High End .22
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Most of the photos I have seen of them look really nice. I have not personally handled one. Looking forward to seeing the photos of your rifle.
InTheField, Question - like maybe some others, I was taken aback that the bolt knob of these new 1710’s is a “plastic” (composite) material - that really surprised me!!!!! Is this a new Anschutz thing; is your bolt knob not metal?
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Mine is steel. It is one of the options Canyon Creek has. They may be available aftermarket.
Referring back to your last post about some of the great looking stocks at Anschutz NA, I now recall that Canyon Creek was working with them on stocking some extra nice rifles. Might be a cheaper way of getting such a rifle(?).
Referring back to your last post about some of the great looking stocks at Anschutz NA, I now recall that Canyon Creek was working with them on stocking some extra nice rifles. Might be a cheaper way of getting such a rifle(?).
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In and earlier post on this thread I mentioned that Griffin & Howe made some elegant .22 rimfire sporters by customizing Springfield M-22's. Which are now considered among the highest ever of high end .22's ever built. This one was made about 1950's, with G&H's distinctive classic stock styling and checkering plus considerable metal refinements with M-70 style safety, reshaped and checkered bolt handle and case color detailing, Unertl scope is vintage 1950's era. Compared here with a standard issue M-22. .
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InTheField, I purchased this Meister grade 1710 (w/ two stage trigger) this morning; I am told that it should arrive at my FFL this Tuesday. I also ordered what I was told are premium rings by Kelbly (they require no base and secure directly to the milled receiver). This rifle has a test target of 5 RWS .22 rounds at 50 meters in one hole - pretty impressive. I am excited to shoot it -
we shall see how it wrings out.
we shall see how it wrings out.
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Now let’s be very honest here, if you were a deer, wouldn’t you rather be killed with a pretty custom rifle as opposed to a Walmart counter rifle - deer have feelings too!!!!![/QUOTE]
If there actually is a "deer heaven", and some buck doesn't like what he's just been sent there with, he can always complain to Saint Michaël the Elkangel.
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Steve S., looks like you did very well!! Now there are at least two classy 1710's in the Show Me State!
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Not often seen, but an attractive and practical reason for "high end" .22's is having them built in matching pairs with centerfire rifles. This pair began with a Winchester M-52 and '09 Argentine Mauser action with metal work on what became a .30/06 hunting rifle by Dave Talley and fantastic matching stockwork by Dale Goens. The 52's cheap "strap tin" trigger guard was replaced with elegantly sculptured bottom metal with clip release, with back of receiver sculpted to gracefully flowing tang safety..
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How much accuracy does “bling” add. And who is going to take a 7K 22 squirrel hunting. No me but then…….I live on a fixed income.
"Bling" rifles don't often shoot as well as they look. They're sometimes subject to variations in POI, due to tight bedding and slight seasonal wood warpage, caused by the excessive woodgrain. (Does this help you feel better?)
BTW: The photo is of a cheap Rem 581 that I put on a (floated) custom-turned benchrest barrel, with the action bedded in a Fajen thumbhole blank that I found in a gun store barrel...sculpted it to fit me, a trigger that I lightened, and a bench pad added to the rounded forend (for benchrest shooting). It's not just a pretty face...she shoots really nice. (NOT for sale.) Not counting the scope, I've got all of $250 in it.
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Bling and practicality. I like it.
IDK, I spent my entire life being practical, I invested very wisely to get to the ability to purchase rifle bling. I will have that engraved on my military headstone - “He was practical and he he died with lots of money!” Something just seems to be missing there?????
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I've attended several of the " American Custom Gunmakers Guild Shows" in both Reno and Las Vegas, NV and met quite a few of the folks who build these "over-the-top" beautiful custom rifles. All those that I've visited at these show also strive to make these rifles so they shoot more than acceptable "three shot" 100 yard groups with the best factory ammunition they can buy.
Proper bedding, and all the wood sealing goes in before the "bling" is added, and I can't even imagine a buyer investing the $$$$ they do, into one of these custom projects who would expect, and accept, anything less.
Many of those who display at these Guild Shows have some of their work on their display tables along with 3-round targets with groups just as impressive as the finished products they turn out.
