High Court Rules Dog Sniff During Traffic Stop OK Without Suspicion Of Drugs

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Jeff, that was for the Fourth Amendment. State Supremes may hold the ceiling, that their state's constitution provides more protection than the Fourth. Don't know if IL equivalent was argued (have case printed out but have not read it--will read on plane to Boston [I'm really going--hooray!]).
 
According to US v. Limares, 269 F.3d 794 (7th Cir. 2001), 62% accuracy for a drug dog is considered reliable enough for meeting the standard of PC.

Discuss amongst yourselves. :scrutiny:
 
FedW, are the same dogs that sniff for marjuana also trained to sniff for explosives? If so, do they only alert for plastique, or will they also hit on, say ... gunpowder?

I don't know if a dog would hit on ceullose nitrate but I bet it would on trinitrated glycerin. Those electronic bomb sniffers detect decomposition of nitrated products and therefor would detect gunpower.
 
62%?

>>>According to US v. Limares, 269 F.3d 794 (7th Cir. 2001), 62% accuracy for a drug dog is considered reliable enough for meeting the standard of PC.
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sit Ubu sit........good dog.

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Since when is this anything new?
This is the first time the Supreme Court has ruled on this topic. Prior to this there were conflicting rulings in the various Circuits, which meant in some areas of the country using the dog was treated similar to plain view, sort of "plain smell" if you will, and in other parts of the country it was considered a search.
 
Since a dog can’t speak, all it has to do is twitch and the officer say the guy “acted nervous” and presto—the full search is legal.


Who needs a dog? Apparently, it also “applies to the officer’s sense of smell, if [officers] hit on the car, say [they] smell weed when [they] walk up to the car, it’s the same as if the dog hit on the car, and [they] can search and anything [they] find is admissible.” [sic] Sorry for the quote and the state of affairs.

~G. Fink
 
Not quite true, DMF. The Court earlier held that a narcotics-sniffing dog is not a search in US v. Place:

Justice Souter's Dissent said:
In United States v. Place, 462 U.S. 696 (1983), we categorized the sniff of the narcotics-seeking dog as "sui generis" under the Fourth Amendment and held it was not a search. Id., at 707. The classification rests not only upon the limited nature of the intrusion, but on a further premise that experience has shown to be untenable, the assumption that trained sniffing dogs do not err. What we have learned about the fallibility of dogs in the years since Place was decided would itself be reason to call for reconsidering Place's decision against treating the intentional use of a trained dog as a search. The portent of this very case, however, adds insistence to the call, for an uncritical adherence to Place would render the Fourth Amendment indifferent to suspicionless and indiscriminate sweeps of cars in parking garages and pedestrians on sidewalks; if a sniff is not preceded by a seizure subject to Fourth Amendment notice, it escapes Fourth Amendment review entirely unless it is treated as a search. We should not wait for these developments to occur before rethinking Place's analysis, which invites such untoward consequences.
 
It applies to the officer’s sense of smell, if I hit on the car, say I smell weed when I walk up to the car, it’s the same as if the dog hit on the car, and I can search and anything I find is admissible.

No problem with human LEOs and 'plain scent' doctiorine.

What I want to know is, who do I sue for malicious prosecution (deliberate mis-statement of the facts leading to an unlawful arreast) when the dog is wrong? And when did the dog get a badge and a gun?
 
Here is the dissenting opinion from the Illinois Supreme Court case that I referenced earlier:

http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/SupremeCourt/2003/November/Opinions/Html/91547.htm
JUSTICE THOMAS, dissenting:

With today's decision, the dicta in People v. Cox, 202 Ill. 2d 462 (2002), becomes the law. Because I strongly disagreed with the Cox dicta, I dissent from the majority opinion.

In Cox, this court upheld a suppression order on the basis that the defendant had suffered an illegal detention. Cox, 202 Ill. 2d at 469-70. After so concluding, the court tacked on a gratuitous section that concluded that the police may not conduct a canine sniff of a vehicle unless they have a reasonable, articulable suspicion that the car's occupants are possessing a controlled substance. Cox, 202 Ill. 2d at 470-71. According to the Cox majority, Terry principles govern whether the police may conduct a canine sniff of a lawfully detained vehicle. Cox, 202 Ill. 2d at 466-68.

As I explained in my dissent, the section of the majority opinion dealing with the canine sniff was dicta because the majority had already concluded that the evidence had to be suppressed because the defendant was subjected to an illegal detention. See Cox, 202 Ill. 2d at 478 (Thomas, J., dissenting, joined by Fitzgerald and Garman, JJ.); see also Best v. Taylor Machine Works, 179 Ill. 2d 367, 470 (1997) (generally, this court will not "engage in speculative analysis or *** render an advisory opinion *** where, as in the instant case, such analysis or opinion is not necessary for the disposition of the cause"). In the case before us, the Cox dicta supplies the sole support for the majority's holding, and thus the dicta is now the law.

