jayjaypunisher
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you get what you pay for, there's alot better built pistols for not much more money out there IMO, my experience with one was a buddies and it was literally dangerous to shoot
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mgmorden
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More than a few people have shot them out in that amount of usage. It's basically just a matter of materials. With a zinc slide they will not wear as well as a gun with steel parts (and ET you might check your slide disassembled with a magnet - AFAIK the slides on Hi Points have never been made of steel).
Now, true to their warranty, in each case that I've heard Hi Point has always replaced the worn out pistol free of charge, but still, a bit of a hassle. Not saying it's a bad gun. Most people will never shoot 3000 rounds out of a gun anyways - I will though because I shoot a lot, and the Hi Point is not a gun that's really meant to be shot a lot. As a decent reliable self defense gun on a budget, it's ok. My cousin has one that I've shot a good deal. It's accurate enough, and it's never jammed on me (or for him to my knowledge). The magazine spring did snap in two after shooting 150-200 rounds through it though. Rather than bother with shipping, he bought a new magazine and it's running again.
CajunBass
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Do you think people don't already know this? Wow. If I spend more money I can get something better. What an epiphany! I could say that about most any gun, car, boat, toothbrush or toaster I've ever owned.
I don't know how many rounds it takes to wear one out. I got bored with mine after 2,000 and quit shooting it. It's as tight today as the day I got it.
Carl N. Brown
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TDWise357 #2 "Had the .45acp. Loved it!! shot several hundred rounds of fmj ammo and several hp rounds as well. Never had a single problem with it."
No. no, no. You need to spend $1,000+ on a 1911 clone then come on the forum and ask everyone for advice on how to make it feed hp and lock open properly on the last round of fmj. And do not use "pretty" and "HiPoint" in the same sentence. HiPoint is an ugly good gun for the money.
No. no, no. You need to spend $1,000+ on a 1911 clone then come on the forum and ask everyone for advice on how to make it feed hp and lock open properly on the last round of fmj. And do not use "pretty" and "HiPoint" in the same sentence. HiPoint is an ugly good gun for the money.
wgaynor
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"For a little more money you can buy a used quality firearm. "
I guess that is where we differ in opinions then friend. I view my C9 as a good quality firearm.
I guess that is where we differ in opinions then friend. I view my C9 as a good quality firearm.
mcdonl
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Do you guys date your guns or something? I do not get this whole "ugly" or "pretty" gun thing. Is it some queer eye for the gun guy thing or something?
Which is a prettier hammer, an estwing or a craftsman?
Which is a prettier hammer, an estwing or a craftsman?
IdahoSkies
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Handled some, almost bought one, never fired one.
But there warranty is second to none. No questions asked, applies to whoever owns the gun, at any time in its life. The warranty alone is worth $100.00.
But there warranty is second to none. No questions asked, applies to whoever owns the gun, at any time in its life. The warranty alone is worth $100.00.
JR47
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That style of drive-by posting requires little thought, and little proof of what you spoke.
There are a lot better built pistols than anything normally owned, until you get to Korth and Koriphilla pistols. Until, and unless, YOU own them, take your own advice and upgrade to real weapons from that fitted with a hacksaw, and finished with a rasp Baer, Wilson, and S&W Custom Shop garbage.
See, it works just as well on the Sacred Cow group.
mcdonl
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I knew a buddy that said 1911's caused spontaneous pneumothorax. Stay away from them, you could die.
Christcorp
I could not have said that better myself...
They make great sense as a nightstand/car/truck gun.
Ugly as sin but reliable and accurate....inexpensive because extremely basic rudimental design (blowback, no frills)....an no advertising in glossy magazines and gun shows...
I would never carry one because of the weight/size/shape issue and the rudimental action (striker fired, almost no safety).
For a person on an extremely tight budget they are a perfect solution, however for carry I would still look for something else in the used market.
Another thing to consider...if what we hope it will never happen does indeed happen, even in the best of circumstances, your gun will get taken away from the police at least for a while....how you feel about that if that gun is your pimped-up 1911 your spent half month of your salary (if not more) to buy??
I could not have said that better myself...
They make great sense as a nightstand/car/truck gun.
Ugly as sin but reliable and accurate....inexpensive because extremely basic rudimental design (blowback, no frills)....an no advertising in glossy magazines and gun shows...
I would never carry one because of the weight/size/shape issue and the rudimental action (striker fired, almost no safety).
For a person on an extremely tight budget they are a perfect solution, however for carry I would still look for something else in the used market.
Another thing to consider...if what we hope it will never happen does indeed happen, even in the best of circumstances, your gun will get taken away from the police at least for a while....how you feel about that if that gun is your pimped-up 1911 your spent half month of your salary (if not more) to buy??
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pikid89
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you could prob find a used ruger p95 or similar for high 200s or low 3s if you do your hw
I didn't think I would cause this much trouble just asking if High Points were good or bad for the money. I am new here and don't really know the ropes yet. To me it sounds like the High Points are a lot like Lee loading equipment good value for the money. I will probably stir up another hornets nest by saying that. I just purchased my first Lee product (their case trimmer setup for 243 and 6mm) and I must say for the price it is a quality item and does what its advertised to do. Now if High Points are like Lee I will buy their pistols. I can't see spending $500 or more for something to plink around with when there are other options out there for a lot less money and I don't care how ugly it is. Frankly like one poster said there are some ugly S&W, Glocks and others out there too.
christcorp
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Yea, and you could probably find a used glock for the mid 300s to mid 400s. Or, you could find a used sig p220 for mid 500s or mid 600s.
High 200s or low 300s is STILL NOT $159 for a Hi-Point C-9 9mm. And the "Shooting Quality" (Meaning, it will go bang when you want/need it to, and it will hit what you aim at) is JUST AS GOOD as the vast majority of the other guns. e.g. ruger, taurus, glock, s&w, sig, colt, springfield, etc...