Proper bedding, and all the wood sealing goes in before the "bling" is added, and I can't even imagine a buyer investing the $$$$ they do, into one of these custom projects who would expect, and accept, anything less.
Many of those who display at these Guild Shows have some of their work on their display tables along with 3-round targets with groups just as impressive as the finished products they turn out.
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Mr. SGW Gunsmith is right on with his comprehensive description and assessment of the high end rifles created by elite firearms craftsmen. Typically, after final fitting and bedding are completed the maker will bench test the still-unfinished rifle for accuracy. Only after he is satisfied it measures up to his high standards will the final finishing, checkering and detailing be completed. In such exclusive companies of artist/craftsmen uttering vulgar phrases as "free floated barrel" will get you expelled or your mouth washed out with Hoppe's No.9..
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SGW Gunsmith
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^^^^^^^An
d everyone of the makers I've spoken with, like Don Allen, Dale Goens, Al Biesen, Jerry Fisher, Jim Coffin, Darwin Hensley, Steven Dodd Hughes, Maurice Ottmar, to name just a few, work from stock blanks. I'll bet that if any were to be asked, they'd most likely rather be hung by their thumbs, rather than start with a semi-inlet that needs several pounds of "putty" for the action fit, rather than using the "spot and scrape" process until it fits. Tedious, but exacting, and expected from an artisan.
As for myself, I learned a whole lot of stuff from talking with those masters. And I continue to keep trying:
d everyone of the makers I've spoken with, like Don Allen, Dale Goens, Al Biesen, Jerry Fisher, Jim Coffin, Darwin Hensley, Steven Dodd Hughes, Maurice Ottmar, to name just a few, work from stock blanks. I'll bet that if any were to be asked, they'd most likely rather be hung by their thumbs, rather than start with a semi-inlet that needs several pounds of "putty" for the action fit, rather than using the "spot and scrape" process until it fits. Tedious, but exacting, and expected from an artisan.
As for myself, I learned a whole lot of stuff from talking with those masters. And I continue to keep trying:
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If it were me, for 7k I would get a .50bmg or 338 Lapua magnum, and but the best stock money can buy, but I can’t afford that so a very nice savage .22 with the best stock money can but will do.
https://www.savagearms.com/content?p=firearms&a=product_summary&s=25735
https://www.savagearms.com/content?p=firearms&a=product_summary&s=25735
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SGW Gunsmith
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Hmmmm! .50 BMG rounds are what? Around $3.50 each. And some folks complain about .22 Long Rifle rounds that cost $0.14 each. Guess I'll just never get it.
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People don’t buy 50bmg to go plinking all day with it.Hmmmm! .50 BMG rounds are what? Around $3.50 each. And some folks complain about .22 Long Rifle rounds that cost $0.14 each. Guess I'll just never get it.
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A vudoo is worth a look. Will fit any rem700 stock, use rem700 triggers, ai pattern mag etc.
It will shoot and they are top notch to deal with.
It will shoot and they are top notch to deal with.
I've only had one Savage .22LR, but it was my first new rifle and it was a semi-auto. It wasn't particularly accurate, but I shot it out and it wouldn't group better than 6" groups at 50 yards...after shooting about a few hundred thousand rounds through it. (Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without.) The large group, shot when I was about 18yrs, was the only time I ever shot it on paper. I remember junking it and buying a lever-action Marlin Mountie to replace it. The marlin didn't shoot aerial targets nearly as well, but I loved that little rifle.
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You're kidding!
Skylerbone
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When you consider round count for a .22 Rimfire vs any other owned, I can honestly say nothing in my safe is used more. Add in ammo prices and having a top notch rifle simply makes good sense. Owning one that is also stunning in the looks department just adds to the package.
I received my “Meister” grade 1710 Anschutz from Anschufz, NA today. A beautiful rifle that I am sure will shoot well. I am a bit disappointed that the bolt body had a rust spot on it that did wipe off but left a stain in the metal. Also, the bolt knob has three dings/ chips in it (nothing horrid but there nonetheless). I sent an e-mail to Anschufz about the bolt cosmetic problems; I am certain that they will make it right. Anyway, I cannot wait to shoot this rifle.
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