Typically, having once voiced disagreement with an opinion, a justice will follow the opinion in future cases because of stare decisis considerations. I cannot do that with Cox because that case is wholly incompatible with United States Supreme Court cases construing the fourth amendment. This court is obligated to follow decisions of the United States Supreme Court on questions of federal constitutional law, and I cannot join an opinion that fails to do so.

As I explained in Cox, under the Supreme Court cases, a canine sniff is not a search. See City of Indianapolis v. Edmond, 531 U.S. 32, 148 L. Ed. 2d 333, 121 S. Ct. 447 (2000); United States v. Place, 462 U.S. 696, 77 L. Ed. 2d 110, 103 S. Ct. 2637 (1983). In Cox, the majority refused to acknowledge that a canine sniff is not a search and failed to discuss City of Indianapolis or Place. If a sniff is not a search, then the police do not need probable cause to conduct one. Further, allowing a canine to sniff a vehicle that is already detained does not transform the seizure into a fourth amendment search. The Supreme Court made this plain in City of Indianapolis:

"It is well established that a vehicle stop at a highway checkpoint effectuates a seizure within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment. [Citation.] The fact that officers walk a narcotics-detection dog around the exterior of each car at the Indianapolis checkpoints does not transform the seizure into a search. [Citation.] Just as in Place, an exterior sniff of an automobile does not require entry into the car and is not designed to disclose any information other than the presence or absence of narcotics. [Citation.] Like the dog sniff in Place, a sniff by a dog that simply walks around a car is 'much less intrusive than a typical search.' [Citation.]" City of Indianapolis, 531 U.S. at 40, 148 L. Ed. 2d at 342-43, 121 S. Ct. at 453.


After ignoring the cases holding that canine sniffs are not searches, the Cox majority held that sniffs were controlled by Terry principles, even though the Supreme Court has made it clear that Terry applies only to searches for weapons. It has never been extended to general searches for incriminating evidence. As I explained in Cox:

"I also disagree with the appellate court's holding (and the majority's apparent implied holding) that canine sniffs should be considered limited investigatory stops governed by Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1, 20 L. Ed. 2d 889, 88 S. Ct. 1868 (1968). Terry allows the police to briefly detain an individual when the officer 'observes unusual conduct which leads him reasonably to conclude in light of his experience that criminal activity may be afoot.' Terry, 392 U.S. at 30, 20 L. Ed. 2d at 911, 88 S. Ct. at 1884. Additionally, the officer is allowed, without a warrant, to conduct a careful limited search of the person when his observations reasonably lead him to believe that the person might be carrying a weapon. The purpose of the 'frisk' is to allow the police, for their own safety and the safety of others, to determine if the person is armed. Terry, 392 U.S. at 27, 20 L. Ed. 2d at 90, 88 S. Ct. at 1883. The Court reached its decision by balancing the need to search against the invasion the search entails. Terry, 392 U.S. at 21, 20 L. Ed. 2d at 905-06, 88 S. Ct. at 1879-80, quoting Camara v. Municipal Court, 387 U.S. 523, 536-37, 18 L. Ed. 2d 930, 940, 87 S. Ct. 1727, 1735 (1967). As Professor LaFave has noted, however, 'there is no search-for-evidence counterpart to the Terry weapons search, permissible on only a reasonable suspicion that such evidence would be found.' 4 W. LaFave, Search & Seizure §9.5(g), at 300 (3d ed. 1996). See also Minnesota v. Dickerson, 508 U.S. 366, 373, 124 L. Ed. 2d 334, 344, 113 S. Ct. 2130, 2136 (1993) (sole justification for a Terry frisk is the protection of the police officer and others, not to gather evidence); People v. Flowers, 179 Ill. 2d 257, 263 (1997) (same); Arizona v. Hicks, 480 U.S. 321, 328-29, 94 L. Ed. 2d 347, 356, 107 S. Ct. 1149, 1154 (1987) (refusing to recognize an intermediate type of search between a plain-view inspection and a 'full-blown search' that would merely require a reasonable suspicion); Ybarra v. Illinois, 444 U.S. 85, 93-94, 62 L. Ed. 2d 238, 247, 100 S. Ct. 338, 343 (1979) (Terry cannot be understood to allow any search whatever for anything but weapons); Skinner v. Railway Labor Executives' Ass'n, 489 U.S. 602, 619, 103 L. Ed. 2d 639, 661, 109 S. Ct. 1402, 1414 (1989) (balancing test is appropriate only when warranted by special needs beyond the normal need for law enforcement). Thus, the majority's apparent belief that a canine sniff for narcotics is a search that can be conducted on an officer's mere reasonable suspicion impermissibly extends Terry to general searches for evidence." Cox, 202 Ill. 2d at 487-88 (Thomas, J., dissenting, joined by Fitzgerald and Garman, JJ.).

