Hi Point Pistols
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But I do miss my hi point. Guess I'll have to get another.
CajunBass
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And they were right. If they spent more they could have gotten something better. I doubt they thought they were getting BMW's for a Yugo price.
mcdonl
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OP, sorry I forgot to put this info in there...
Yeah, I own a couple and they do what I want them to do no problem... shoot straight every time I pull the trigger...
BUT (And this is a big but) I have some experience with guns. Not a ton, but enough to know that the Hi-Point, despite it's good price and reliable function may not be the best gun to teach a kid on.
The recoil is significantly more felt then on most other non-blow back designed guns.
Yeah, I own a couple and they do what I want them to do no problem... shoot straight every time I pull the trigger...
BUT (And this is a big but) I have some experience with guns. Not a ton, but enough to know that the Hi-Point, despite it's good price and reliable function may not be the best gun to teach a kid on.
The recoil is significantly more felt then on most other non-blow back designed guns.
"You can buy a Feg in 9x18 for $150 new, a Mak for $200..."
CZ 82 and Feg's are good weapons but can you easily find ammo for them? Can you send it back to the manufacture for free repair or replacement?
The LGD's and walmarts I shop don't seem to carry 9x18 ammo very often.
9mm seems to always be available.
Starting out with guns you want things to be easier.
CZ 82 and Feg's are good weapons but can you easily find ammo for them? Can you send it back to the manufacture for free repair or replacement?
The LGD's and walmarts I shop don't seem to carry 9x18 ammo very often.
9mm seems to always be available.
Starting out with guns you want things to be easier.
jayjaypunisher
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what is this guy even talking about? The OP asked for opinions, experiences, and advice. What rule in your magic dream world means you have to have owned something to have experiences with them? Sounds to me you're a hi-point packing fan(and thats fine) that got butt-hurt cause somebody knocked your favorite clunker! If the OP wishes more intel on the coment I would be glad to expand, until then do us ALL a favor and keep your incoherent babbling to yourself!!
jayjaypunisher
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sorry, last was in response to this nonsense from JR47
"That style of drive-by posting requires little thought, and little proof of what you spoke.
There are a lot better built pistols than anything normally owned, until you get to Korth and Koriphilla pistols. Until, and unless, YOU own them, take your own advice and upgrade to real weapons from that fitted with a hacksaw, and finished with a rasp Baer, Wilson, and S&W Custom Shop garbage.
See, it works just as well on the Sacred Cow group. "
"That style of drive-by posting requires little thought, and little proof of what you spoke.
There are a lot better built pistols than anything normally owned, until you get to Korth and Koriphilla pistols. Until, and unless, YOU own them, take your own advice and upgrade to real weapons from that fitted with a hacksaw, and finished with a rasp Baer, Wilson, and S&W Custom Shop garbage.
See, it works just as well on the Sacred Cow group. "
KodiakBeer
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9x18 is widely available, and cheaper than 9mm. I regularly see Maks for under $200, and since this was the Soviet block standard sidearm for 50 years I think you can count on them as being reliable and durable - the equivalent of the AK.
KodiakBeer
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The AK Air National Guard chases Russian planes back outside our air space all the time. The Coast Guard chases Russian vessels out of our waters, and even captures them from time to time. I've personally been in on the capture of two Russian factory ships in Alaskan waters. And you really can see Russia from Alaska.
And if you can't find 9x18 ammo, you aren't looking very hard. It's less than half the price of 9mm Luger and widely available:
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/index.php/cName/9x18-makarov-hollow-point-ammo
I never have and probably never will own a Hi-Point but if I was low on funds and needed something "cheap" they would be "Hi" on my list.
Generally good reviews as far as reliability at least compared to other Saturday Night Specials like Lorcin or Jimenez Arms type pistols. Yeah they're not pretty but hey I'd rather have a butt-ugly gun that works than a good-looking jam-o-matic that can't make it through a whole mag.
As to those who keep harping on getting a used gun instead, just remember a lot of used guns are somebody's problem they got rid of. A high percentage of the used guns I've bought over the years had problems some serious, and some because of amateur gunsmiths. Whatever the case just because it's a top brand name that doesn't mean a used one is gonna work great. Why did somebody get rid of it in the first place and why is the shop selling it for cheap? You might just be getting somebody else's lemon.
