Hey NFA owners, are you also NRA members?

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I'm an annual member. They aren't perfect and have been more involved in things related to hunting but I think they are changing their tune after seeing how people felt about Zumbo's comments, and the fallout. There is a new generation of members that are replacing the baby boomers...and they want M4s.
Love them or hate them, they are the gun owner's only 800lb gorilla in Washington. If you don't support them, let them know why. I think they'd like to get another half a million members by going to bat for NFA owners. I like the "NO compromise" stance of the GOA, JPFO, and others more, but they just don't have the strength (yet) to do things on the scale the NRA can.
In reality we just need a member with deeeep pockets and a crack legal team.
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Is there any possibility of a class action type suit or does that have to be an individual? I'd gladly contribute to a legal fund to fight the Hughes amendment and due to the circumstances of how it was passed I think it could be knocked out of the park. Get the word out and I'm sure a fund of several million dollars could easily be raised to fight it by NFA owners.
 
If you don't support them, let them know why.
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Been doing so for over a decade now.

Responses from their folks have ranged from 'why the heck do you want that? Nobody needs those' to 'You can't hunt with it' to a shrug.

I'm reminded of the 2007 CNN roundtable with Glen Beck, the NRA public relations fool (Cox), and the Brady Bunch (HELMKE):

"BECK: We`ve already had that. We don`t put NASCARs onto highways and we don`t put machine guns into the hands of people, either.

HELMKE: That`s an interesting issue because there was a machine gun in effect ban that was passed by the federal government in 1934. What`s the NRA`s impression of that?

BECK: Chris, Chris.

HELMKE: How about the Brady Bill?

BECK: Chris, are you for fully automatic machine guns?

COX: We`ve never advocated fully automatic machine guns and Paul knows it." full transcript
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That's right, never.
 
I'd gladly contribute to a legal fund to fight the Hughes amendment and due to the circumstances of how it was passed I think it could be knocked out of the park.
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Problem is that decades have passed surrounding the circumstances now. NRA has remained silent, it's become the stated policy of the organization that they do not support machineguns.

We have a chance with how Heller was worded to get a foot in the door....but that's a complicated issue.

Too many NFA owners are afraid of wiping out their investments worth 4 and 5 figures per weapon.

I'll gladly depreciate everything I own to get rid of the '86 ban - but self-interest will reign supreme.
 
I'm working toward my first NFA toy (The root of all evil is my hurdle - money), but no, I'm not a member of the NRA, and never will be.

In fact, I'd disown anyone who bought me a membership.
 
When the NRAS supported the NFA in the 1930s, it is important to realize that they were not the political lobby they are today. The NRA then was more of an organization dedicated to marksmanship competition and training. In 1986, there was a lot more to gain than loose with the FOPA.

Yes, the NRA uses us a sacrificial lambs at times, but in the end, its usually worth it.
 
Part of the issue is that there is so very much misinformation out there concerning NFA. Most people have NO clue about the legalities of NFA.

On top of this, there are serious divisions within the NFA community regarding what is to be done. One faction will argue for complete deregulation, another would be content to ditch 922(o) and straighten out the NFRTR

As I mentioned before, we need a dedicated NFA Owner's Association.

FWIW, I would settle for ditching 922(o) and fixing the NFRTR...but we might need to pull a "throw me into the briar patch" trick to get it. Something along the lines of "We're really going to sock it to those MG owners - we'll put a tax of a thousand dollars on the manufacture of new machineguns!"
 
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There is a NFA collectors association. Forgot the actual name. They are listed in SAR magazine all the time.
 
Sounds like a real 'high profile' and effective lobbying organization, Freakshow.

Think I'll stay with the NRA...........leastways they scare the Dem/Libs!
 
Giving up my rights so you can have yours isn't how this works.
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Ditto. By attacking the NRA, you are attacking the one organization that has been tremendously successful in preserving my rights.
 
Too many NFA owners are afraid of wiping out their investments worth 4 and 5 figures per weapon.
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Not True Not True

A poll of NFA owners indicated OVERWHELMING support for nuking 922o,

(mostly so they can add to their collection ;) )

Well I suppose if I got on the NRA board I could talk some sense into these people (I can be very annoying when I want). But how do I do that?
 
The NRA never was and never will be "for" NFA weapons of any kind. Ever.

Thats Like saying a Hunting org should work to protect Assault rifles .!
I assume there are MG and NFA weapons clubs and organisations --Why dot you send them money and send them others to join???
My thoughts are WHAT did the Machine gunners assocation do for you guys ??
 
