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WHY would anyone actually care what is carried for CCW on another person's body?

I own a number of weapons that aren't suited for CCW. A 6 7/8" barreled Ruger Mk. II would be hard to hide in summer clothes. I also have a 7 1/2" Ruger Super Redhawk that is similarly awkward in CCW status. Look at where I live, and where many of the posters live. Weather dictates carry clothing.

As far as style of clothing goes, you have to be kidding. Should we start worrying about the guy in the cammies who buys an AR, too? After all, EVERYONE knows that only militia members wear those, right?

When someone actually believes that clothing besmirches the gun, we need to start over on our educational system. :rolleyes:
 
If a Hi-Point WORKS and that's all you can afford get & use it.
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VA, I know your intentions are good. There are a lot of snobs out there. But I think that you might be looking at hi-point "WRONG" also. ....AND THAT'S ALL YOU CAN AFFORD.... So, are you saying that if you can afford a $450 gun, then you shouldn't get a hi-point? Or that hi-points are only for poorer people. I easily have over $10,000 in guns. I can easily afford any gun in any shop. I have guns that are worth well over $1000. Yet, I have a hi-point. I also have an H. Schmidt. And I don't own either of them because that's all I can afford. I own them because they reliably fill a niche and purpose.

I know you didn't mean it like that, but there's a lot of people who think that any respectable person, who could afford better, wouldn't get a hi-point. That's not always the case. I also have/had a porsche and a corvette, but I also own a Ford Focus. Hi-Point goes beyond cost.
 
Some of the guys posting the hi point hate admit to using Taurus products.

I'm detecting a bit of hypocrisy.
 
The problem with gun is: Unless you've got a lot of money or you have a lot of friends with different guns that let you try them, most people are going to buy based on the advice of others. That can be difficult. In this case, the best thing to do is to do a lot of research. I personally have not had any problems with Taurus. I have however had major problems with Rossi, plus other guns. My suggestion is to read the "Hidden Verbals" in the forums.

1. If you're interested in a particular make/model of a gun, find forums SPECIFICALLY for that make. I.e. Don't look on general forums like this one unless they have specific sections for S&W, Springfield, Taurus, Hi-Point, Sig, etc... Find a forum specifically for that make of firearm you are interested in.

2. Next, once you find that forum, DON'T ask questions about buying that make of gun. That forum is going to be biased. Don't go to a S&W forum and ask if you should buy a S&W pistol. 99% are going to say yes.

3. Look through the forums, at the title of the threads, and look for problems. Most forums, whether it's guns, cars, computers, voip, cigars, etc... are made up of 20% enthusiasts who are simply "IN TO IT", and 80% people trying to find answers to their questions. So simply look through the first 3 pages of threads, don't necessarily open and read the threads, but look for threads that mention PROBLEMS. e.g. "Anyone else have a problem with ....."; "Can someone help me with ......"; "How do I ......"; "I need help with ....."

4. When you find these threads, look at them and see if there are trends or common issues. Then you can tell if that particular manufacturer makes reliable and dependable firearms. Then you can make an educated decision.

I will tell you right now that if you go to a Hi-Point forum, and there are a few, you will find very few threads about problems. Most threads are about: "Will they be making another model in such and such caliber?"; "What kind of holster do you use"; "Does anyone use theirs for concealed carry"; etc... almost NEVER a thread on a problem. That tells you a lot. Same with many other manufacturers such as Sig, S&W, etc... There are some however that will mention problems. "Keeps jamming"; "Fails to feed"; "Slide is stuck"; "Magazine doesn't stay in"; etc... Every forum is going to have some posts that mention a problem. It's up to you to determine if this problem is common or unique to that person. If the problem is known and the person didn't follow certain procedures that are known. If it's a problem that even affects you. If it's a troll trying to start an argument. And so on. But if you spend a little time reviewing the forums for these types of trends, you will kow which guns are good for your purpose and needs and which ones aren't. I love visiting THR and TFL. But general forums aren't as informative when it comes to really finding a gun that's right for you. Once you HAVE the gun, forums like THR are great places to enhance your shooting experience. Good luck to all the new gun buyers. We need you. The 2nd amendment and constitution needs you. The sport needs you. Take care.
 
No hatred of the AK here.

My assignment of the AK's to the bad guy gun club was due to the millions that have been used by terrorists, rogue states, drug cartels, slavers and pirates over the years. It's a symbolic gun. Mozambique has an AK on their national flag, for crying out load.