At least with the Hi-Point you know why it's going for so cheap, plus it has a warranty and a company that stands behind it and you know that some wannabe gunsmith hasn't monkeyed with it, unlike a used gun.
Generally good reviews as far as reliability at least compared to other Saturday Night Specials like Lorcin or Jimenez Arms type pistols. Yeah they're not pretty but hey I'd rather have a butt-ugly gun that works than a good-looking jam-o-matic that can't make it through a whole mag.
As to those who keep harping on getting a used gun instead, just remember a lot of used guns are somebody's problem they got rid of. A high percentage of the used guns I've bought over the years had problems some serious, and some because of amateur gunsmiths. Whatever the case just because it's a top brand name that doesn't mean a used one is gonna work great. Why did somebody get rid of it in the first place and why is the shop selling it for cheap? You might just be getting somebody else's lemon.
At least with the Hi-Point you know why it's going for so cheap, plus it has a warranty and a company that stands behind it and you know that some wannabe gunsmith hasn't monkeyed with it, unlike a used gun.
I'm a great believer in the mil-surps. Right now I own an Argy Hi-Power, 4 Toks, a Star Super A, a CZ-82, and an Argy 1911. I haven't paid more than $300 for any of them, and most of them were between $100 and $220. One of my Toks I got for $89. All of them are steel, all of them super reliable from the day I bought them.
I'd have no problem with owning a Hi-Point. Inexpensive doesn't have to mean unreliable or cheaply made.
I'd have no problem with owning a Hi-Point. Inexpensive doesn't have to mean unreliable or cheaply made.
wgaynor
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I'm always amazed at the emotions that Hi-Point conversations can bring out in people...you'd think this was about politics.
christcorp
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It's quite understandable. You've got one group of people who own/shoot hi-points wondering why all the Hi-Point hate. The gun is reliable; it's shoots as dependably as most other manufacturers of guns; it's accurate; and you don't have to go broke to have one.
On the other side of the table, you've got people who just can't swallow the fact that their gun cost $400-$800 more, and they can't claim that it's any more reliable than the $150 Hi-Point. They don't want to believe that they spent a lot more money than they had to.
In reality, there's a lot of things that you get extra for that additional money. Yes, I have a Hi-Point C-9 9mm. But I also have guns that easily cost more than $1000. Guns like Kimber, Sig, Colt, Dan Wesson, and Springfield Armory. But I get other things for the extra money. I get better ergonomics. I get better balance. Better recoil. Better accuracy. Better safety system. I get an overall better gun. But if we're going to talk about the reliability of IF I pull the trigger, will it go bang; and will it hit my target at 20-30 feet? Well, my confidence in the hi-point is just as high as it is for my more expensive guns. That's just the facts. I can admit that. Unfortunately, many others can't.
Maybe it's because they have limited funds, and they only own a couple of guns. To them, money is important. As such, trying to justify a $600 gun compared to a $150 is hard. You have to believe deep down inside that there is something better about your $600 gun that's going to save your life. Something that the $150 gun somehow compromises. How does a person rationalize or justify a car they spent $20,000 more than the car their neighbor/co-worker just bought. I guarantee you that for the next 4-5 years, (Average length of time a person keeps a car), that both of those cars will be almost identical when it comes to reliability and dependability in getting them wherever they're going. The cadillac and the ford focus will be just as reliable. But the cadillac owner will try and tell you why theirs is so much better. Sorry, but when it comes to reliability and dependability to get you where you're going, the cadillac is not any better than the focus. If a person would simply admit that they didn't mind paying $20,000 more because they wanted a car that was more comfortable; had more features; had more power; was a status symbol of their financial success; etc... Then I think they would be much happier, and wouldn't feel they had to cut down on the ford focus owner to make themselves feel justified in their purchase.
Same with pistols. If the les baer, kimber, hk, sig, glock, etc... owner would simply recognize that they bought a more expensive gun because they like better how it feels, how it carries, additional features, additional safeties, the status of the name, etc... Then they could be happy with their own purchase, without having to cut down on others for their purchase; "Like Hi-Point owners" in order to raise themselves. Especially STUPID comments like: "What's your and your family's life worth".
