I went to the range and shot around 400 rounds thru my Glock 19.... I shot pretty well (around 80% of my hits within the 7 ring at 7 yards) but a lot of my shots were high and to the left... I used to shoot low left and know that was from anticipating the recoil... I fixed that but what am I doing wrong now? thanks, John
high and to the left with G19
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I am not a shooting coach, professional trainer, or marksmanship instructor (anymore), but if you just want some advice here it is. Go again and shoot. If you are still shooting high and left then you can consider drifting the sights to compensate for the leftness. Depending on how high, it may not even be much of a problem. If it is, then you can either get different sights (which i reccomend for stock glocks anyways) or alter your sight picture. IF you currently obscure your target withthe front sight, switch to a dot-the-I sight picture, and this should fix it. The even better options, though, are go get some professional training and coaching. That is what these guys are there for and no internet bolg, not even this one, can makeup for honest to God professional training. Good Luck!
You are still anticipating the shot. Have you tried dry firing?
Basically shoot the gun when it is empty. Focus on the front sight and front sight only. I usually make a small score or scratch in my front sights. If I am not seeing the scratch I am not focused on the front sight. The trick is to not disturb your sight alignment whilst bringing the trigger rearward.
A bit boring but if practiced regularly a few nights a week for 10 minutes or so for a month you will become a much better shooter.
Basically shoot the gun when it is empty. Focus on the front sight and front sight only. I usually make a small score or scratch in my front sights. If I am not seeing the scratch I am not focused on the front sight. The trick is to not disturb your sight alignment whilst bringing the trigger rearward.
A bit boring but if practiced regularly a few nights a week for 10 minutes or so for a month you will become a much better shooter.
SigMic
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Ditto what FMF Doc said about training.
Here is what I'd do in the interim or if you just cannot get to training.
1) Shoot the gun from a bench rest or sandbag and shoot slowly, concentrating on your sights and with a very slow/light trigger pull.
2) Have a more experienced shooter, who you know can shoot straight, shoot the pistol.
If you come to center in step 1 or if the other fellow in step 2 shoots center, then your sights are fine and you need to fix you. If 1 and 2 both stay high left, work on the sights.
To fix you, the best bet is some good training, but you can also get an idea from shooting correction charts. Check Google images. Here is an example.
http://virginiariflepistol.blogspot.com/2009/10/shooting-problems.html
Here is what I'd do in the interim or if you just cannot get to training.
1) Shoot the gun from a bench rest or sandbag and shoot slowly, concentrating on your sights and with a very slow/light trigger pull.
2) Have a more experienced shooter, who you know can shoot straight, shoot the pistol.
If you come to center in step 1 or if the other fellow in step 2 shoots center, then your sights are fine and you need to fix you. If 1 and 2 both stay high left, work on the sights.
To fix you, the best bet is some good training, but you can also get an idea from shooting correction charts. Check Google images. Here is an example.
http://virginiariflepistol.blogspot.com/2009/10/shooting-problems.html
allaroundhunter
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Do you have the same problem with your Glock 23? It sounds like you are still anticipating the shot.
I've taken courses on shooting... and shot a card in half... my aim has gotten better since taking the classes (big time) but shooting is a perishible skill... I can't bench shoot at the range with pistol where I shoot... standing only... and it's not all my shots but a good amount high and left... I plan on retaking a course in the next month or so... I have conversion barrell that turns my G23 into a G19... makes feeding much easier on the wallet... I press the trigger all the way down to take the slack out then press once sights are lined up... the sights are fine... I shot a business card in half 2nd try after a course but that was over a year ago... it was a consistant 2-3" high and left from bulls eye.. overall I was pretty happy with my improvements in accuracy but need to know what to focus on to keep improving...
drunkensobriety
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This should help.
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k57/paul10mm/HelpTargetII.jpg
And also:
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/82/targetproblems.jpg
When you find a consistent grouping in the same area with a particular pistol it's important to note how you should with an entirely different pistol platform. If you see the same results with a 1911 as you do with a Glock than you'll know there some correctable error in your form.
Shooting is a bit like golf: you can buy all the fancy doo-dads you want, you can buy or use altered corrective equipment. Despite any of it - the best road to take is the quest to out right master the fundamentals. If you detect the glitch in your swing or an error in your shooting form: the best solution is to simply train it out.
When i started shooting: i had a tendency to have one flier significantly low, every so often I'd anticipate recoil by pushing the gun forward and it would throw that round way low. I noticed the problem and simply focused on my trigger control and broke the habit by training it out.
On the other hand: if you try some other gun and *don't* show the same high left tendency - then the sight needs drifted a smidgen and perhaps taken down a little. You can probably accomplish the goal yourself but it's easy to have a gunsmith do it for you.
