clubsoda22
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Skunky, I took a look at my holster and i found that it would interfere with holstering. I hope to find a UTL at a good price.
HK USP .40 Tactical: Rediculously Tactical (DUW)
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Very nice 
i wish I could bet something w/ a threaded barrel...or maybe just a threaded barrel for my Expert!
Congrats dude!
i wish I could bet something w/ a threaded barrel...or maybe just a threaded barrel for my Expert! Congrats dude!
clubsoda22
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Hey, is $150 a good price for a new UTL?
10-Ring
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Yes, that's a good price!
clubsoda22
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How good of a price? "Better than average" or "holy crap! eat that up!"
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I haven't priced them for over a year, so I couldn't say exactly. But it is better than average from what I recall.
It's a hot night. The mind races. A 17 hour flight to La Paz etched in red traces on my eyeballs. I had packed my HK USP .40S&W with its captured recoil buffer system and Peters Stahlish lock up. . . .
Oh nevermind, we've been over this topic before.
Get a SIG already.
Oh nevermind, we've been over this topic before.
Get a SIG already.
Waste of Money
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Very nice!
Bet it whips up potatoes real smooth too!
Love to see a range report.
Bet it whips up potatoes real smooth too!
Love to see a range report.
clubsoda22
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A sig is on my list, but before that i need
1) a revolver (thinking taurus tracker .357)
2) a rifle (thinking arsenal SAM-7)
3) either a sig 220 or a small 9mm (like an XD9 subcompact), depends if i have my CWP by then.
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this is what they call it at ccfa " What is causing the muzzle taming is 1) the weight and moment (leverage) arm of the flash suppressor and the forces of the gases exiting having a "gyroscopic" effect on the muzzle - i.e., making it want to resist any change in position same as a gyro does."
No offense intended, but unless you are handloading super duper muzzle blast ammo, you really don't get that much flash with regular loads. Not nearly enough to blind you or really even have much effect on your shooting. I've been to night shoots where we had everybody test their various carry ammo, so you would get to see the flash from 20-30 different loads. Only a few were bad enough to cause any sort of vision problem.
I shot in 2 night matches last year. Took 1st in one, 2nd in the other. My load was using good old Winchester 231 and it barely produced an orange glow out of a 5 inch barrel. I burned through a couple hundred rounds and the only vision problems I had was from using a flash light to write on the score sheets. I think flash problems from handguns are drastically overstated.
I shot in 2 night matches last year. Took 1st in one, 2nd in the other. My load was using good old Winchester 231 and it barely produced an orange glow out of a 5 inch barrel. I burned through a couple hundred rounds and the only vision problems I had was from using a flash light to write on the score sheets. I think flash problems from handguns are drastically overstated.
George Hill
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Waaayyy too tactical for me.
This is driving me to a GI 1911A1.
This is driving me to a GI 1911A1.
clubsoda22
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So, the other guys that have posted here that say they have similar setups are just spouting BS? Flash reduction is not its major advantage. An increase in accuracy, decrease in muzzle flip and increase in velocity have been noted. Vortex flash supressors on rifles do all of these things. Basically, this is a cool looking muzzle break.
If it makes you feel any better, my other two guns are a Taurus PT92 in bright stainless and a bersa thunder. Not very tactical if you ask me. I just decided to overdo it this time. I also learned to shoot on a 1911 which i love very much.
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Time for the ranger report:
Targetmaster in Chadds Ford, PA was closed for repair because their rangemaster doesn't watch the people who are shooting and those arab looking fellows who rented the MP5 shot up the roof. So I went with my buddy Jeff to French Creek Outfitters in Pheonixville, PA
French Creek Outfitters can suck it. We show up to shoot, I had shot there before with my uncle, but Jeff hadn't so he filled out the proper forms and we handed the guy behind the counter our drivers licences. At that point i was stopped by the guy who said, "You can't shoot handguns here because you're under 21 and are not with a parent." He told me it didn't matter that Jeff was 21 (not that Jeff even had to be there to make it perfectly legal). I informed them that it wasn't against the law and whipped out my letter from the Attorney General of PA confirming such. He didn't look happy and called the owner. The owner breezed over the letter and said, "sorry, but it's our policy." I politely asked what kind of policy prevents law abiding gun owners from shooting their legally purchaced guns? It sounded like a bad business policy to me. He mumbled something about his insurance company and asked us to leave. I'm not sure if it has anything to do with his insurance company or if he just said it to save face, but regardless, French Creek Outfitters and their insurance company can go screw themselves. If they want to discriminate against me due to my age, I'll take my business elsewhere and i suggest anyone in the area do so as well.
The range report will come this weekend when i can get to the range with my dad.
