legal question

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So this post is two fold in purpose. One purpose is to comment on Henry Repeating arms and their firearms, and secondly to as a legal question.

So first off, I recently purchased a used Henry Mare’s Leg (or mares leg if Mare’s Leg is copyrighted?) in .22lr. I didn’t need it, I’m just currently without a .22 and I was offered one in a cash and trade deal for something I was getting rid of. I bought the item (of irrelevant nature) in question for $30 a few years back, and added that to $80 cash and picked up the mares leg. It came with a broken handle but it was still functional so I figured what the hey, not much for the metal part of the gun and I should be able to fix or replace the stock right?

I searched around for replacement stocks, regrettably after buying the pistol, and couldn’t find any. So, I contacted Henry to see if I could order directly from them by phone or something since they didn’t list it on their website. I emailed at about 11pm at night and before 8am the next morning I had a response thanking me for purchasing a Henry rifle and informing me that if I would provide the S/N and a mailing address I’d have a free stock in the mail soon.

That’s incredible customer service in my book. I’m a second hand (at least) owner, with no receipt or other means of dating the age of the gun, and the gun was broken by the previous owner (tripped and fell on it supposedly, I don’t know what to think of that...). Needless to say I’m quite pleased, the gun is in good overall shape, just needed the new stock/grip and needs a little surface rust (only visible in the right light) cleaned off and it’ll look like new.

Now to the legal question. I know that putting a full size stock on my mares leg would make it an SBR, don’t have the time and money to stamp it so that’s not gonna happen. I also know that you can’t convert a rifle to a pistol, once serialized as a rifle it’s a rifle for life unless you stamp it as an SBR then you can have a pistol length barrel on it. However, someone recently told me, and I’m not sure of the legality of this, that if you have a pistol you can add a permanently attached muzzle device (such as a faux suppressor or bloop tube or flash suppressor or etc....) and a stock and it becomes a legal rifle. Presuming I have a gunsmith pin or hot solder (it has to be like 1100 degrees I think) a muzzle device on it extending it from 12.9 inches to 16+ inches and the whole device then exceeds 26~ inches I should be legal to then attach a stock and have a legal rifle right? Baring of course some state law against such conversions.

I’m pretty confident that I’ll love the gun, but I want to know my options if I decide I think it’s awkward to have what feels like a cut down rifle as a pistol. Thanks guys!
 
Yup! If you have the barrel "permanently" lengthened to greater than 16" and you add a stock that brings the overall length to at least 26", you're totally legal.
 
You will feel awkward with it. Sell it once it's repaired and buy yourself something you actually want. They bring decent enough money to get a fair rifle, pistol, or revolver with what you get out of it.
 
Sam, thanks for clarifying that for me. I may do that if it's a good shooter instead of swapping in to another gun.
Kentucky, I've swapped through to many guns recently trying to find things that fit me well. I'm going to give it an honest go of it and see what happens.
 
Couldn't they supply the original stock/grip for the Mare's Leg? That way there would be no legal problems.

Technically, you could weld on a barrel extension, but remember to do that before you put on the butt stock so that you are never in possession of an SBR.

Jim
 
Make sure you use at least an 1 1/2" over tube to meet your 16" barrel. And don't forget to thread your barrel 1/2x28 and leave it in the tube so when you decide you want to suppress it will be ready to go without making a long rifle.
 
I would just ditch the mares leg. There are so many ways to run afoul of the BATF I wouldn't touch a mares leg with a 10 foot pole.

Read the letter regarding the Sig brace closely. The BATF doesn't say if you modify the brace. The letter clearly says if you intend to shoulder the Sig brace you are breaking the law. The same ruling would apply to the mares leg. Either make the mares leg an SBR or ditch it.
 
The letter clearly says if you intend to shoulder the Sig brace you are breaking the law.

Not exactly. They said if you DO shoulder it, it becomes an NFA "Firearm."

They also said if you intend to do that you should file a Form 1 to make and register that weapon.

Any person who intends to use a handgun stabilizing brace as a shoulder stock on a pistol (having a rifled barrel under 16 inches in length or a smooth bore firearm with a barrel under 18 inches in length) must first file an ATF Form 1 and pay the applicable tax because the resulting firearm will be subject to all provisions of the NFA.

The word "intend" there is used to mean simply, "if that's what you want this thing for, get your Form in first." But if you've got a SIG brace on your gun, the act of shouldering it IS the "redesigning" moment that puts you into NFA territory.
 
Couldn't they supply the original stock/grip for the Mare's Leg? That way there would be no legal problems.

Technically, you could weld on a barrel extension, but remember to do that before you put on the butt stock so that you are never in possession of an SBR.

Jim

They are sending the correct grip/stock, I was just pondering down the road if I don't like the feel. I'll likely make my own stock if I'm going to go to the trouble to get a barrel extension put on it, save little money and take a little more pride in the gun right?
 
They are sending the correct grip/stock, I was just pondering down the road if I don't like the feel. I'll likely make my own stock if I'm going to go to the trouble to get a barrel extension put on it, save little money and take a little more pride in the gun right?
For what you would spend doing all that you can get a tax stamp. Unless you are a master welder that has handled tempered metals I would not be welding on a gun barrel. You can silver solder on a gun barrel. You will anneal the metal to some degree but you can restore the hardness by dipping the metal in oil when you finish. You also add to the carbon content of the surface of the steel.
 
That just sounds like a royal cluster hump leave the mares leg a mares leg and if you want a full size henry 22 they are a whole $300 (about half of what it would cost to monkey with the mares leg)
 
Pretty much what I was thinking.
If you want a full-length stock & a 16-inch barrel, sell the ML & just buy a full-stocked 16-inch Henry. :)
Denis
 
Now to the legal question. I know that putting a full size stock on my mares leg would make it an SBR... However, someone recently told me, and I’m not sure of the legality of this, that if you have a pistol you can add a permanently attached muzzle device (such as a faux suppressor or bloop tube or flash suppressor or etc....) and a stock and it becomes a legal rifle. Presuming I have a gunsmith pin or hot solder (it has to be like 1100 degrees I think) a muzzle device on it extending it from 12.9 inches to 16+ inches and the whole device then exceeds 26~ inches I should be legal to then attach a stock and have a legal rifle right? Baring of course some state law against such conversions.

I’m pretty confident that I’ll love the gun, but I want to know my options if I decide I think it’s awkward to have what feels like a cut down rifle as a pistol. Thanks guys!

You would spend far more money making it into a rifle than it would cost you to sell it to someone who wants a Mare's Leg and buying a new rifle. In fact, you might come out buck$ up in the latter scenario? So I wouldn't worry about it.

PS: Henry/NEF has a great rep for customer service, as your post reconfirmed. Let's hope that never changes! :)
 
I have the Rossi Ranch hand in 357 magnum. Love it. Impractical as all get out.

Once you get your 22 repaired, try shooting it in a pseudo rifle position. One hand on the fore stock, one on the pistol grip, and a cheek weld. Nothing touching the shoulder. You might be surprised on the accuracy you can get.
 
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