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Hoarding is getting to me!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by exbrit49, Jan 28, 2013.

  1. nathan

    nathan Mentor

    Feb 4, 2003
    No time to gripe now, it was forthcoming long time ago. If you didnt stock up, then just have to deal with it.
  2. nathan

    nathan Mentor

    Feb 4, 2003
    The underrated .22 LRs before preSandy Hook period were pretty much underrated of all things . NOw its the king ! Im glad i got some to get me through this dry period. The sale of Ruger 22 pistols are up since Dec 14. Naturally everyone s trying to find ways to beat the craze on 5.56s , 9mms, etc.
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2013
  3. mikechandler

    mikechandler New Member

    Feb 25, 2011
    Cheer up, it will eventually even out again. Right now there are many Americans who ignored their 2nd Amendment Rights, until it became apparent that some of our elected officials want to take them away. In a panic, they are now gearing up - and many long time shooters, who did not build up a store of supplies, are doing so now. But it won't last forever.

    When it does return to some level of normality - do yourself a favor. Every paycheck, set aside money for shooting supplies - and make sure some portion (any amount is fine) is for building a stockpile (ammo or loading supplies that will not be used in the immediate future). After a couple years you will be amazed at how much stuff you've laid up, and the next time things get crazy, you can coast through it without an issue, or if you deem it's appropriate, throw some of it back on the market, and easily recoup the cost of your entire stockpile with a small portion of it.

    Preparedness vs. Panic, and Winning vs. Whining!
  4. BGB

    BGB New Member

    Jan 29, 2013
    Tallahassee FL
    Old Rimfire Ammo can loss its puch even if kept in climate control indoors.
    I had CCI 22mag solid points fire strong and weak all from the same 50 count box.
    they have been inside in AC home for the last 5 years or more.
  5. RetiredUSNChief

    RetiredUSNChief Mentor

    Jul 9, 2012
    SC (Home), VA (Work)
    Ummm...I think there's a difference between "hoarding" and "stocking up".

    For example there were a number of years where I was not able to do much target shooting, if any. This was back in the days when WWB 9mm was $9.95/box and WWB .45 acp was $19.95/box at Walmart.

    One of the major irritants for me is to have to buy ammunition when I decide to go out shooting. It just makes it seem more expensive that way (purely psychological). So I decided that, even if I weren't shooting as much, whenever I went to Walmart and had an extra $10 or $20 bucks, I'd buy at lease one box of ammunition.

    The goal was to fill one ammo can for each caliber.

    After I did that, I started to do the same for .22 WMR. I never did that for .22 LR, mostly because it seemed silly at that time when I could buy a 550 round box for less than $5. Maybe I'll change my tune now, but we'll see.

    Over the course of 2-3 years of doing this, I has one ammo can full of each caliber.

    I now consider that my "revolving stock". I want to go shooting, I grab a few boxes and go. In between times, I buy a box here and there to stock it back up.

    I don't think that's hoarding. I think that's planning.

    That said, I'm a Hoosier born and bred, though I now live in South Carolina after retiring from the Navy. If I should happen to visit family back home, I would not object to bringing you a box or two of my stash for whatever the estimated cost for me was (I don't have receipts for them). Heck, I'd toss you a box just for being a range buddy if I were close to you.

  6. BSA1

    BSA1 Senior Member

    Apr 20, 2011
    West of the Big Muddy, East of the Rockies and Nor
    If you understand what is being said, it's not that someone has more than another. It is when in times of uncertainty, some people clean off the shelves and leave nothing for the others.

    So what? My obiligation is to my family and myself, not you or anyone else.

    Why do people continue to say it's about having more when it's about not being considerate of others when the chances are you will not come close to running out of ammo once the crisis passes.

    Why do you save money in the bank? After all chances are the economy will remain strong and you have more money saved than you will never need it in a crisis.

    If there was a permanent ban on ammo sales then that is a different story. We're talking about another mini-crisis that will pass in time. Huge difference.

