you can convert from da/sa to LEM I don't remember the exact cost but it is cheaper than going from da/sa to DAK in the sig. I have both and while i like the DAK trigger a better than the LEM. And i like the DA/SA in Sig better than HK. But that said i would go with the p2000 sk ether in LEM or DA/SA. I do want to say that while every one is bashing the 224 for being to heavy i really like the size and weight for a 40 cal. The grip length allows me to conceal it very well and the weight allows me to shoot it very well. It is a god compromise for me. But overall i would suggest the P2000 Sk over the 224. I just got a very good deal on the 224.
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Phaedrus/69
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Some guns like the USP series can be easily converted from one variant to another with a minor parts swaps. Others can be done but HK won't do the work nor warrant it. Guns that are V3 with a decock button on the rear of the slide will have a hole in the frame if you convert them to LEM. You're much better off getting the version you want then trying to swap it later (again, unless you're talking a USP- those are very easy to change).
I don't have a lot of experience with the LEM guns, but in that particular one I would certainly go with the LEM. Personally I hate DA/SA unless it can be carried cocked-and-locked. YMMV.
I don't have a lot of experience with the LEM guns, but in that particular one I would certainly go with the LEM. Personally I hate DA/SA unless it can be carried cocked-and-locked. YMMV.
Plan2Live
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Karate - have you made the purchase yet? Care to update us on the results?
I handled a 224 in a gun store this weekend and remembered this thread. I carry a 239 and prefer DA/SA on a carry gun but the 224 felt odd to me. Keep in mind I just handled it, I didn't shoot it because they don't have one on a rental rack. I would like to shoot a 2000sk some day but haven't found a rental range around here with one on the rental rack.
I handled a 224 in a gun store this weekend and remembered this thread. I carry a 239 and prefer DA/SA on a carry gun but the 224 felt odd to me. Keep in mind I just handled it, I didn't shoot it because they don't have one on a rental rack. I would like to shoot a 2000sk some day but haven't found a rental range around here with one on the rental rack.
I went with the P2000sk..It was lighter and thinner than the 224...and having adjustable backstraps help get the best fit possible to my hand...it shoots really well and I have not had a single problem...accuracy is really amazing...The DA trigger is a little heavier than I would have hope...but I was told that it gets better the more it is fired...and it does seem to be getting smoother...I have shot it a good bit say around 500 rounds...and dry fired it way more...the SA trigger is really nice....I am totally happy with the purchase...I have a Silent Thunder paddle holster and also a Silent Thunder STX 2.0 holster for it...I also ordered a Milt Sparks VM2 for it...great carry gun...I also added night sights
The 224 to me was a little awkward felling in my had....thats the best way I can explain it...top heavy and a bit thick...and heavy....it did seem to have great DA/SA trigger...but when I lokked at the whole package... I passed on it.
There will be some that find they love the 224 but it just was NOT for me
I couldn't be happier with the 2000sk
The 224 to me was a little awkward felling in my had....thats the best way I can explain it...top heavy and a bit thick...and heavy....it did seem to have great DA/SA trigger...but when I lokked at the whole package... I passed on it.
There will be some that find they love the 224 but it just was NOT for me
I couldn't be happier with the 2000sk
Plan2Live
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Another advantage of the HK over the 224 and many, many other "fighting pistols" is it's ambi slide stop. This feature is particularly handy if you ever have to perform a double feed clearance maneuver one handed with your support hand.
With the rear mounted decocker, ambi slide stop and ambi mag release the 2000sk is fully ambidextrous.
With the rear mounted decocker, ambi slide stop and ambi mag release the 2000sk is fully ambidextrous.
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p224 is heavy but "feels right" to me. Then again, I've carried a p228 for the better part of 20 years, so the manual arms and overall ergonomics were most familiar to me.
Having said that, I really, really wanted to like the HK2000sk. A more carry-friendly weight, slimmer, etc... But I just could not get used to it. My HK p6 seems to be the only HK that I enjoy and can really utilize.
Having said that, I really, really wanted to like the HK2000sk. A more carry-friendly weight, slimmer, etc... But I just could not get used to it. My HK p6 seems to be the only HK that I enjoy and can really utilize.
I also added a Kahr P380 to the family...I went with the P series over the CW380...Two reason one the one I ordered came with 3 mags....second I wanted all black...really like the Kahr...great little backup...and sometimes it is the only gun I can carry
Plan2Live
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Just for kicks I went to a local gun store and handled a 2000sk today. I have to admit that it felt a lot better in my hand than the 224 does. The 2000sk is much lighter and feels more balanced to me than the 224 did. I was impressed with how thin the HK grip feels for a staggered magazine. However, the mag release paddle was difficult for me to reach with my thumb and the pressure needed on the paddle to release the magazine was a bit excessive in my opinion. Maybe it was just new and stiff.
Comparing the 2000sk to my Sig 239, I would gain two rounds in a slightly smaller package with the HK. I lose ease of mag changes and barrel length. I'll stick with the 239 for now but the 2000sk is interesting.
Comparing the 2000sk to my Sig 239, I would gain two rounds in a slightly smaller package with the HK. I lose ease of mag changes and barrel length. I'll stick with the 239 for now but the 2000sk is interesting.
Phaedrus/69
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IIRC it's bicycle inner tube.
Yes, it's just a bicycle innertube. Old gun forum trick going back many, many years.
I haven't found any slip on grip made for a gun I like. I don't like palm swells and finger grooves. And, most of them are made too thick - so where the rubber ends against the gun is very noticeable. The innertube looks ugly, but works great!
I now have it on the P2000sk:
and also on my shield:
I haven't found any slip on grip made for a gun I like. I don't like palm swells and finger grooves. And, most of them are made too thick - so where the rubber ends against the gun is very noticeable. The innertube looks ugly, but works great!
I now have it on the P2000sk:
and also on my shield:
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Guys,
How much are you seeing each gun for locally?
I haven't seen the P224 locally. I haven't paid any attention to HK at all but I will have a look next time I go.
How much are you seeing each gun for locally?
I haven't seen the P224 locally. I haven't paid any attention to HK at all but I will have a look next time I go.
They dropped the price of the P2000s. I paid $620 plus tax, new, locally. They are around that price online too.
The Sig 224 a nickel is $900 local. I paid about $760 or so (online last year) for the Nickel version of the 224 I previously had. Other versions are cheaper than the nickel version.
The Sig 224 a nickel is $900 local. I paid about $760 or so (online last year) for the Nickel version of the 224 I previously had. Other versions are cheaper than the nickel version.
Phaedrus/69
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If I could find a P2000 or P2000sk (V2 LEM) locally I would have already bought it.
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