The other thread prompted me to really wonder if NFA owners, or at least the ones here, join the National Rifle Association. If you are an owner of an NFA item I'm curious if you joined the NRA and why. If you did join the NRA, I want to know point blank, do you believe the NRA supports your ownership of those items? If you joined the NRA and you also own NFA items, I'm curious how you reconcile the fact that the NRA has supported bans and controls over the item(s) you own. Do you agree with those controls/bans? (I have met many NFA owners who DO agree with the bans/controls on their items which is why I ask).
Hey NFA owners, are you also NRA members?
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BeltfedMG
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NO and never will.
I am an annual NRA member, but mostly so I can compete in NRA HP and long range matches.
GOA represents my interests, even if they are occasionally wacky, so I am a life member there.
I don't believe the NRA brass honestly thinks people should own machine guns. Although they've gotten better over the past few years, they're still mostly a hunter rights organization.
(edit: my stamp collection is around $1600 at the moment, but i have some stuff pending)
GOA represents my interests, even if they are occasionally wacky, so I am a life member there.
I don't believe the NRA brass honestly thinks people should own machine guns. Although they've gotten better over the past few years, they're still mostly a hunter rights organization.
(edit: my stamp collection is around $1600 at the moment, but i have some stuff pending)
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I currently own 17 NFA items (with more on the way) and I am not an NRA member. I used to be, until I called and asked for their stance on NFA items.
The answer soured me enough to never renew my membership.
That sums it up.
Also, I do not support the NFA being in existence. I don't see the idea behind a short barreled rifle being illegal, but pistols are legal, etc. Even though I own a bunch of NFA items, I'd gladly lose the investment for the more widespread use of such items as silencers.
The answer soured me enough to never renew my membership.
That sums it up.
Also, I do not support the NFA being in existence. I don't see the idea behind a short barreled rifle being illegal, but pistols are legal, etc. Even though I own a bunch of NFA items, I'd gladly lose the investment for the more widespread use of such items as silencers.
Do you mean the same NRA that helped pass through the 1986 Mcclure Volkmer Act aka (FOPA) Firearm owners protection ACT ?
That NRA ?
HELL NO.
I was a member for many years but after the NRA gave away our rights I burnt my membership card and my scrambled egg hat.
Other hits with the terms listed above.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...rs+protection+ACT+NRA+helped+pass&btnG=Search
That NRA ?
HELL NO.
I was a member for many years but after the NRA gave away our rights I burnt my membership card and my scrambled egg hat.
Other hits with the terms listed above.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...rs+protection+ACT+NRA+helped+pass&btnG=Search
Bill2e
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Educate me, how did the NRA give away our rights? Everything I read about the Hughs amendment has nothing to do with the NRA. I must read more, as I am an NRA member, but I severly pissed at the hughs amendment and some of the stupidity in our gun laws. What did the NRA get under McClure-Volkmer?
Hk91-762mm
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I am sad to hear you guys dont belong to the NRA.
I am a Lifer-I joined life when Billy was pushing gun bans -!
Its is a shame that NO one supports repealing the 68gca and new manufacture of Mgs. Id love to have a bunch of NFA goodies .
But Its really hard to get any MG rights when your tying to keep the rights we have --Yes I think the NRA should have worked harder to protect MGs -BUT they are not the only org out there -You guys wont belong to the NRA but what did the other orgs do for you ??? Talk a talk but they have no power to do anything to help you ,,,Kinda Like NY state senator --Oh We would love to help gun owners -But were out numbered in the senate-! Yeaa yeaa .
The NRA has taken out Millions of dollars in ads fighting Yomomma, No one else has -OR could.the NRA is 4 million members Write letters to the NRA staff asking them to take the fight up for NFA items[Hey who is actually doing something to help you --I hear silence ]
Become a voting member and vote in PRO-MG board members[I'm sure the nuge supports MGs]
Lastly I'm sorry to say its kinda like the Guys who own fancy Bolt rifles and Superpose shotguns --They will not lift a finger to save my assault rifles-same with most gunnies they dont have -Cant afford a MG in ther wildest dreams -So they say screwwwwwit Let them take Mgs and That will feed the dog for awhile [until it gets hungry again then feed it AWs]
Pleas rejoin -get your friends to rejoin -join other orgs too! Most of all get everyone you know to go vote In the elections and vote for good NRA staff.