    Since you are so confident why is this a issue for you? After all it is just a minor convenience.
  7. hueyville

    hueyville Active Member

    Jan 5, 2013
    Blue Ridge Mountains
    45 auto wrote:
    Last week two of my dealers and yesterday a third said that from their perspective as retailers the artificial bubble has burst. They are restocking for the third or fourth time and the stuff is not flying off the shelves like it had been. They are already seeing guns that went out six weeks ago coming back. Some of the panic crowd that hit every gun show, retailer and online store they could have their credit card bills hitting. Here, the price of an SKS on the shelf has dropped 140 bucks from its peak. AR-15's have dropped about the same. These panic buyers are already seeing the shelves fill up, the prices adjusting and are freaking out over losing out on their investment made in a time of panic. Some are already trying to cash back out before their is another price drop back toward pre panic levels and they have to pay another months interest on their cards.

    I was selling two to four SKS rifles a week up till two weeks ago. What the market is paying today compared to three weeks ago in private sales locally has gone down to a point where I will hold my remaining Combloc rifles to the next panic. Yes, there will be more of these incidents. So once the market normalizes somewhat, you regular consumers that got caught this time need to take heed and buy at a rate that will give you enough stock to get through each price bubble without feeling left out from participating in your chosen activity.

    I have been buying all things gun, ammo, reloading related for 30 years. My minimum stock is to have enough ammo and components to shoot for at least 3 to 5 years if a significant shortage were to occur. I have an emergency lot backing that up of inventory that is not to be shot unless we reach a time in our society it is necessary for survival. That said, been able to continue shooting for past two months as if nothing has happened. Still get my monthly stocking order from my LGS of reloading components regular as clockwork. He knows what I need a year ahead and has my needs planned in his rolling stock.

    Your screen name is 45 auto... I personally shoot a minimum of 150 rounds of .45 acp every week and some weeks double that. Casting my own bullets out of wheel weights and at today's price for scrap lead, powder and primers it costs me 6.50 per 100 rounds to roll my own. At the local indoor range .45 acp range ammo is 20.00 per 50 round box. to shoot 100 rounds of their ammo versus mine is a 33.50 price difference. Plus I am loading with components bought at half current prices as part of my 30 year old restocking program. By the time I get to shooting the primers and powder I am buying now, it will be a bargain by those days standards.

    Stored properly ammo and reloading supplies will last more than a lifetime. I "found" a box with five pounds of Bullseye powder a week or so ago. That will make about 2,000 rounds of .38 plinkers per pound. Price on the bottles was 7.95 per pound. Cracked a can, loaded a few and shot perfectly. Due to its age I moved this powder to front of rotation. At that price when it got stored, it is 0.004 cents per round for 38 special rounds. The math shows 20 cents a box for my powder. Costs me 0.006 to cast 140 grain SWC currently. Primers I am using were purchased when they were 14.00 per 1,000 comes to 0.014 per primer. So busting my .38 target loads this week are costing me less than 3 cents a round for 38 or 1.20 per box. I choose to put back and keep control of my inventory rather than the whims of the general public and the retailers dictate my activity.

    Last night I put two 100 round boxes of 45 acp and two 100 round boxes of .38 special and a 250 rounds of 22 lr into my ammo box for this weeks allotment as weather is nice and have some extra time to shoot. So 400 rounds of center fire handgun ammo and 250 rimfire with price of .59 box marked has my weekly ammo cost at less than 20 bucks for a total of 650 rounds. Instead of riding around like a chicken missing his head looking for a bullet, I will be relaxing at the range slinging lead and making smoke.

    Am I a hoarder? NO! I am a shooter and put the effort in so that not only can I shoot all I want this week, I can next month, next year or 5 years from now even if no gun shop in America gets a box of bullets or a can or powder for the next three years or more. I buy in bulk, on a regular schedule, in advance so that I can afford to enjoy shooting instead of posting on BBS's trying to find a 50 count box of 22 lr.