Are you a bad guy if you have an AK? Nope;I never said that. I implied that of the millions of AK's floating around the world most of them are in use by people with nefarious intentions.

Not all, but most.
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Ahhh, thank you for clarifying :cool: .
 
I personally don't care in the least about impressing people. So I don't worry about what gun I buy. I buy what I want to. I buy AK variant rifles because the damn things are simple design and will shoot under almost any condition, and are about the most reliable military style rifle in the world. And after spending more than 20 years in the military, I respect that rifle. If some people are ignorant, and believe that somehow I am, or Might Be, associated with people with "Nefarious Intentions", then those individuals are obviously not very well educated and I don't really care what they think. They are educationally impaired.

Same with the hi-point. If a person thinks that hi-points are the weapon of choice by gang bangers, muggers, rapists, and other criminals; then they truly are stupid. They have no idea what they're talking about. The gun "market" for the law abiding citizen is NOT the same gun market that criminals use. If you think they are, you're wrong. Criminals, including wannabe criminals, do not buy their guns from the local gun store. Criminals can also get their guns cheaper most times than you and I can. "Supply and demand". Most of these criminals are not going to pay $500-$600 for a gun. Most of the guns they are buying are stolen or illegally in circulation. Yes, some are Hi-Points, but there's also glocks, S&W, Springfield, and many other guns in the criminal community. But even if EVERYTHING I know to be true is wrong, and that every criminal in the country used a hi-point, to believe that the stereotype of that or the stigma is attached to me because I own a hi-point, makes that person totally retarded. A person truly can not believe that and have all their mental faculties. It's not possible. You'd have to be retarded. Gang Bangers and criminals wear levi's and Wranglar jeans; do that mean if I wear jeans, I'm associated with gang bangers and criminal? Gangbangers wear Sneakers and similar footwear, what does that mean. I guess if we don't walk around society like a bunch of mormons going door to door in white shirts, black ties and black pants, then we're not true law abiding Americans.
 
Dont listen to the fuds who think they are crap guns, they are what they are, a purely functional and durable pistol with no thought to the cosmetic value, a gun you buy and stick under the seat of your truck, not a safe queen. and if you find a better customer service department i would like to hear about it. I think their customer service program is basically a way for them to see what they can improve on future production runs.
 
Christcorp,

Thank you for questioning my education. I was under the impression that personal attacks were frowned upon here.

You seem quick to question others' intelligence. Also to brag about how you can afford this or that gun.

Since you're quick to impugn others I would suggest that you've have some issues with yourself. What, I couldn't say.

So, as I have noted numerous times earlier in this thread, the op asked for opinions. I gave him mine. Since it doesn't jive with yours I am somehow uneducated.

Rant away.
 
If its use was for target shooting, I would pass because it is one of the ugliest guns I have ever seen.

If its use was for self defense, I would feel more comfortable buying a higher quality firearm.

Also this being said I do not own one, have never held one, and have never shot one. So my opinion could be changed but i doubt it. Just sooooooooo ugly
 
Stu I do not question your education, nor your intelligence. Stu, I honestly don't know what you're talking about. Not unless you and Dom are the same person with different screen names. I specifically went back to ally our posts and any of my responses. The only thing I disagreed with you about was that there isn't 1 person on ANY of these forums looking down their nose at you for wanting a "Better" gun. But on the contrary, it's many who own the more expensive and "Better" guns who are looking down their nose at people who buy/own a hi-point. The only other area I disagreed with was your stereotype of people who own AK type rifles. That made me question if you and Dom are the same person. It was his post stating that hi-points are synonymous with gang bangers and criminals. And therefor no one should buy a hi-point so they aren't associated with criminals. Your comment about AK owners is exactly the same thing. If you own an AK, you are somehow associated with people of "Nefarious Intentions".

At no time is your intelligence or education questioned. But listening to stereotyped innuendos and associating hi-point and ak owners with "undesirables" is pure B.S.
 
....If some people are ignorant, and believe that somehow I am, or Might Be, associated with people with "Nefarious Intentions", then those individuals are obviously not very well educated and I don't really care what they think. They are educationally impaired.....
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I wrote the 'nefarious' line, so forgive me if I misread the text cited above.

This was the end of my AK post:

.....Are you a bad guy if you have an AK? Nope;I never said that. I implied that of the millions of AK's floating around the world most of them are in use by people with nefarious intentions.

Not all, but most.
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If anyone else agrees with CC, please post up. It's interesting that no one else in this thread has their dander up quite as high as yours.

