Hoarding and pricing 'the little people' out of the market,,,

[WVsig]

And gas is up a lot more, food is as well, as is housing, insurance, utilities and taxes.......so what?

Really gas seems to be pretty close to what it was in 2005. LOL

Lowest since 2009... $2.64 avg per gallon. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ices-will-average-just-264-a-gallon/21292327/

My food bill has not increased by that amount but that might have a lot to do with what I eat. Not a meat, processed food or dairy heavy diet. I purchase things in a very $$ conscious manner. Try to eat seasonally and locally.

My housing is the same based on a 30 now shortened to a 15 year mortgage.

My auto insurance is up but more a reflecting of what I drive and where I drive. I would agree my homeowners is up.

Utilities maybe up by the same rate.

Taxes are higher but so is income.

 

[hatt]

I have a box of Q3131 from around 94. Price tag from Sports Authority is $3.96. Inflation calculator says that buys $6.24 today. Oddly about the same price as M193.

A box of Stingers bought in the early to mid 80s. $3.50.

 

[WVsig]

I have a box of Q3131 from around 94. Price tag from Sports Authority is $3.96. Inflation calculator says that buys $6.24 today. Oddly about the same price as M193

I guess that is the way I see it. Ammo is not really as inflated a people believe it is. 22LR again is the exception not the rule.

All poodles are dogs not all dogs are poodles.

That is why I simply do not understand or agree with the OP. Everything is more expensive it is not just ammo. A friend of mine took her 7 year old to the sporting goods store to get him spring baseball equipment and after the $50 helmet, $45 shoes she put back the $190 bat. People tend to hyper focus on the things they care about and the increase in prices "seem" like they are more drastic but in reality they aren't. Its not hoarding it is real world consumer pricing inflation.

The real issue is that wages have kept up with "real world" inflation at the consumer level. IMHO

 

[Thermactor]

re: 9mm a buck a round
Interesting.
The Wal-Mart in wealthy suburban Mason, OH had lots (10 boxes, so thats $100 worth LOL) of Federal aluminum 9mm 50 round packs for $9.97.
I snapped up a few boxes and, believe it or not, tried it out the next day at the range.
Shot decently well in a Sig P22x series gun.

Sigh... I'd hate to see the panic spill over into the other calibers too but here we are, and there we were the other few times this ish hit the fan.

 

[Onmilo]

LOL, they said the same thing about gas.

+1
Pricing is based on demand and supply.

 

[MagnunJoe]

Ironically enough 3 months after Sandy Hook I stated shooting a lot more trap and skeet than ever. Since it was the only ammo U could get your hands on in bulk I became an avid shotguner and I loved it. Since then, 75% of my shooting has been trap & skeet.
I do believe that eventually range .22LR will be more available and at 7 cents per round, not 5 like it was 3 years ago, but not 11 cents either.
In the mean time we must adapt, and shoot what ever is available or not shoot at all.

 

[HammsBeer]

LOL, they said the same thing about gas.

Understand is that there is a lot more international political influence and developing nation demand on world oil markets. The Saudi's were flooding the market lately with tons of cheap oil to try and put a damper on the shale/fracking oil competition. As they start to curb oil supply again, the prices rise. There is no such equivalent big ammo conglomerate that's going to flood the ammo market with cheap ammo to try and run out competitors. Prices on luxuries like ammo are influenced by 1st world consumer demand and spikes in demand from potential bans, rather than essentials like cheap energy requirements from every corner of the globe.

Look at the extreme up/down changes in gas prices vs the relatively steady but gradual rise in ammo prices. The ground tap can be turned on and off to effect prices; ammo can only be made so fast vs demand and metals costs.

 

[jcwit]

The Saudi's flooded the market with raw oil, the same could happen with raw material for the ammo manufactures.

 

[WVsig]

The Saudi's flooded the market with raw oil, the same could happen with raw material for the ammo manufactures.

The difference is that there is refining capacity to handle the oil there is no capacity to make more 22lr. That is why you see that market higher than any other.

 

[Thermactor]

The reason the Sig runs better with GB's is they are high velocity. Try CCI Mini Mags HV and it will run fine AND be more accurate. Every .22 prefers a specific ammo, but I have NEVER seen one shoot accurately with cheap bulk ammo be it Fed, Rem, Win... . By accurate I'm talking 20rd 50yd groups under 3/4"

I'll give you that point.
I didn't start buying .22lr again (I had a bunch, sold it all a while ago, was starting from zero) until after SH. So for me its taking whatever I can get.
Its true that HV ammo is recommended for the conversion kits.
Accuracy for me is a moot point. I'm shooting it darn near point blank at a pistol range, just getting trigger time in on the cheap per round, and trying to unlearn the flinch.

Although..
sometimes I wonder about the real savings of training with 22lr at 9-12 cents per round, vs. cheap 9mm at 20 cents per round.

 

[MagnunJoe]

What's wonderful about this country is that we always have a choice.
I buy my gas at Cosco, always 10 to 15 cents per gallon cheaper that any othe gas station.
Now if only Cosco were friendly to guns. They do sell good and enexpensive gun safes.

 

[oneounceload]

Really gas seems to be pretty close to what it was in 2005. LOL

Not really when I moved to FL in 2003, gas was 1.49, now it is 2.49 and inbetween was as high as $4.00. Point is, the COST of doing business has gone way up the last 6 years, yet using inflation calculators, ammo has remained fairly steady in price if not availability.