    Same reason after Katrina and everyone in the south was lining up for fuel and paying triple when a station happened to get a few gallons to sell. I pulled up to my own pump filled up my truck and had enough fuel to get through the shortage without freaking out. Common sense and the facts tell us that our supply lines in America are overtaxed and not prepared for any type of shortage or run. Average city has three days food supply in the stores. What do the same folks looking for a bullet do if the trucks stop restocking the grocery store? Starve? If the toilet paper factory burns are folks going to have to wipe their butt with the Sears catalog? Wait, its online now so it would be hard to wipe with a computer monitor. Go to the U.S. FEMA website and take the course entitled "A citizens guide to emergency preparedness". Y'all will be shocked at how ragged the edge our society is riding every day. When loaf of bread costs 50 bucks if you can find it is it going to be unfair that I put a 50 pound bag of flour in a can and can put it in my bread making machine and eat a sandwich while others are starving? When the electric grid goes down during a regular winter ice storm is it fair to my neighbors that my whole house generator which runs off a buried 1,000 gallon tank of propane kicks on within seven seconds and while other sit in the cold and dark we make microwave popcorn and watch movies? No you don't have to be rich to live like this. All it takes is prioritizing your life. My wife and I have not been out to eat in 3.5 years. While most couples are blowing 75 bucks to go to Red Lobster or Longhorns on Friday night, we fix a nice dinner at home and use the money saved to put something we may need in a box, can or bottle. While some are paying 100 plus a month for cable TV we watch free high def off an antenna on the chimney. While most are leasing a car or trading every 4 to 5 years I service our heavy duty trucks faithfully and the money saved by getting 500,000 miles per truck before buying new puts a 1,000 gallon tank of diesel and another of premium fuel underground. When the time for the new truck comes we have saved the cash and don't have to give some finance company thousands of dollars to drive out truck. making payments to yourself on the front end is cheaper than making them to someone else with interest on the back end. Is that hoarding? No, it is being responsible to see that my family is cared for in the event of any foreseeable shortage. We can eat, drive and shoot our guns. So when ammo returns to the store folks can learn the lesson and buy an extra box or two when they go to put back for the next bubble or they can only buy what they plan to shoot and be in the same situation again next time. I do feel for some of you and have actually given away, traded and sold quite a bit of ammo lately to help others. But every dime will be put aside to restock for next shortage. People can choose to live at the whim of the supply chain and its hiccups or they can put just a tad of effort into being a few months to a year ahead of the game. Everyone gets to make their own choice.
  8. Ignition Override

    Ignition Override Mentor

    Sep 15, 2007
    The Mid-South.
    When the Lee-Enfield bug first bit me in early '09, I bought not only one of the last cases of .303 ('43 English) surplus from Samco, but also asked a friend about it. His friend sold me a fair batch.
    This stuff has barely been touched, because it is long-term emergency ammo for when I retire and maybe Prvi imports (for reloading) will be heavily taxed, or banned.

    hueyville: that's superb preparation for any event.
    My wife would need refrig. insulin on a frequent bases. That's why being worried about which guns to own is academic (there would be no deer left outside the city edges anyway). Those "s***" debates about whether to have an M-1A vs. AR are the silliest arguments I've ever read, prompted by too many re-runs of "The Road Warrior"/"--Thunderdome", "The Postman" and "Red Dawn" etc.
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2013
  9. fiddleharp

    fiddleharp Member

    Oct 6, 2007
    Crackerville, Florida
    If you think this is something, wait until there is no food to be found on store shelves!
    Can't possibly happen here?
    That's what I used to think about ammo and 30-cents a gallon gasoline.
    Anybody who hasn't been "prepping" for years is a fool!
  10. mrvco

    mrvco Active Member

    Jun 1, 2011
    I know this won't be a popular view here, but I've gotta say it...

    The dark side to the hoarding is that there are countless people trying to either get into shooting or get back into shooting and the lack of and/or exorbitantly priced ammunition is making it difficult to add those new voices to our cause.

    I was out running some errands this afternoon and while I was getting gas, there was a fella ranting about how he is continuing to "stock up" on ammo... while standing on one's porch expending 20k rounds of ammo fighting off endless hoards of federal shock troops trying to forcibly take away your rights is a rather bombastic fantasy... I think that rather than continuing to hoard more and more ammunition, we'd be a lot better off taking friends and family shooting or just leaving the ammo on the shelf for those that actually "need" it, adding new shooters (read: Like-minded Voters) to our ranks will be far more valuable to our cause than filling our homes with a decade or two's supply of range ammunition and as a result alienating any potential new participants in our sport.
  11. pa350z

    pa350z New Member

    Oct 11, 2010
    Penn's Woods, USA
    I got caught low supplied during the panic of 2008-2009. Once things lightened up, I took to advice my pop gave me years ago, whenever you are out and about, pick up a box of ammo. Well, that advice worked well. At this point, I have no "real" need for ammo at this time. Also, I picked up the firearms post 08-09 that I wanted at reasonable prices. So, I have no need for any new firearms. I would suggest that those now suffering start stocking up after this panic subsides. IMHO, it will subside and things will come back to a some sort of new norm. Not sure you will be able to get 9mm WWB at $23.00 at wally world. Will probably be a few bucks more, but that is capitalism.
  12. Sauer Grapes

