Here's what HK says on their US site:
http://hk-usa.com/hk-models/vp9/
this while this may be true for most of us, this is not true of military and police. personally if I was chosing a side arm for M&P, then I would seriously consider based on these tests. I actually like this test more than the frozen solid tests because this could be something in the field. also, I carry my sidearms in the woods for protection against wolves, cougar, and blackbear. if my gun can't handle a little sand, dirt, water, etc, then it does not belong on my hip. accidents do happen, you do fall down in the field, skid down hillsides, or even stop and sit for a while, all of which are conditions where debris can get packed into your gun. yes, if you just plan on buying a gun to shoot at an indoor range, that's great, you'll never have this issue. if you just plan on keeping it tucked into your waistband all day, great this will never be an issue, but any situation, survival, defense against 4 legged badguys, or (yes the banned topic) sthf, not to mention duty weapons should be subjected to these kinds of tests. I also like that he said that beforehand it was properly cleaned and lubed and demonstrated that it worked beforehand, just as any gun in the field would be before having any foreign matter introduced. the tests where you run a gun that's been stripped with no lube and then freeze it solid then run over it with the truck and then stuff it full of sandblasting material is completely unreal and idiotic, but the test as these guys have set it up. appears to be pretty simple and realistic depending on your locality for your application.
Fair enough, how ever I still find it highly unlikely you run your gun through a gauntlet while hiking or even in a military combat setting. "Maybe" one or two elements but all four would have to be intentional. Please state when you would need to run a gauntlet with your handgun in a real world setting. The US military and law enforcement runs their test and the sig p226 passed so I'd say the gauntlet test is not the end all be all conclusion to if a handgun is worthy. Maybe Rambo worthy but not realistic duty worthy. If the beretta m9, Cz 75 and 1911 fail the gauntlet then do we say they are no longer military grade handguns even though military's have already proven them worthy? I think we are expecting too much out of a handgun. Like I stated before, the Arex Zero 1S has raised the bar to an almost unrealistic level by the way it performed in his test and I seriously doubt any gun will run as well as that one did, including another Arex. Does that mean the Arex is the best handgun for military or law enforcement and every other should be labeled not worthy? I don't think so. Entertaining test but come on let's not get carried away
I would not be surprised either way. But you are quoting HK's competitor's hearsay vs quoting HK's official website.
Ok, however that hk statement says the vp9 is suited for military but never really states that it is in their military/law enforcement product line. Splitting hairs, I know but wording can be very tricky when it comes to gun companies. Look how Springfield Armory has tricked lots of people by stating they are the oldest name in American firearms, even though they import most if not all their firearms. And you just made my point exactly at the end of your quote. The military and law enforcement has run test on handguns before taking them into war zones and some of those very guns that passed have choked in MAC gauntlet test. I didn't know MAC (Tim) was HK's competitor, I guess we learn something everyday
Well I guess it's settled. He was lying and HK must have never told him that. Maybe he will chime in so we can hear it from the horses mouth. Either way I'm not impressed with the performance of the vp9, but I'm not willing to dismiss proven handguns do to a unrealistic gauntlet test either. I'd like to know what military or law enforcement agencies adopted the vp9/sfp9-sf as standard duty pistols. Just to see what test they did
So they are exactly the same with no differences? I thought once read somewhere there was a difference. Excuse my ignorance, I'm no HK fanboy lol
But he carries a CZ and has no plan on changing. And he hasn't tested any CZ's yet either
It doesn't mean he was lying - someone at HK may well have said that. I don't think the VP9 is a good police or military pistol - trigger is too light. But HK's official position is that it is available to military and LE sales, and they have sold them to US and large European police agencies. About 50,000 so far.
There are two SFP-9 versions, and at least one of them have a different trigger pull.