One thing I think is valid, is that it appears that those who buy the mid-range priced guns like the glocks, taurus, some S&W, ruger, etc... seem to have a lot more problems with the hi-point owners than those who own Sig, HK, Kimber, Baer, and other higher priced guns. Maybe it's because money is more important to those that have the mid-range priced guns; whereas those with the higher priced guns tend to have more money and they buy what they want. Those people with the more expensive guns also tend to have the cadillac, corvette, or more expensive car; but they also have a 1995 pickup. Just a theory. Maybe the mid-priced gun owner only has a couple/few guns, so they need to justify the money they spend. Whereby those who have some high priced guns also have quite a few other guns and they don't have to justify their spending. I wasn't always as financially capable as I am today. And I've noticed that as I've grown and my financial status has changed, so has my attitude towards others changed. Anyway, it's just a theory.
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christcorp
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And I have a neighbor currently that has a glock 19 that fails to feed at least once a magazine.
When people learn about guns, instead of pretending that they know about guns, they can usually have a gun that shoots almost perfectly. But as long as people think that all guns, of all manufacturers, and all models are equal; and that they are all SUPPOSE to shoot any and all ammunition through them perfectly; there will always be problems.
Am I saying that it's possible that your cousin and my neighbor don't know as much about guns as they'd like to believe they do, and that they are part of the problem?...... Um,,,,,,, YES, that's exactly what I'm saying.
I have a Walther PPK that will not, under ANY circumstance, shoot Corbon ammunition. it physically won't fit. If you force it, you WILL NOT be able to eject it without using 2 hands. Does that mean that all PPK's are junk? No. It means that this particular gun is picky about Corbon ammunition. Maybe your cousin is buying the cheapest crap ammunition that walmart sells, (Winchester White Box) and his hi-point just doesn't like it. Maybe his magazines don't like it. Guess, what? Most guns have their own personality.
I've only had 3 guns in my life than have NEVER... I mean NEVER.... failed. I don't think they can fail. They shoot everything and anything you feed it. You can limp wrist them, and they work. You can never clean them, and they work. One is my Sig P220 W. German 1989 45acp. One is my Military CZ-82 9mm makarov. And the other is my S&W Model 13-1 "K" frame 4" 357 magnum. Well, I can tell you for a fact, that there are people out there that says they hate Sig Sauer because they always fail for them. Same with S&W and CZ. Every gun has a personality. It has things it likes and doesn't. If a person buys a new gun, don't know how to properly break it in, buy ANY brand of ammunition, sees that it has problems, and you claim that the gun sucks; then they don't know anything about guns and they are half of the problem. You try other types/brands of ammunition. You check out the magazines. Hi-Point for instance even recommends that it takes a couple hundred rounds of ammo to properly break in the gun and the magazines. They also mention that winchester white box ammo is not the most reliable in the gun. But people buy it anyway. Those who it works for, have a gun that will shoot most anything. Those who have problems, blame the gun.. What can you say.
Sorry, but if you think that a gun, brand new, is suppose to come out of the box; feed/shoot/eject any and all ammunition, and doesn't need any type of break-in; then you are not a realist and your expectations are unreasonable. Why when a person buys a new car are they respectful of the recommendations about driving the car a certain way for the first 500-1000 miles. Yet, they think a gun is suppose to be perfect out of the box? Oh well.
wgaynor
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" Originally Posted by cajun47 View Post
my cousin had 2 hi point 9mm handguns. they both would ftf or fte at least once every mag."
Did he take advantage of the warranty? If not, then that's his own fault.
my cousin had 2 hi point 9mm handguns. they both would ftf or fte at least once every mag."
Did he take advantage of the warranty? If not, then that's his own fault.
JR47
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Very few people actually read the entire manual, too. I have a sneaking suspicion that many "gun related" problems stem from the lack of the info in that manual.
This has actually been a pretty reasonable thread, with all ,but one poster bringing factual points. It would seem that the general consensus is that the gun is ugly, but does everything it should.
This has actually been a pretty reasonable thread, with all ,but one poster bringing factual points. It would seem that the general consensus is that the gun is ugly, but does everything it should.
wgaynor
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I agree. This is probably one of the most civilized high point discussions i've seen on here.
stickhauler
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The only Hi Point I saw jam do so for one of 3 reasons:
1. The lips of the magazine aren't aligned properly, simply using a pair of pliers to bend them slightly (it might take a little experimentation to find the right alignment).