Targetmaster in Chadds Ford, PA was closed for repair because their rangemaster doesn't watch the people who are shooting and those arab looking fellows who rented the MP5 shot up the roof. So I went with my buddy Jeff to French Creek Outfitters in Pheonixville, PA
French Creek Outfitters can suck it. We show up to shoot, I had shot there before with my uncle, but Jeff hadn't so he filled out the proper forms and we handed the guy behind the counter our drivers licences. At that point i was stopped by the guy who said, "You can't shoot handguns here because you're under 21 and are not with a parent." He told me it didn't matter that Jeff was 21 (not that Jeff even had to be there to make it perfectly legal). I informed them that it wasn't against the law and whipped out my letter from the Attorney General of PA confirming such. He didn't look happy and called the owner. The owner breezed over the letter and said, "sorry, but it's our policy." I politely asked what kind of policy prevents law abiding gun owners from shooting their legally purchaced guns? It sounded like a bad business policy to me. He mumbled something about his insurance company and asked us to leave. I'm not sure if it has anything to do with his insurance company or if he just said it to save face, but regardless, French Creek Outfitters and their insurance company can go screw themselves. If they want to discriminate against me due to my age, I'll take my business elsewhere and i suggest anyone in the area do so as well.
The range report will come this weekend when i can get to the range with my dad.
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Mr Freeze, click here and wait for it to download. It's slightly over 12 megs, so i hope you have broadband or a lot of time on your hands.
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Oh, sorry. I was foolishly relying on that whole "law of physics" thing.
Yes, muzzle flip will decrease when you hang an additional 2 inches of slotted barrel off the front of your gun. Also, the pressure is increased by the increased length, therefore increasing the velocity. Comparing the Vortex brake on a rifle to the one on your pistol is like trying to compare the cargo area of a Honda hatchback with the trailer of an 18-wheeler. The pressures are quite a bit different.
I still can't figure out how it's "gyroscopic."
Of course that's needed to control the unbelievable power of the .40S&W round.
Aside from looking "cool," how is this tactical? Tactical is practical, and that thing doesn't look very practical to me.
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TechBrute, it's gyroscopic because it's so tactical, it makes my Pro-Tec hockey helmet spin
clubsoda22
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So...the increase in accuracy and controlability isn't practical? Interesting reasoning
I don't know what your deal is or why you're trying to flame me, maybe you're one of those guys who thinks if it's not a (1911, Sig, revolver with blued steel and walnut grips, etc) it's not worth your consideration. If so, start your own thread about how "plastic guns are stupid" or whatever your beef is. Better yet, learn to appreciate all guns. I have black ones, shiny ones, metal ones, plastic ones, politically correct ones, "evil" ones...Anyway, i don't need your bad attitude and nitpicking.
I'm not an engineering major, i'm a nursing major and am probably more qualified to tell you about what happens when a bullet hits versus what launches a bullet, so the best argument i can make is that I'm satifsied with the setup and others are satisfied with their similar setups.
Fine, i don't know what it does, but it does something that yeilds tighter groups and less recoil, and i frankly don't care exactly what that is. Perhaps your next suggestion would be for me to spend millions on a research lab and a dozen mad scientists to justify this $75 piece of metal to you? Gimme a break.
clubsoda22
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Yet another person who probably has more of a problem with me than my pistol. What's next, people calling me anti-gun for not bein a single issue voter?
Amazing, the addition of an ounce of metal makes a completely practical pistol impractical, even if it improves performance.
The gun is completely practical in every aspect. It is light, accurate, reliable and puts bullets downrange.
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"The gun is completely practical in every aspect. It is light, accurate, reliable and puts bullets downrange."
With that suppressor hanging off the end, it's not very practical for a carry weapon though.
I used to own a USP45 Tactical and I had a CDNN flash suppressor for it. It really did make a noticeable difference in muzzle flip. For Range use it's a fun thing to have but if I were going to take my gun into harm's way, I'd leave the vortex flash suppressor at home.
"The gun is completely practical in every aspect. It is light, accurate, reliable and puts bullets downrange."
With that suppressor hanging off the end, it's not very practical for a carry weapon though.
I used to own a USP45 Tactical and I had a CDNN flash suppressor for it. It really did make a noticeable difference in muzzle flip. For Range use it's a fun thing to have but if I were going to take my gun into harm's way, I'd leave the vortex flash suppressor at home.
Not at the expense of being able to carry it as easily. HK pistols are already a little on the large size, and now you're making it 2" longer. If an increase in accuracy and controlability is all you're looking for, buy a Beretta Storm in .40. The muzzle break in question just seems like too much of a compromise for the very limited returns you may get (some of which may or may not be purely psychological).
Where did I flame you? Just because I don't care for your latest toy doesn't mean I attacked you personally. Just relax.
You don't need to justify your purchases to me.See, now THAT is a personal attack. Just because I don't like your latest thing, doesn't mean I have a bad attitude.
You've obviously never seen my collection.
As long as you're happy that's all that really matters. This is an open forum for people to say what they think, even if they don't agree with you (so long as they don't turn it into a personal attack.)
One more thing about the whole "gyroscopic" issue... if it was really using "the forces of the gases exiting having a "gyroscopic" effect on the muzzle - i.e., making it want to resist any change in position same as a gyro does." or whatever, it still isn't valid. In their little imaginary gyroscopic world, the imaginary gyroscope is spinning around the axis of the barrel, correct? Therefore the muzzle flip is driving the gun upward, perpendicular to the axis of the "gyro." A gyroscope has no effect on movement perpendicular to it's axis, outside of newton's first law. It only has effect on twisting motions. I'm just saying that whoever made that has a pretty creative "marketing" department.
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