All that being said, if I'm ever in Wyoming I'll buy you a drink. Some of my best friends were apparent arseholes to start with :)
 
Well, if you don't understand the difference between "educated" and "education", I don't know what to tell you. But if you want me to clarify my post, I will be only too happy to. In a nut shell:

If you are willing to stereotype a person, and "associate" them with others, including their "Intentions", based on the type of firearm that they own, then you are ignorant.

Now; if you consider "ignorance" to be a derogatory word, then I could understand why you take offense. However, the word ignorance in fact means to simply "Not Know". As in, ignorant of the truth. If a person is ignorant about gun owners, and thus believe that the type of gun they have can somehow associate them into a certain group of people, then it's important that they learn the truth. And that, is what I am saying. That maybe you should learn the truth about people before you stereotype them and classify them into a category.

Both you and Dom said the exact same thing. 1)Hi-Points are mostly carried by criminals, and therefor we shouldn't buy them because we wouldn't want to be associated with or being a criminal ourselves. 2)MOST AK's in the world are in use by people of less than admirable qualities, and therefore we should stay clear of AK's so we too are not associated with such undesirable people. Now, if you Knew the truth, and were not ignorant, then you'd realize that your stereotype is no different than what people have done towards people of different races, sex, religions, etc... But because we are talking about guns, it's socially acceptable for you to make disparaging remarks. But hey, if you're the one that feels like a "Victim" here because I called you ignorant of the truth; and you don't quite know what the word means and took offense to it, then I guess I can see your point. And I'm sorry for that. But now that you know what the word ignorance/ignorant means, and that it isn't a negative word, and that if you researched, you would know that the type of gun a person has, has no bearing on their character or personality, then I'm sure you won't make that mistake again. And we of course won't have any further misunderstandings.
 
Gosh, you've opened my eyes.

And yet again you've disparaged my intelligence. I am familiar with the definition of ignorant. I am also familiar with the defintion of self-righteous.

And could you explain why I have seen lots inexpensive guns in EVERY single round up of criminal's guns that I have EVER seen?

I mean since they're not criminal's guns and all. Enlighten me.

I appreciate the fact that you question my intelligence in post 106, I bust you for it in post 108, you say you didn't question my intelligence in post 111, I bust you for it again in post 112, and you do it one more time in post 113.

Do you want me to say, 'Oh man, I'm sooooo sorry. I apologize to everyone that love's HPs. Pleeeeaaaaassseee forgive me.'

Would that make you happy?
 
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You're obviously taking this all really personal. I am sorry for that. This is a forum. No one here knows anyone else. Therefor, it should never be personal. It's not like either of us would be embarrassed when we go to work on Monday.

But to answer your question:
And could you explain why I have seen lots inexpensive guns in EVERY single round up of criminal's guns that I have EVER seen?

I mean since they're not criminal's guns and all. Enlighten me.
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I would think that this question is quite obvious. Most criminals are relatively poor. Economics is one of the leading reasons for committing crimes of property. e.g. muggings, robbery, etc... Well, if a criminal has financial issues, and that's why they're committing crimes, do you really think they are going to waste their limited resources on a $500 glock or S&W?

You're practically implying that Hi-Point specifically makes their weapons with the criminals in mind as their target demographic. So, what is your proposal? 1) Hi-Point should automatically increase the price of their guns by $200 to make it more difficult for a criminal to afford. 2) That no reputable person should buy a gun under $X, because we don't want to be associated with criminals. Is that what you're saying?

I wonder if I'm being associated with "Poor" people because I wear old faded jeans, sweat shirts and sneakers on the weekend. I have a 1994 Ford F250 pickup. I wonder if I'm being associated with rednecks.

Stu, you're not trying to stereotype hi-point owners as being criminals or low class people, but you seem determined to emphasize your opinion that if you carry a hi-point or other inexpensive gun, that you "Could" be perceived as such. OK, I think I get this now. You and Dom don't want to own a hi-point, because you're afraid of what some people might think of you. If they see you at the gun range with the pistol, they might think you are a criminal or gangbanger. And you have gone one step further by saying that you wouldn't own an AK, because you're afraid if anyone sees you with it at the range or wherever, that they might think that you are a terrorist, mercenary, or similar type with bad intentions.