The majority's opinion is wholly invalid on this ground because the Supreme Court requires probable cause for warrantless searches of vehicles. See, e.g., Wyoming v. Houghton, 526 U.S. 295, 300, 143 L. Ed. 2d 408, 414-15, 119 S. Ct. 1297, 1300 (1999). If a sniff is a search, then the police cannot conduct one in the absence of probable cause. Thus, in trying to restrict the authority of the police in a routine traffic stop, the majority has unwittingly restricted a defendant's fourth amendment rights by applying Terry to what the majority believes to be a search for incriminating evidence.

In another passage that bears repeating, I pointed out the majority's dilemma:

"In sum, the answer to the question of whether a canine sniff is a search leads to two possible outcomes. If a sniff is a search, then the police need probable cause to conduct one. If a sniff is not a search, then neither the fourth amendment nor article I, section 6, of the Illinois Constitution is implicated. There simply cannot be a 'reasonable suspicion' middle ground because the United States Supreme Court has not expanded Terry to general searches for incriminating evidence, as opposed to searches for weapons.

The majority thus refuses to answer the threshold question, because an answer cannot lead to its result. Instead, the majority has issued a policy decision with no foundation in the law." Cox, 202 Ill. 2d at 489 (Thomas, J., dissenting, joined by Fitzgerald and Garman, JJ.).

In the case before us, the majority has not held that defendant's vehicle was subjected to an illegal detention. Therefore, because the police did not impermissibly extend the traffic stop to allow the canine to sniff defendant's car, defendant's fourth amendment rights were not violated. The canine sniff was not a search, and thus the police did not need probable cause or a reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing before conducting it.

As with Cox, this decision is wholly incompatible with United States Supreme Court case law construing the fourth amendment and is subject to reversal by that court. Accordingly, I cannot join in this opinion, or in any other one that follows and applies the Cox rule.

JUSTICES FITZGERALD and GARMAN join in this dissent.

Apparently Justice Thomas (of the Illinois Supreme Court) also believed that the US Supreme Court had ruled on canine searches before now too. Apparently Justice Thomas was correct in his dissent.

Jeff
 
Dog as Peace Officer

I concur with those who think that is another chunk sliced from the Bill of Rights, but it's personally creepy to me.

I mean, why should a human being be deprived of his liberty for as long as one second for something that happens in the mind of a dog? Remember the stories about the girls in schools getting hit on by drug-sniffing dogs because the dogs were boy dogs and the girls were, uh, girls? What about the "Clever Hans" effect? Ya know, the dog wants to please his master, and alerts in response to Massa's body language?

And then there's the Gedanken-Experiment I indulged myself with, a while back. What if one asks his pothead neighbor, "Hey, save that bong water for me, wouldya? I think it would make a great practical joke to rub it on, or pour it into the ventilator intake of, the car owned by (pick one) neighbor I dislike, ex-wife/husband, Mom and Dad, the Police Dept.,etc. etc."

Nah. This is bad, this is wrong. IMHO, the rot set in with Marbury vs. Madison, so this is to be expected.
 
Close Enough For Government Work?

According to US v. Limares, 269 F.3d 794 (7th Cir. 2001), 62% accuracy for a drug dog is considered reliable enough for meeting the standard of PC.

Hey, two out of three ain't bad!
 
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Wait a minute, I thought we were talking about drug dogs, not the accuracy of death row convictions!

I'm joking, but I'm not. :(
 
All of this discussion would be moot if it wasn't for the War On People Using Unauthorized Substances ... :rolleyes:

I don't touch the junk myself (except caffeine and chocolate :p ) and make every attempt not to associate with people who do. So what do I have to worry about ????

Well, I guess now I have to worry about someone leaning against my vehicle (or throwing something in the back of my pickup*), and wonder who might have owned my rig before I got it (I never buy new vehicles anymore).

For that matter, what about the person(s) stuck or broke down along the road that I might have given a ride to ...? (not to mention ending a sentence with a preposition)

So you don't have anything to worry about as long as you:
1) Always buy new cars with the factory equipped force field that prevents any unauthorized persons from touching it.
2) Never let anyone ride with you without first checking them out with your own drug sniffing dog.


