Deanimator
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Like me, I suspect that nobody who saw that "performance" will be buying one any time soon.
Hi Point?
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darkfreedom
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That is why I am offering to help you rid your club of any Hi Points that may have already infested the gun safes of your esteemed fellow club members.
Deanimator
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Sounds like he was using a firearm based on a fundamentally unsound concept that fails under circumstances which wouldn't affect a proper firearm.
A pure blowback handgun chambered for a cartridge more powerful than 9x18mm is nothing but a mass of BAD compromises.
mcdonl
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Your right. I will get rid of my hi points tonight. What should I buy?
frankenstein406
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I'll take anyone's hi point orphans. I wont judge. Please leave a note attached to it.
I'm taking ammo donations, please have a heart there hungry!
I can see why people hate jennings, I wanted to puke when I handled it.
I'm taking ammo donations, please have a heart there hungry!
I can see why people hate jennings, I wanted to puke when I handled it.
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darkfreedom
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hey, I already put in to claim any HP orphans here. lol
Deanimator
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Keep or buy what you want.
If it were me, I wouldn't buy a pure blowback handgun chambered for anything more powerful than 9x18mm. Within that reasonable limitation, there are plenty of Makarovs, PA-63s and CZs. I have no interest in 9x18mm, but at least you can have a reliable blowback handgun in that caliber without a ludicrously large and heavy slide or a recoil spring like the volute spring in a Sherman tank.
For anything more powerful, ONLY a locked breach handgun will do. Again, there are plenty of Rock Island and other inexpensive M1911s, as well as CZ, EAA, Glock, Beretta, etc.
You can have your own opinions.
You CAN'T have your own laws of physics.
- You can make a blowback handgun chambered for something more powerful than 9x18mm.
- You can make a good handgun.
frankenstein406
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Hey you already have some
, I still need some! Plus were in the same state! We can share custody.darkfreedom
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I currently have a 995ts. Still looking for a C9 Comp and a C9 standard model.
I guess we can share, once we talk them into sending us their c9's...
I guess we can share, once we talk them into sending us their c9's...
bluecollar
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Hi points dinda remind me of one of these__________
darkfreedom
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what is that thing?
mcdonl
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Just checking, is that fact or opinion? I want to be able to return my gun to the factory, because when the word of this knowledge you possess gets out no one with a single brain cell would buy one. I just want to make sure I am seperating facts from opinion.
I clearly have some demo model or something, because it is 100% reliable and accurate, always has been... clearly a fluke.
Deanimator
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It's fact based on my (and a lot of other people's including firearms designers') criteria.
I refuse to waste time on a handgun that:
- Has a ludicrously large and heavy slide, necessitated by the lack of a locking mechanism.
- Has a recoil spring more appropriate to the suspension of an armored vehicle.
The Hi Point does nothing I want done in any way in which I want it done.
mcdonl
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10-4 Got it.
Deanimator
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There's certainly no reason for me to spend MY money on something useless to ME.
mcdonl
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Nor should you, but that does not make it junk.
It may make it junk to you, but it does not make it junk. And to people who own Hi Points, enjoy them and shoot them it is insulting to have someone trash them, call them junk and a poor design.
A simple, I do not care for them would suffice.
It may make it junk to you, but it does not make it junk. And to people who own Hi Points, enjoy them and shoot them it is insulting to have someone trash them, call them junk and a poor design.
A simple, I do not care for them would suffice.
Deanimator
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I don't care for the Beretta 9x series. I don't think they're a lousy design. They just have design details which make them unsuitable for me.
I don't care for the Hi Point series. I think they're a lousy design and have given abundant reasons why. They're OBJECTIVELY deficient, ignoring fundamental principles of good centerfire handgun design.
Name ten SUCCESSFUL locked breech handgun designs chambered for a cartridge more powerful than the 9x18mm.
Name ten SUCCESSFUL pure blowback handgun designs chambered for a cartridge more powerful than the 9x18mm.
mcdonl
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Ok. I quit. Your right. There, thats what you need to hear right? I bow to you.
He makes them for any size Hi-point pistol plus a lot of other Manufacturers. uses lots of different unique woods. These are heat treated tiger maple.
Thomas Grips. Phone 406-20-9140
jnathomas08@ yahoo.com
The owners name is Josh. Reasonable.
RancidSumo
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That isn't true at all. I don't own many of the guns I recommend (or don't recommend) but they are guns that I have either shot quite a bit or have proven themselves (or failed to) in the eyes of experts I trust. For example, I don't own a Glock 19 or a FN FNX-9 but I've shot both quite a bit and they have proven themselves reliable, not just with the samples I've shot, but across the board with high end trainers and experts. The P30/HK45 are an example of a gun I haven't shot but I recommend because I know it to be reliable regardless of the fact I have no personal experience with them. With 1911's, I actually have shot many of them and the ones I've said are junk have been junk both in my hands as well as across the board with high round count shooters. Same with AR's.
If you don't plan on putting more than a couple hundred rounds a year through your pistol then you will probably be fine with junk like a Hi-Point. My advice comes from the perspective of someone who shoots quite a bit and if the gun is garbage, it isn't going to hold up to a couple hundred rounds every range trip (In general, occasionally they may put out one or two decent pistols).
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mcdonl
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I am tired of people calling these pistols junk and I believe that there are THR regulations that prohibit hate threads. I am asking that a mod review this and tell me if I am off on my assumption that this thread is violating that rule.
Well, your wrong, wrong and wrong. I shoot a lot more than "Quite a bit" and I have put thousands of rounds through my C9 and 995 and I know several others who have too. I am a serious shooter, reloader and competitor. I just do it with a strict budget. I insist on getting a lot more for my money, as I have to. I have more important things to do like put my kids through college. What you pay for may be good enough for some, but not me.
mcdonl
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The quality of the members of this place is terrible.
Deanimator
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I could be mistaken, but I believe that personal attacks are against the TOS here.
That aside, personal attacks never trump facts. I've provided plenty.
Hi Point handguns, by virtue of the combination of the very nature of their method of operation and the ammunition for which they are chambered, are fundamentally flawed. No amount of personal attacks will change that.
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