2. The feed ramp has a burr that doesn't allow the round to feed properly, take a Dremel tool and polish it a bit and that usually does the trick.
3. "Limp wristing" by the shooter.
I've got a C-9 as does my son. I have yet to have an issue with mine, his had a few FTF issues, he did the mag trick and polished the ramp, no more problems. His has a comparable number through as mine does, better than 3 K rounds through the tube, without a hic-up.
That being said, yes, it's a clunky pistol, it ain't pretty, it ain't a gun I'd use for concealed carry. But if it came time that it was the only option I had at hand to save my life or the life of a family member, I don't think the bad guy would be around to complain about being shot by a ugly, clunky gun.
mcdonl
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I had a lot of problems with the 10 round mags, and it looked/felt terrible with the extended mag so I stick with the 8 round it looks better, and feels better and never fails.
Mr-Grimm
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currently I own two Hi Point pistols. A 9mm and a .40 s&w. I've ran a box of bullets through the 9 sighting it in, playing around and teaching my kids about handguns. Never a problem and it's accurate enough with factory ammo. I've stripped it, cleaned it and put it back together.
my hi point .40 is the older of the two. I've polished everything I could, worked up a load using 180 gr HAP's and tight group. This gun is a shooter! At 20 yards from a rest it will dump a full mag into a ragged hole easily covered by a quarter! It cycles every time and I wouldn't be afraid to stack it up against any handgun costing 5 times as much. I've outshot my LEO buddy with his service Sig .40.
the money I saved buying Hi Points I've put into barrels for my Encore and reloading equipment.
when I need to grab a weapon it's never a question. I'll grab one of my hi points every time!
my hi point .40 is the older of the two. I've polished everything I could, worked up a load using 180 gr HAP's and tight group. This gun is a shooter! At 20 yards from a rest it will dump a full mag into a ragged hole easily covered by a quarter! It cycles every time and I wouldn't be afraid to stack it up against any handgun costing 5 times as much. I've outshot my LEO buddy with his service Sig .40.
the money I saved buying Hi Points I've put into barrels for my Encore and reloading equipment.
when I need to grab a weapon it's never a question. I'll grab one of my hi points every time!
Don't own any Hi-Points, but have shot most of their offerings over the years..thanks to my informal shooting budds (We call ourselves "The Cheap Galoots")
Pig-Butt-Stuck-In-a-Mud-Fence-Ugly? Oh yeah...Puts the lead where you aim and goes Bang! on request every time, or Hi-Point fixes it free.
for a sub-$200 handgun, and sub-$300 carbines, what more can you ask?
Ok, Ok...maybe a few less zits on the face of your Prom Night Blind date, arranged for you by your ahhhhh "Friends" but that is an entirely seperate story...
Pig-Butt-Stuck-In-a-Mud-Fence-Ugly? Oh yeah...Puts the lead where you aim and goes Bang! on request every time, or Hi-Point fixes it free.
for a sub-$200 handgun, and sub-$300 carbines, what more can you ask?
Ok, Ok...maybe a few less zits on the face of your Prom Night Blind date, arranged for you by your ahhhhh "Friends" but that is an entirely seperate story...
Lou McGopher
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I've never shot them. I have held both their 9mm and .45 in my hands. Grip felt pretty good. I have a friend who has the .45, won in a raffle. He was surprised by how well it shot. Says it's very accurate, functions smoothly, feels good in the hand. It's no BBQ gun, but if I needed a very affordable pistol without sacrificing dependability, I'd get one.
I probably will eventually.
I probably will eventually.
jayjaypunisher
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ok I didnt want to do this due to the fact that I didnt want to bash the Hi-point brand too directly. But certain posters are questioning "factual" points so here was my experiance, a good friend at Fort Benning bought one new, a .45, and we went to a range to shoot it for the first time. He shot two mags through, lookin good, on the third mag on around round 3 or 4 it makes a strange pop and fails to cycle, upon examination we found the chamber had ruptured and cracked. this was with Winchester white box factory ammo. I understand theres lots of variables, and I know there's "turds" out there with any product but it really sealed the deal for me. He did send it in and Hi-Point completely replaced the gun no problems, but shouldve never happened in my mind. I will try and get some pics of that chamber we took if he still has them and post em for all the cry babies out there.
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