I know of some CHEAP guns that I don't trust. Guns that I've shot numerous models and they continually have issues. I don't trust them. But Hi-Point isn't one of them. And you'll NEVER FIND a quorum or even a significant amount of hi-point owners/shooters that will tell you that they've had issues with them. You will find some people who didn't have any luck with them. Some are isolated, some simply don't know how to follow instructions. But if you compare a hi-point forum to an S&W forum, or glock, or sig, or etc... forum; I'll bet you that you will find the same type percentage (OR LESS) of people starting threads that start with words like "Help, How do I..., Why do this.... etc..." In other words, you'll find very few threads of hi-point owners with problems. No more than you will in a sig, colt, glock, etc... forum
Sorry, but there hasn't been 1 person on any hi-point thread in this or any other forum that has been able to provide any substantial reasoning against a hi-point. Now, if you don't like the looks, don't like the feel, don't like how it shoots, don't like the weight, don't like the magazine capacity, or ANY OTHER ATTRIBUTE of the gun; then that is personal preference, and that is TOTALLY 100% acceptable and a perfectly good reason to not have one. But when people comment on the quality or reliability of the hi-point as being bad, without any "REAL" evidence, then they are talking out of something other than their mouth.
My first gun was a used C-9. Only paid $100 for it. Never had one problem with it and passed it forward to my brother when he came of age who still shoots it. Still no problems.
It's been a reliable shooter. I now own better guns. The hi-point slept in the night stand while I saved the money for the better guns. No regrets.
It's been a reliable shooter. I now own better guns. The hi-point slept in the night stand while I saved the money for the better guns. No regrets.
KodiakBeer
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People used to say that about Yugo's...
It isn't just reliability. Most people say that most of them shoot reliably, most of the time... But, you're still looking at something made of zinc and plastic with an enormous clunky top-heavy slide to counter the fact that it's a blow back gun instead of a locked breech. It's not ergonomic, it's not pretty, it's not durable and for the same money (or just a little more) you can hunt down an old beater taurus (insert brand name here) revolver or semi in a pawn shop that will shoot rings around a hi-point.
The Hi-Point is the 21st century answer to the Sten gun. The British knocked them out for about $12 each and they worked most of the time if you didn't top off the mag or try and shoot them full-auto, and when they jammed you cleared them and went on. When it broke (which it would soon do), you threw it away and got issued another one.
If the British army had been able to get MP40's or Thompson's for a few bucks more from pawn shops, they'd have never issued the Sten. They couldn't do that, but we can.
Agree....For carry, even on a tight budget, I would look for something different.
Define durability.....typical user is not looking at firing 20.000 rounds with it nor plunge in the Bolivian jungle with it...for its intended purposes a typical Hi-Point maybe will see 50-100 boxes of ammo in its entire life....very reliable within that parameters....many HP already clocked several thousands of rounds with no issues.
Again, define "shoot rings".....ergonomics?? For sure...Carryability?? Absolutely...accuracy and reliability?? Big assumption on your side here....too many variables, the brand of the used handgun, its conditions, etc...for example, I would necessarily trust some old Taurus over a brand new HP....
Hi-Points have their niche market and they are perfect in that segment.....small defensive weapon for people on a very tight budget to put in their nighstand drawer or glovebox.
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KodiakBeer
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Can't really argue with that. If the purpose is for a person on a low budget to have a gun on their nightstand, then why not? Run a box of ammo through it, clean it and forget about it until you need it.
Personally though, I'd still hit the pawn shops and buy an old Charter Arms beater (or whatever) before I'd buy a zinc and plastic gun to trust my life to.
Just for a lark, I went over to gunsamerica and found Mossberg pumps for as low as $125, S&W .38's for $300...
You can buy a Feg in 9x18 for $150 new, a Mak for $200...
It just doesn't make sense to me.
SwampWolf
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I guess if you have to ask, you'll never know. If you can't distinguish in terms of intrinsic aesthetics between, say a Smith & Wesson Model 945 and a typical Hi-Point, well nothing anybody can add will make any difference to you. Too bad, really.
mcdonl
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Just because you like to distinguish in terms of intrinsic aesthetics does not mean that someone who does not should be felt bad for. I prefer cool, economical and reliable. I am not a collector, nor do I desire to be one.
oasis618
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I think some people are missing the OP's point of this thread. His question was simply does anyone have any experience with them and would it be a good starter pistol for not a lot of money. Yes there are fancier guns out there and yes, there are better looking guns out there, but it is hard to argue against a brand new 9mm with a decent reliability record and a no questions asked lifetime warranty for around $159.00. It is probably fair to say that he isn't planning on using it as a duty weapon or to win any competitions with.
Caliper_Mi
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That's basically double the price of a Hi-Point. Double is not "a bit more". For the extra $150 you're spending on the P95, the Hi Point owner has 500-750 rounds of 9mm.
Not talking down the P95 either. I've got one on my hip right now. Cost me low 300's new in 2008. But, I know plenty of people who can't afford that jump.
OTOH, my P95 isn't quite as accurate as the G19 I shot earlier today, so maybe I should've picked up a Glock instead, because it's a better gun and only costs "a bit more". Or I should have spent "a bit more" than a Glock and bought a Kimber...
Truly, your best competitor to a Hi Point is a good deal on a surplus Makarov or an even better deal from a good friend.
Oh, and whoever said Hi Points are unergonomic must have very different hands from mine. All their guns seem to fit my hand incredibly well. I haven't handled a pistol that fits that well that doesn't also cost 4x or more or is a .22.
wgaynor
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I've said it before and will say it again...if they didn't make a good product, they would be asking for a bailout already. 'nough said.
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