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k57/paul10mm/HelpTargetII.jpg
And also:
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/82/targetproblems.jpg
When you find a consistent grouping in the same area with a particular pistol it's important to note how you should with an entirely different pistol platform. If you see the same results with a 1911 as you do with a Glock than you'll know there some correctable error in your form.
Shooting is a bit like golf: you can buy all the fancy doo-dads you want, you can buy or use altered corrective equipment. Despite any of it - the best road to take is the quest to out right master the fundamentals. If you detect the glitch in your swing or an error in your shooting form: the best solution is to simply train it out.
When i started shooting: i had a tendency to have one flier significantly low, every so often I'd anticipate recoil by pushing the gun forward and it would throw that round way low. I noticed the problem and simply focused on my trigger control and broke the habit by training it out.
On the other hand: if you try some other gun and *don't* show the same high left tendency - then the sight needs drifted a smidgen and perhaps taken down a little. You can probably accomplish the goal yourself but it's easy to have a gunsmith do it for you.
johnnyk,
just a guess here. you may be over-correcting on your "anticipating recoil fix" by "helping" the pistol recoil. follow-through on the shot by keeping grip, stance and sight picture the same and let the gun do the rest. fwiw
murf
just a guess here. you may be over-correcting on your "anticipating recoil fix" by "helping" the pistol recoil. follow-through on the shot by keeping grip, stance and sight picture the same and let the gun do the rest. fwiw
murf
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Closer bigger target. Get some positive feedback. Check your fundamentals. Move it out.
Works for me.
Works for me.
Be mindful that those targets were designed to be used by shooters shooting one-handed and may not be totally applicable to two-handed shooting styles.
We used to teach folks to split a playing card in half, from about 5 yards, at the end of our classes. It is just a trigger control exercise, but it does demonstrate what is possible with proper control.
Without seeing you shoot or at least a video clip of it, my first guess is that you are looking over your sights and not following through after you break the shot...it is a habit folks develop when they want to see where their shot hit the target
We used to teach folks to split a playing card in half, from about 5 yards, at the end of our classes. It is just a trigger control exercise, but it does demonstrate what is possible with proper control.
Without seeing you shoot or at least a video clip of it, my first guess is that you are looking over your sights and not following through after you break the shot...it is a habit folks develop when they want to see where their shot hit the target
I shoot Bullseye and for about 2 months in 2010 I shot a 6 or 7 high and to the right ( left handed) the first shot of the match. Purely mental thing. I then would do what I was supposed to do, but that 6 really ate at me. Same spot every time. I bet if I laid all those targets on each other there would have been a three inch group of eight shots at the 2 o'clock position. Madenning.
Even happened in training sometimes. For me I could feel the shot just about to break and I would do something. I don't know what, but in anticipating the shot I moved or twitched or looked off the front sight etc.
Went and worked on my fundamentals and thankfully that has not happened since.
Even happened in training sometimes. For me I could feel the shot just about to break and I would do something. I don't know what, but in anticipating the shot I moved or twitched or looked off the front sight etc.
Went and worked on my fundamentals and thankfully that has not happened since.
It's still your trigger finger. Rotate your firing hand around the gun until the crease of the last joint is nearly touching the edge of the trigger and concentrate on pulling straight back. That will fix the "left" part.
The high part? Without seeing you shoot,I'm guessing that you are looking for the hole in the target before the shot breaks. Keep you focus on the top center of the front sight (for target shooting) and don't look for the hole until after you've done your follow through routine.
The high part? Without seeing you shoot,I'm guessing that you are looking for the hole in the target before the shot breaks. Keep you focus on the top center of the front sight (for target shooting) and don't look for the hole until after you've done your follow through routine.
parkerdude
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+1 on SIGMIC & allaroundhunter,
All of my GLOCK's shoot to the point of aim, w/factory sights.
I want to address how you shoot your 23, any similarities?
I tend to shoot my 23 left as well, with some help and a video camera we found the shorter grip hit my hand differently than my other GLOCKs, and caused a left shift in my grip.
I have to pay attention to my grip when shooting the "compact" GLOCKs.
I also like "sedona"s suggestion of a snapcap randomly loaded in to a magazine, unless you form is perfect, you WILL see a flinch.
Just keep practicing, I've never heard anyone saying, that they shoot to much!
Good Luck!
All of my GLOCK's shoot to the point of aim, w/factory sights.
I want to address how you shoot your 23, any similarities?
I tend to shoot my 23 left as well, with some help and a video camera we found the shorter grip hit my hand differently than my other GLOCKs, and caused a left shift in my grip.
I have to pay attention to my grip when shooting the "compact" GLOCKs.
I also like "sedona"s suggestion of a snapcap randomly loaded in to a magazine, unless you form is perfect, you WILL see a flinch.
Just keep practicing, I've never heard anyone saying, that they shoot to much!
Good Luck!
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