If you can afford cans -and belt feds =you can afford to join the nra..
I am a Lifer-I joined life when Billy was pushing gun bans -!
Its is a shame that NO one supports repealing the 68gca and new manufacture of Mgs. Id love to have a bunch of NFA goodies .
But Its really hard to get any MG rights when your tying to keep the rights we have --Yes I think the NRA should have worked harder to protect MGs -BUT they are not the only org out there -You guys wont belong to the NRA but what did the other orgs do for you ??? Talk a talk but they have no power to do anything to help you ,,,Kinda Like NY state senator --Oh We would love to help gun owners -But were out numbered in the senate-! Yeaa yeaa .
The NRA has taken out Millions of dollars in ads fighting Yomomma, No one else has -OR could.the NRA is 4 million members Write letters to the NRA staff asking them to take the fight up for NFA items[Hey who is actually doing something to help you --I hear silence ]
Become a voting member and vote in PRO-MG board members[I'm sure the nuge supports MGs]
Lastly I'm sorry to say its kinda like the Guys who own fancy Bolt rifles and Superpose shotguns --They will not lift a finger to save my assault rifles-same with most gunnies they dont have -Cant afford a MG in ther wildest dreams -So they say screwwwwwit Let them take Mgs and That will feed the dog for awhile [until it gets hungry again then feed it AWs]
Pleas rejoin -get your friends to rejoin -join other orgs too! Most of all get everyone you know to go vote In the elections and vote for good NRA staff.
If you can afford cans -and belt feds =you can afford to join the nra..
Gunnerpalace
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The story as I was told was the wrote a check their rear could not cash,
They told Reagan (who was apprehensive to sign it with that provision) they could beat it in court.......And here we are.
Now we have to wait 20 more years for incorporation and staving off AWB's before we can get a test case. (so says the armchair lawyers), In reality we just need a member with deeeep pockets and a crack legal team.
Bill2e
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DID it ever go to the courts?
Gunnerpalace
Member
That is just it I don't know, I have not seen any case, and on the night vote alone that should be fertile grounds for a suit.
Yes and yes.
The NRA may not be optimal for NFA owners, but they do work to protect interests of the pro-gun community, and in that endeavor I fully support them. You see, I like all sorts of guns, ammo, and mags; that includes bolt actions, shotguns, and handguns too. Its not just about machine guns to me. Lets put it like this - what good is owning a machine gun if you can only buy neutered 10rd mags to feed it?
The NRA may not be optimal for NFA owners, but they do work to protect interests of the pro-gun community, and in that endeavor I fully support them. You see, I like all sorts of guns, ammo, and mags; that includes bolt actions, shotguns, and handguns too. Its not just about machine guns to me. Lets put it like this - what good is owning a machine gun if you can only buy neutered 10rd mags to feed it?
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Piecing together what happened is difficult because the nra goes out of it's way to NOT talk about what happened in 1986, in a way that honestly makes it look like they have a lot to hide. I can't find a peep on any nra website. It's as if 1986 didn't happen.That being said, I have to say wow Gunnerpalace, I hadn't heard that they told Reagan that. Ho-ly smoke man, if that is true then, woa. I was always under the impression that Reagan not only didn't care about NFA owners but he was glad to sign the ban. Holy sh**. There is a real possibility that Reagan didn't care and that he believed the nra when they said they could beat it in court.
I think it bears repeating, especially as you look at what I just wrote, that there sure is a lot of secrecy about what happened in 1986. The secrecy ALONE is enough for gun owners to be demanding answers from the nra before they send in membership checks. Furthermore, the secrecy is so bad that for years I didn't even know about Hughes' involvement or that it was called the Hughes amendment (despite my attempts at research). If it weren't for Gun Owners of America, and their newsletter I was reading, I wouldn't have ever heard of it. This whole thing just pisses me off.
Yes, I've heard that from many sources over the years. There is a real possibility that the Hughes amendment was never even legally passed. Somebody needs to do a thorough investigation of the mclure/hughes/nra treason in 1986, put it all in one place, whether it be book or website so we can get the truth out to gun owners.