    Sauer Grapes Participating Member

    Feb 19, 2009
    S.E. PA.
    Sorry to hear about the Mrs. I know it's frustrating. I just bought a Mark III 22 pistol. Guess what, I have very little ammo! I got caught flat footed not thinking about 22 ammo going scarce. It's the only thing I can't hand load....:banghead:
  13. c4v3man

    c4v3man Member

    Jan 4, 2013
    Reno, NV
    You can still find .22 online, but it may be match grade expensive stuff. That being said, even match grade (or match "practice" grade) .22's are cheaper than most... Should buy several bricks to help reduce the shipping costs.
  14. NormB

    NormB New Member

    Jan 16, 2013
    socialist occupied Maryland
    When I retired - US Army - here in 1997 I had conversations on line with guys who had been shooting and collecting for decades. One guy said he had, easily, over a million rounds of ammunition at his house somewhere in SoCal. I remember thinking this was nuts.

    Then I started shooting more, buying guns I couldn't while moving around the world. Friend of mine suggested buying 1,000 rounds for each gun I bought. I found it was really easy to blow through that in a month's time with only semi-autos and revolvers and bolt guns if I went two or three times a month. More if I took my son or daughter. Bought a progressive reloading press to feed the subguns/machine guns, reloading components by the thousands. I've reloaded over 100,000 rounds since then and bought tens of thousands more. It adds up. I can shoot for a day with friends at steel to 1200 yards and easily go through 300 rounds, more if we do a little pistol shooting.

    Can't say how much I have on hand, but I don't consider myself a "hoarder."

    Someone buys a couple cases of ammo I don't think of it as hoarding.

    Someone buys 20,000 primers because they're "on sale" and available and he reloads for his pistol club or high school Palma team that's a summer's training. Not "hoarding."

    I call it all Laissez-faire free market enterprise. You know, what communists call "capitalism."

    I call it an opportunity for manufacturers to start up another shift and get those presses cranking out more finished rounds to grease the skids of Obama's - ahem, the American - economy.
  15. BP44

    BP44 Member

    Jan 6, 2008
    I'm truly sorry for the situation you found yourself in, in the future I'm sure you will be more prepared.
  16. tomrkba

    tomrkba Participating Member

    May 30, 2010
    Purchase ammo from internet stores. Natchez was advertising 22 LR in their catalog. Get on 10+ ammo sites and add 22 LR ammo to your wishlist with instant email notification. Keep the credit card handy and buy it as soon as the email lands on your phone.
  17. larryh1108

    larryh1108 Senior Member

    Aug 29, 2008
    ex-IL, ex-CT, now NC
    Correct, not hoarding.

    There is a difference between being well prepared and hoarding.
    Being well prepared is everything mentioned here. All good suggestions.

    Hoarding is having more than enough (by your average usage) to get thru this mini-crisis or a few years but as soon as the crisis hits you go clean out all the stock from the local retailers. Instead of smiling because you are well prepared by planning you compound the problem and buy up everything in sight just because you can, not because you need to. There is a big difference yet everyone who has a substantial inventory thinks this is directed at them. It isn't. You planned. You'll have plenty to wait it out. You did good. You beat the system.
  18. Hoghunter

    Hoghunter New Member

    Jul 13, 2011
    South Texas
    Excellent post! I agree 1000%. Planning ahead always beats the whining you hear from those who expect someone else to provide for their every need (like some of the recent voters).
  19. jasonmha

    jasonmha New Member

    Jul 30, 2006
    I love how people who were caught short in previous shortages are busting your chops about current people being caught short now.

    And how everybody who has been buying a box or so every now and then think you are attacking them.

    With friends like this, who needs Feinstien?
  20. ole farmerbuck

    ole farmerbuck Senior Member

    Jan 16, 2009
    Western Ks

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