Here's a touchy campus subject

[ar10]

Just curious how someone would handle this:
You are employed by a State University as a middle eastern studies teacher working toward a higher degree. You've traveled extensively throughout the Middle East, UAE, Syria, Saudia Arabia, Isreal, Turkey, Iraq, Lebanon, and some countries in Russia and Europe. You are not employed by any Government agency, you are a female and have had some threats against you.
There is a no carry law at the State Univeristies, yet you have a CHL and carry a small handgun most of the time. Considering the number of Middle Eastern students in US Universities the question is would you defy the ban and carry anyway or would you obey the rule and not carry a handgun.

 

[Oleg Volk]

I'd make a decision and not announce it to anyone at all.

 

[yhtomit]

a) self-defense, a basic human right, etc, whatever the laws.

b) that said, following the law is an option and a tendency (I think mostly a good one, in relatively free countries at least). If you care enough about the legality of carry to get the CCW, why carry illegally? (Complex motivations, sure ... I guess the odds are such that if you're stopped with a gun *off* campus, the CCW is smart to possess, but if you're stopped *on* campus and the matter is pursued, you'd lose the permit, eh?)

timothy

 

[tmajors]

Many States if you are simply made carrying (not pulling or anything) then the school *might* discipline you by sending you home for the day (or worse) but the AG of the State won't even look at the case as they don't consider it criminal.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[GhostlyKarliion]

I'd make a decision and not announce it to anyone at all.

Bingo.

If nothing ever happens then no one will know, if you need it then you will thank God that you had it, if you need it and didn't have it then you would regret it for the rest of you life (however long that is)

as Oleg said, make your decision yourself and don't tell anyone, that's probably the wisest course of action.

 

[MinnMooney]

Originally Posted by Oleg Volk
I'd make a decision and not announce it to anyone at all.

This is my thought, also.

P.S. Except I'll announce what I'd decide. I'd carry VERY discretely like deep concealment... even if it took a couple of extra nano-seconds to retrieve it. I wouldn't want to get fired.......... but better that than be dead.

 

[Gordon Fink]

So the threats came during her foreign travels, but she is worried about her current students? The right to arms aside, I don’t see the connection.

~G. Fink

 

[bogie]

I'd get an attack hogzilla.

 

[kd7nqb]

Which does this person value more, life or Job.

to me its that simple.

 

[209]

For me, it would depend on the state and what exactly their laws say, but that's me. I have an aversion to being in court on a felony.

The state I'm in has no state law regarding carry on a state university, there's just university policy prohibiting possession at the various SUs. Since those policy violations are handled differently at each of the five universities in the state, I can only vouch for how one of them would handle it.

That would be:
If you weren't in violation of any state law (had a permit to carry which is required by law, etc) and just in violation of the policy, it'd be an internal issue dealt with by Human Resources. If you were a professor with tenure, it'd be resolved in accordance with the professor's union contract and oversight from the faculty senate.

Knowing most of the professors in the one school I have knowledge of, you'd not get much support from your peers, though.

 

[DMK]

I'd make a decision and not announce it to anyone at all.

Definitely don't do what this guy did:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=283879

 

[Dravur]

I would not...

1. buy a Kel-Tec P3AT pistol or some other small, easily deep concealed pistol.
2. find a way to deep conceal it.
3. tell anyone about this.
4. go unarmed.

2 of the 4 are things I would not do, two are. You decide.

 

[jlbraun]

As added insurance to carrying and not telling anyone, I would make a record of the threats, and mail them to myself in a certified mail envelope to establish that I had been threatened before I started carrying.

 

[Torghn]

Move to Utah, it's perfectly legal to carry on University campuses here.

In reality it may not be practical, but I do like to brag that we are the only state in the Union where you can legally carry a firearm on campus.

 

[atomicferret]

In reality it may not be practical, but I do like to brag that we are the only state in the Union where you can legally carry a firearm on campus.

Why would it not be practical? I carry everyday on campus. I decided that I would not be a victim. I know of many other students, and some teachers, that have made the same desicion.

I do hate the liberal, hippie mentality that those who have decided to protect themselves will somehow become a part of the problem.

 

[Correia]

In reality it may not be practical, but I do like to brag that we are the only state in the Union where you can legally carry a firearm on campus.

I've taught a slew of college students. I don't see how it is any more impractical for them, than any other normal person, to carry a gun.

In fact, see my sig line. I've taught about 30 college students so far this month, for free. I want so many Utah students and faculty carrying that schools no longer have a big target painted on them.

As for the original question, I carried a gun in violation of university policy for five years.

 

[Correia]

Oh, that was Atomicferret posting above. I was wondering how PvtPyle was posting today. Darn FBMG store computer.

 

[SSN Vet]

concealed is as concealed does

 

[Alex45ACP]

Considering the number of Middle Eastern students in US Universities

And that has what to do with anything?

 

[Torghn]

Why would it not be practical? I carry everyday on campus. I decided that I would not be a victim. I know of many other students, and some teachers, that have made the same desicion.

I meant moving to Utah may not be practical.

 

[Correia]

Dude, Utah rocks!

We've got great seasons (hot and snow). We're world renowned for our cultural diversity (jello salads), entertainment (MoTab), and thought-provoking political debate (Rocky Anderson is a doody head).

 

[jlbraun]

I do like to brag that we are the only state in the Union where you can legally carry a firearm on campus

Actually, Colorado State recognizes the right of students and faculty to CCW. You just can't keep a gun in your dorm room.

 

[Cpl Nobbs]

is it a law or a policy? that can make a huge difference. our local U has a no firearms policy (despite no mention of post secondary in the schools section of the relevent law) and until recently it only applied to staff and students.

I would double check and see which. otherwise. another vote for Oleg's statement.

 

[Cpl Nobbs]

By Law Idaho allows CCW and ownership on campus (no laws about firearms and post secondary schools) but they have now banned all firearms as policy at the U of I (which is currently being reviewed by the AG's office if they can get up the courage to issue a decision after 2 months review)

 

[swacje41]

It is interesting to see the number of "honest, law-abiding gun owners" that so quickly advocate breaking the law and the excuses they give for doing so. So, are you so afraid that it is worth becoming a known criminal? If so, you might want to consider another line of work. You might also contact your administration, and explain your fears to them. Top administrators frequently have the authority to waive such rules.