* BTW, just FYI, I have so many tools and toolboxes and gas/oil cans and scrap lumber and hay and bark and pine cones and deer hairs in the back of MY pickup that almost anything could be in there without my knowledge. :D
 
Folks, there's one point which must be made in all of this. The U.S. Supreme Court in the two Robinette cases has said that in a traffic stop, an officer may not investigate beyond the reason for the stop without a reasonable articulabe suspicion. IN other words, they can only keep you there long enough to handle the traffic offense unless they can point to some suspicion that more than a traffic offnse was going on.

From what I've seen of THR members, there will not likely be anything more that an officer can rely on. No one would be verbally abusive to the officer. No one will be driving in a known drug area late at night. No one will be in a vehicle with a stripped column. No one will be visibly nervous (more than any normal person). So, the officer writes your citation, hands it to you, and off you go. Same as before. Go about your business.

Now, as an aside, you all got me thinking about my car. I have on many ocassions transported evidence to and from the lab in my car, or carried evidence in my briefcase to and from court. ON more occassions than I care to guess, it was some type of controlled substance. Wonder what would happen if Draven (my favorite local canine cop) sniffed my car? :eek:
 
fisrt off , you caffeine users who think you arent on drugs=
WAKE up! go ahead and try to have a day without your coffee.
pretend you are not an addict, that it has no impact on your life.
pretend that i dont wake up refreshed every morning , wanting only some juice and i feel alive!
how do you feel without your coffee?

my mom cant go 10 minutes without a sip or she gets a headache.
believe you are not needing a stimulant to function all day. yeah right.

"Seemed nervous" is now probable cause???

has been for years. good enough reason to bring the dogs by this lady i know, she did 18 months on it.

i dont like this one bit. sure , if the dogs NEVER made a mistake, and if i could trust every officer on earth not to be corrupt, it would be fine, but the dogs make mistakes, and worse, cops in bodunk towns are NOT fair to outsiders.

once you here a cop say to another =
"oh,. you planted that stuff on him? hahhahah!"

even though he didn't, (he said "i found more plant stuff " )

it was not cool at all. if they hadnt found a little herb on my buddy ,they woul have put some there and charged him.

so now how hard will it be for some cops to pull me over, tell me the dog found something, and rip apart my car for no reason at all.
I am completely legal to puff here in CA, and you can bet my clothes might smell enough for a dog.

some day , someone will make a machine that can scan vehicles for all this stuff accurately. that i would accept.
but allowing police to run dogs around cars without first questioning stoppee,
determining through normal means (and yes, much as i hate it, i would call a person getting very nervous suspicious) whether a search is warranted,
i dont like it.
it's a search without a reason, and an unreliable one at that.

just what i would need, some dog smells 3 week old resin on my jacket and i am detained for who knows how long.
 
Where's the tinfoil hat smilely when I need it?? Some of you people really read too much into things. Do you actually think that because of this ruling there's going to be dogs on every corner and police stopping everyone going 1MPH over the limit to have a sniff?? Come on get real!

My dept. has two K9 Officers. One has a drug dog, and one has a tracking dog (well he did until it just recently died). A drug dog is just that......DRUG DOG.....it won't be hitting on gunpower, fireworks or a sulfer smelling boiled egg.....so relax. We also don't have every car we stop wait around until we can call him out to have a sniff. In fact he won't even bother to come out unless we have something more solid than just a "hunch".

The plain fact of the matter is you don't have to be a genius or a rocket scientist to figure out which cars probably have drugs in them and which ones don't. So unless you ride around in a filthy car that's all cluttered up and smell like you haven't bathed in a week I wouldn't worry all that much about getting worked over by a K9.
 
Now, as an aside, you all got me thinking about my car. I have on many ocassions transported evidence to and from the lab in my car, or carried evidence in my briefcase to and from court. ON more occassions than I care to guess, it was some type of controlled substance. Wonder what would happen if Draven (my favorite local canine cop) sniffed my car?
An interesting question.

Since from the balance of your post I infer that you must be a prosecutor or someone otherwise acting in an official capacity, why don't you have lunch some day with Draven's handler and ask him to have the dog sniff your car just to get the answer? If you do, please post the results.
 
Government assistance

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I can't count the times I've seen people standing around their cars helplessly watching cops/police/JBTs/ or whatever throwing their possessions on the ground and cutting up upholstery on the roadside near the border.

Nothing's found, no harm, no foul... eh wot?

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Wow you should be a detective with being able to drive by a scene and sum it up that quick. Unless of course you've stopped each time that you've seen this occur, confirmed that the people were indeed "helpless" and that the police either had no reason to search or always found nothing.