A sincere thank you to all the NFA owners who have posted in this thread and shed light on the massive treason which has gutted our rights.
BeltfedMG
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The nra personally came to court to fight against me when i was a member and the plaintiffs were not members, we tried gettin them to help us but they wouldnt, it all boils down to the money. I won the case anyway, screw the nra, like i said i hope they run out of members and the organization just dissapears, to be no more. I cant wish enough bad things on them. F&%K THE nra!
freakshow10mm
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I was a life member but canceled and got a full refund. The NRA is a joke.
Here's some interesting (angering) info of the NRA at the NFA hearing. Enlightening to say the least. The NRA never was and never will be "for" NFA weapons of any kind. Ever.
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/NRA/NFA.htm
Here's some interesting (angering) info of the NRA at the NFA hearing. Enlightening to say the least. The NRA never was and never will be "for" NFA weapons of any kind. Ever.
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/NRA/NFA.htm
Mike OTDP
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Yes, Life member.
I don't expect the NRA to be perfect, but they are the flagship 2nd Amendment organization.
I would dearly love to see someone organize a true NFA Owners Association to represent those issues specifically. The problem would be that such a group would probably not have more than 50% support. There are too many conflicting opinions inside the community.
I don't expect the NRA to be perfect, but they are the flagship 2nd Amendment organization.
I would dearly love to see someone organize a true NFA Owners Association to represent those issues specifically. The problem would be that such a group would probably not have more than 50% support. There are too many conflicting opinions inside the community.
dogrunner
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I'm a 'Lifer" too.............and I intend to stay that way. To add to it I also picked up the same membership for a worthy 12 year old.
Frankly, all you nay-sayers are a foolish lot. Mike, OTDP said it rightly, it IS the flagship organization, and NO it isn't perfect by any means, but what the devil is?
The way I see it, if an organization displeases you but still at its core reflects basic values, then you work to influence change for the better. The simple truth is that without the NRA we'd also have common handguns listed on the NFA registry, the AWB would have been permanent, and nearly every draconian anti's 'wet dream' piece of legislation would be law.
Say what you will, I am and intend to stay NRA!
Frankly, all you nay-sayers are a foolish lot. Mike, OTDP said it rightly, it IS the flagship organization, and NO it isn't perfect by any means, but what the devil is?
The way I see it, if an organization displeases you but still at its core reflects basic values, then you work to influence change for the better. The simple truth is that without the NRA we'd also have common handguns listed on the NFA registry, the AWB would have been permanent, and nearly every draconian anti's 'wet dream' piece of legislation would be law.
Say what you will, I am and intend to stay NRA!
One of the basic values I consider is that civilian, normal, happy citizens of this country have the fundamental right to firearms. That includes felons who are not incarcerated and have had their civil liberties restored.
Firearms include machineguns.
The final straw for me was seeing an NRA-sponsored ad for the "Project Safe Streets" nonsense out here a few years back - the gist of the ad was 'These types of weapons have no place in your neighborhood' and pictured AKs and encouraged people to report "illegal guns" (of which it was strongly hinted at that the AK was one) to the police or the 800 number listed.
They represent *some* core values that I find valuable, but are the antithesis of others, and history speaks louder than the silence from the organization other than "We do not support machinegun owners."
husbandofaromanian
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I own 2 silencers and no I am not a member of the NRA or any other organization. I don't even give money to the constition party who I think very highly of.
Gunnerpalace
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He did but from what my understanding of what others have said on the issue, the ATF was doing what they were doing now but more so, and FOPA
(at that time) would stop it, so when this (922o) was snuck in the NRA must have wanted the raids to stop (a honorable cause) and saw this as a small price that they could beat, now SCOTUS has said common use as I said earlier, we need a wealthy person who is not a nut to file a case.
Also remember the board back then probably had a few Mr. Phoenix's on it, A letter writing campaign NOW would be advantageous, especially with the elections near, we just need to coordinate with the other sites on this.
freakshow10mm
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Actually the Hughes amendment was added at the last minute. Regan had no clue it was in there when he signed it. He learned about it afterwards.
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