That is totally your right. There are some people that don't want a hi-point because it's ugly, bulky, heavy, single stack mag capacity, etc.... There are some that don't want one because they don't like the way they shoot. There's some that don't want one because of the "perceived" quality of the weapon. (2nd hand knowledge). And for you, you don't want one because you're worried of what others think of you. And maybe that's why I appeared to come across as self righteous. "Which I'm not". But it's possible that I can't really empathize with your feelings because I really don't worry about what people think of me. It doesn't bother me at all. But obviously it really does have an affect on you and what you buy. Probably also what you wear, eat, drink, car you drive, etc... If nothing else, you have definitely provided another reason why some people might not want to own a hi-point. Or in your case, also an AK style rifle.
 
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Oh, well.

You like Hi Points but can afford brand guns. Cool.

I liken that to preferring steak but occassionally eating Alpo because it will 'do everything that you need it to do' e.g. keep you alive.

I should probably sign off on this thread, but like a Hi Point, it keeps pulling me back into its potmetal arms.
 
I liken that to preferring steak but occassionally eating Alpo because it will 'do everything that you need it to do' e.g. keep you alive.
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And you had the "Balls" to call me "self righteous"? If you had said preferring steak but eating hamburger because I was "Cheap" or something similar, I could understand. But you are implying that a Hi-Point isn't "FIT" for "REAL PEOPLE". Only criminals. Just like Alpo isn't designed for people, but instead dogs. If we were talking any other subject other than guns, and your attitude was similar, I'd swear that I would think that you are a racist, bigot, and sexist. But that would be stereotyping you, and that's the point I was trying to get across to you that you shouldn't be doing.

But if you can't even make an analogy comparing hi-point to other guns, and classifying it in a category that doesn't include "Real People", then obviously we don't have much left to talk about. And yes, I can afford more expensive guns, and I have quite a few. But I also have/had a ford focus, pickup truck, 66 mustang, porsche, and corvette. So, is the ford focus "Alpo"? Not really intended for "Real People"? Being I could afford better. So, are you saying that anyone who CAN'T afford more than a Hi-Point are equal to dogs eating Alpo?
 
I don't own any Hi-Point guns 'cause to me they're ugly. I can afford to discriminate on appearance. I don't own Glocks or other polymers for the same reason. I'm fortunate that I'm able indulge my preferance for more expensive guns of wood and steel that aren't ugly. I don't claim my guns are any 'better'. Just that life is too short to shoot ugly guns.

If I could not afford the expensive stuff, then based on owners' reports I'd definitely own a Hi-Point and/or Taurus, Rossi, or any of the other lower price options - they all appear roughly made and ugly to me, but they seem to be reliable (or can easily be made so), and in the end that is the only virtue that counts.
 
Ahhh, I must've pushed a button.

Good.

Read whatever implications into that statement that you would like.
 
Just read in a liberal Time magazine article, that the ATFs average "Time to Crime" stat is lower on the hi-point than it is on a Bryco 9mm.

1.5 years on the Bryco, 1 year on the Hi-Point.

Whatever that means, which is probably ..........nothing.
 
I wish I kept my C9

It would've been a good car gun or "borrower" to take to the range for someone to use. I put a lot of cheap Wolf down that thing with only some minor glitches in the beginning until it smoothed out. After the first couple hundred rounds it ran smooth. Pretty accurate actually.

I'm waiting for the .45 carbine to come out. It will make a good camp gun. My buddy has their 9mm with the ATI stock and it's a blast. Also pretty accurate and uber reliable.

I don't like their .40 or .45 cal handguns. The same buddy from above has a brother-in-law with the .45. That thing is HUGE!:what: The cons: triggers and teardown. My reasons for getting rid of mine. But strangely enough, regretting it.
 
I should probably sign off on this thread, but like a Hi Point, it keeps pulling me back into its potmetal arms.
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Oh shut up: You're addicted;) you know it:neener: and you love it:p
So how many do you own? Oh, and don't lie... I know it's gotta be at least two:D
 
I own a C9. I paid about $120 for it. Since then, I've shot over 1,000 through it. I used WWB FMJ for the first 200 rounds to break it in (I read the directions and there is a break in period). I then field stripped it (not hard at all, much easier than my Ruger Mrk III) cleaned and oiled it and shot it some more. I now use it to test my reloads (if I screw it up, it will be replaced for free). I even reloaded some hollow points and no FTF or FTE. None! Yes, I trust my life to this weapon. I trust my life with all of my weapons. This one sits in my truck. The others are in the safe.

I love Hi Points.

If they were junk, Hi-Point Firearms be bankrupt in this economy. Of course, if you think they are ugly and junk and won't buy one, GREAT! You'll keep the cost down so I can purchase more!
 
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