Well, I detect, that when you see 4-6 people, 2 or 3 of which are children standing at the roadside helpless and supervised only by the khaki butts of both cops at the scene... The front ends of said cops are in the car and throwing clothing and possesions out on the ground. To me this just isn't an obvious drug bust.

To me, it follows that if it really were a drug bust, one of the cops would keep the suspects covered and supervised while the other searched.

Just how many small time drug people pile their whole family in a car and head out across the desert to make a delivery?

Or, is it just that I'm a "civilian" and therefore have no credibility?
 
To me, it follows that if it really were a drug bust, one of the cops would keep the suspects covered and supervised while the other searched.

According to proper procedure yes one would think that, however, out in the field I've seen proper procedure go by the wayside more times than I'd care to remember.

Just how many small time drug people pile their whole family in a car and head out across the desert to make a delivery?

More than you'd expect. The smart ones use it as a decoy to lower suspicion of them, the dumb ones.....well they're just dumb criminals.....we usually don't catch the smart ones.

Or, is it just that I'm a "civilian" and therefore have no credibility?

Now you're just putting words in my mouth and trying to bait me. Has nothing to do whether you are a "civilian", alien, martian, or egyptian.....I don't go drive by other people's jobs and without having any experience in it tell them what they are doing wrong and how they should do it based on my opinions....that would be ignorant no matter what you call me.
 
thorn, the difference is that I won't get arrested if I get stopped with a cup of coffee in my pickup ..... :rolleyes: geez

At least until some fruit juice drinking do-gooders decide that I'm hurting myself and make a law against coffee, too :p :D

Do you actually think that because of this ruling there's going to be dogs on every corner and police stopping everyone going 1MPH over the limit to have a sniff??
No, not at all. Just a gradual erosion of rights and protections.

So unless you ride around in a filthy car that's all cluttered up
Ah, the housekeeping police state :p
 
I guess this would be the time to repeat that in law school, I noticed every case where the Supremes blew another hole in the 4th Amendment, it was a WOD case.

If a drug dog's sniff isn't a search, then neither is forcing the driver to open the trunk for an Officer Eyeball Observation :rolleyes: Seems the Supremes mixed up the grounds for the search with the object of the search. "Oh, it's contraband, so there's no privacy interest." HELLO, RING RING: the constitutionality of the search isn't determined by what is found, it is determined by the basis for the search -- regardless of what is found.
Hell, given the supreme's logic, any search that finds contraband is by definition OK -- regardless of the basis. What are these guys on the court smoking? Are they reading the same 4th Amendment I am?????? :cuss:


Sadly, I used to think the next civil war would begin in 2011, when the Social Security tax and Medicare tax are quadrupled to pay the baby boomers' retirement/medical bills.

Now, unfortunately, I think the next civil war will be a backlash against police. And I expect it around 2008, because in that Presidential election year, I predict each of the major party candidates will run on a "ONLY A POLICE STATE CAN TRULY SET YOU FREE" platform.

What a shame. And it isn't all the good cops that are causing it; it's the few bad cops who will abuse this that will cause the backlash. The truest measure of any law is not the good it can do, but the evil that can be done under it.
 
Hawkmoon, excellent suggestion. I'll try that, or at least have him try the briefcase when he's in the office some time.
I am a prosecutor, and all of the drugs that have come into my possession have been in sealed evidence bags, but they are not air-tight.

Let me take a moment here to say that every time I post in a pro-law enforcement manner, I am referring to honest cops trying to do an honest job. I have no use for dishonest cops, or dirty cops (who are just criminals.) I have prosecuted cops before. Not a lot of fun, but the law is the law. the best thing is, the honest cops didn't give me a bad time for doing it. The honest cops hate the bad/dirty cops as much as you do. So, try to relax. Bad cops are the exception, not the rule (at least in my little part of the world.)
 
If a police state is inevitable – and I believe it is – I pray it happens sooner rather than later.
 
From what I've seen of THR members, there will not likely be anything more that an officer can rely on. No one would be verbally abusive to the officer. No one will be driving in a known drug area late at night. No one will be in a vehicle with a stripped column. No one will be visibly nervous (more than any normal person). So, the officer writes your citation, hands it to you, and off you go. Same as before. Go about your business.
unless you ride around in a filthy car that's all cluttered up and smell like you haven't bathed in a week I wouldn't worry all that much about getting worked over by a K9.
:uhoh: What If I am more nervous? What if I happen to live in a "known drug area" and I'm driving home late at night? What if I do drive a cluttered car and stink? Is it any less wrong?
 
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