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Too many NFA owners are afraid of wiping out their investments worth 4 and 5 figures per weapon.
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Really? Are you sure about that? I have got enough money invested in machine guns to be considered obscene by many.

I regularly shoot with people that have got 10 times or more than I do invested. And none of us ever wishes that the ban would stay in effect because we are afraid of losing money.

If you live in Maine or somewhere close by then please come to an MG shoot with me. You will meet 150 or more people who would all gladly give up their "investments" for the chance to buy lots of new fully automatic weapons.

I can guarantee you that I would gladly lose a ton of money to be able to buy a new full auto Glock, or maybe an M240. :) And if you are interested I can hook you up with tons of people who would do the same.
 
I regularly shoot with people that have got 10 times or more than I do invested. And none of us ever wishes that the ban would stay in effect because we are afraid of losing money.
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I have to agree with that 100%. My stamp collection is worth into the 6-figure territory and I'd walk away from it in a heartbeat to be able to get new stuff. And most the guys I shoot with feel the same - even those with far more than I do. We pay huge money for this stuff because we simply enjoy shooting and collecting guns, NOT for investment purposes.
 
Funny thing is, a large number of people think the so called AWB has something to do full auto firearms instead of pistol grips, bayonet lugs, and barrel shrouds.

I've had to explain that it has nothing to do with full auto weapons to more than one person.

I am in the NRA and would love to own some NFA items. However, I will not own anything unless the MG registry opens. From what I have read on here it seems like the NRA has thrown NFA owners under the bus.

If the NRA will not back opening the registry or eliminating the NFA, what organization would? I'm not aware of any powerful alternative that has the clout the NRA does.
Even though, I've had someone ask me if I was one of those crazy NRA people, whatever that means. I guess the NRA has somewhat of a tarnished image where the media tries to make people think the NRA is just gun toting rednecks who watch NASCAR.
 
Really? Are you sure about that? I have got enough money invested in machine guns to be considered obscene by many.
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Again, going by what I've seen. People who go to shoots are going to be a hair different.

I'd like to think better but I've seen it as a division.

I'll give up my 5 figures for a removal of the '86 stupidity in a heartbeat - but I don't expect most people to do it when push comes to shove.
 
I have met many NFA owners who DO agree with the bans/controls on their items which is why I ask
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Interesting statement. I have been in the NFA game since the early 80's and I have never met a single person that actually OWNED an NFA weapon that was in favor of any kind of controls or limitations at all.

Frankly I am gonna call BS on your statement that you know "many" that do. So that means you are either making it up as you go or you have some hidden agenda.

I'll give up my 5 figures for a removal of the '86 stupidity in a heartbeat - but I don't expect most people to do it when push comes to shove.
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I've never met anyone that actually shoots the guns that is unwilling to give up all the value to have Hughes gone, myself included.
 
Interesting statement. I have been in the NFA game since the early 80's and I have never met a single person that actually OWNED an NFA weapon that was in favor of any kind of controls or limitations at all.

Frankly I am gonna call BS on your statement that you know "many" that do. So that means you are either making it up as you go or you have some hidden agenda.
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I've met some people with that mentality. I've experienced several dealers that will preach about the benefits of the firearms being good investments, the exclusivity of ownership, how you are pretty much better that everyone else. Well, when I would acquire about obtaining a NFA firearm, they will change their tune and say how I would need a CLEO signature, open myself up to warrantless searches by the local police/ATF, liability, and LONG transfer times. I'm familiar with those type of people.

Answering the original questions, yes I'm a member of the NRA.
 
Too many NFA owners are afraid of wiping out their investments worth 4 and 5 figures per weapon.

I'll gladly depreciate everything I own to get rid of the '86 ban - but self-interest will reign supreme.
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Everytime that issue is brought up every NFA owner's reply I've heard is they would be more than glad to lose the value so they could add many other squirt guns to their collection, and in addition they don't seem to think very highly of folks who own MGs for financial investments instead of shooting enjoyment. Although they have gone up in value since '86 they are an extremely risky investment for the returns you get, not to mention actually shooting the thing is like taking your $400k barrett-jackson hot rod racing.
I can't afford a MG yet but if I ever do it sure won't be as an investment I expect a return on. Suppressors would be the dumbest investments ever yet they are the most popular.

Here's a link to the NFA Owner's Association: http://www.nfaoa.org/ It doesn't look like a very big group of folks, but then again there aren't a lot of NFA owners compared to gun owners.
 
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