 

[Agsalaska]

Everyone wants to make shooting, guns, etc. sound real expensive. Its really not. Its not really that expensive at all.

 

[WVsig]

Not really when I moved to FL in 2003, gas was 1.49, now it is 2.49 and inbetween was as high as $4.00. Point is, the COST of doing business has gone way up the last 6 years, yet using inflation calculators, ammo has remained fairly steady in price if not availability.

I think we are pretty much in agreement on the ammo part. The gas part we differ but that is not really the point of this thread. You can cherry pick a point in time that furthers one argument or another but we are not on a gas forum. LOL

Hoarding IMHO is not what is moving the cost of ammo north.

 

[oneounceload]

Agree, adding a few million more gun owners helps the demand curve though; add in threats from the government over prohibiting this or that and whether you believe the stories about the gov't buying up all the ammo and then destroying it to keep it out of our hands, yadda, yadda, yadda doesn't help those who might panic.

 

[P5 Guy]

Went to the LGS looking for some 55g 5.56x45. Everything in that caliber sold out. Brown Bear 9mm $20.00 a box of 50.
They did have some rimfire but I didn't look for a price.

 

[oneounceload]

There are several shops in the Tampa area that are known for that, but there are also others who aren't

 

[12many]

I notice a difference in how many rounds people shoot or think they need to go shooting.

Plinking use to mean sitting or walking around shooting a box, maybe two of 22 LR in a bolt gun That could take some time mixed in with some talking and setting up targets or walking about.

Now it seems like it is a contest to pull the trigger as fast as possible with a semi-auto, aiming optional. To each his own, but you can sure blow through some ammo and make it seem like ya need 500 rounds a week. If ya drink all your beer on a Friday night, ya won't have any on Saturday.

 

[jcwit]

When we get this current administration out of office it will be interesting to see just what will happen.

Like I posted earlier, many said gas would NEVER come down, well that has been proven false, no matter the cause!

We shall see what happens to ammo in the future, no one here has a clear view into the crystal ball.

 

[oneounceload]

As said before, gas went up, came down some, and went up again. It has nothing to do with this administration, but it is still higher than a dozen years ago.
Ammo is priced what it is.

 

[22-rimfire]

If you were looking for a cheap hobby for the "little guy", shooting is not it.

Search and find the best deals out there, buy in bulk, buy when the market is in a slump (like AR's right now), and you can have enough stashed away to continue shooting during droughts or market price swings.

But I'll tell you this, when it comes to ammo, the costs will just continue to rise.

I also agree that ammo prices will continue to rise overall. I don't expect to see $0.03/round 22 ammo any time soon. But, $0.10/round.... I think it will get better. But, I mostly think the better is going to be more variety or choices rather than great prices for the most part.

Another poster mentioned waiting for $0.99/gal gasoline and refusing to drive until the price comes down. Well... honestly, I am one of those people (sort of) at least for recreational driving. At $3.00/gallon and higher, I drew the line and drove nowhere I didn't have to. Right now it's better, but prices are edging up again.

Now comparing that to shooting 22's, I have cut way down in the amount I shoot even though I have a substantial cache. Honestly, I will probably not have to buy another round of promotional 22 ammo for the rest of my life, but I will have to buy target grade ammo.

I love to shoot, but it pains me to use up even my supply when I know I can't replace it easily.

So, my cache of 22 ammo was not at anyone's expense as availability was good then. I bought some stuff by the case (5000 rounds) and promotional grade stuff usually in one or two brick increments weekly and sometimes twice a week. I have very little bulk on hand (maybe 10 bulk packs). Federal Lightnings/Champions (#510's) have been my favorite general purpose 22 fodder for the last 10 years. Have not seen ANY in years.

I buy my gas at Cosco, always 10 to 15 cents per gallon cheaper that any othe gas station.

There is that pesky annual membership fee however and it takes a fair amount of gas to cover that. I am a member at Sams Club. Lately, their price has been about the same as regular gas stations rather than the 10 to 15 cents difference. I notice Sam's Club pricing is about the same as other souces when prices seem to be increasing.

 

[alexander45]

Owning guns and shooting never has been cheap. 25 years ago my first handgun cost me close to a two week pay check. A box of ammo cost about 2.5 hours wage.

lol doesn't sound like much has changed at all that's about what I paid 2ish years ago getting in to it

 

[JSH1]

Not true at all. Adjusted for inflation, most ammunition is about as cheap as it's ever been....

You are correct of course. However, I know a lot of people that reject the idea of inflation. The only think in current dollars and spend a lot of time complaining that EVERYTHING has gone up in price.

 

[12many]

I don't know how good this is, but there is a good bit of it.

LAXAMMO.com - just ordered from them and no complaints.
1575 rounds for $180 plus shipping - Probably $200 to your door. Not great pricing, but that would cover me for at least a year with my bolt rifles and some walking around.

 

[jcwit]

You are correct of course. However, I know a lot of people that reject the idea of inflation. The only think in current dollars and spend a lot of time complaining that EVERYTHING has gone up in price.

If in fact this is totally true the manufactures of high quality match ammo have found a way to hold the price line for the last 5 to 10 years.