Holsters: Hip Vs. Thigh

[dragongoddess]

How about the front of the seat. All one would have to do is naturally drop their arm on their legs to access the weapon. Same thing for a drivers side holster mount. One can have their left arm on the arm rest with hand around the pistol.

 

[sicario103]

Originally Posted by Eleven Mike

So, you're holstering/unholstering the gun while the car-door is closed?

Yes, you want to minimize the chances of anyone finding out that you are armed. Tinted windows, up or abit open only.

Originally Posted by TechBrute

Obviously this guy's mind won't be changed, but for safety's sake, I just hope no one takes his advice.

You've just had civilians, police, and military tell you it's a bad idea.

You're quite right, I won't change my mind about it. Again, if safety is such a huge issue because of the notion that unholstering/holstering a gun in a car is such a hazzard then maybe carrying a gun as a whole should be reconsidered. If confidence is low in gun handling then some practice is in call.

Every continent or country whether you're a police officer, in the military or the average joe differs somewhat and are influenced by different schools of thoughts. Say for example North America, since crime rate is not nearly as high and/or as frequent as in a country in South America, there will be a difference in the way things are seen and dealt with such as the way the police deals with a BG or the way people carry. What somone might find excessive or even extreme for their individual situation does not mean it cannot or should not be applied should they choose to take that extra step. Like when I go eat at a restaurant, I always sit with my back to the wall and if possible in a corner and place my gun under my left leg. For example, driving courses (I don't know how it's call) that teaches you maneuvers to avoid or evade if somone tries to kidnap or kill you while on the road. In North America, that would be excessive, hell I even say you're too paranoid if you think you need it. But somone in Eastern Europe might find that necessary. So does that mean you shouldn't take it if you live in the US?

 

[sicario103]

Originally Posted by dragongoddess

How about the front of the seat. All one would have to do is naturally drop their arm on their legs to access the weapon. Same thing for a drivers side holster mount. One can have their left arm on the arm rest with hand around the pistol.

When you say the front of the seat, do you mean over the edge at the front of your seat?

The driver side holster mount is not too bad. But the problem with that is that it might be visible if the window is open on the co-pilot side. First, the quickest access to it without requiring much movement would be with your left hand which means your angle of engagement is limited on your left side forcing you readjust your seating position, unless you don't mind pointing or shooting with your left hand at odd angles. Lastly, if you readjust your seating position to engage a threat to your left, steerring your car might be more difficult if there's a need for you to make a quick and safe get away or swirve.

 

[mattf7184]

Like the other members here, I hope no one takes the horrible advice of putting a gun under your leg. This sounds like it comes from someone who has never been in an accident before...like people who refuse to wear seatbelts or mothers who insist their babies don't need baby seats and they can hold them...

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Again, if safety is such a huge issue because of the notion that unholstering/holstering a gun in a car is such a hazzard then maybe carrying a gun as a whole should be reconsidered. If confidence is low in gun handling then some practice is in call.

I am curious how you avoid sweeping your own body with the muzzle when placing the pistol in this position or when presenting the pistol from this position?

Are you using a pistol with a manual safety? Are you concerned about something protruding into the trigger guard as you sit on the pistol?

 

[sicario103]

Originally Posted by Bartholomew Roberts

I am curious how you avoid sweeping your own body with the muzzle when placing the pistol in this position or when presenting the pistol from this position?

I don't understand what you mean by "avoid sweeping your own body with the muzzle..."

I know I'll get my head bit off again but... When I'm carrying, if it's not a single action pistol, I won't bother to use the safety at all. I am very confident about myself and carrying. Don't get me wrong, I'm a very careful person that doesn't mess around carelessly with a weapon.

IMHO something protruding into the trigger is highly unlikely to none, so I'm not worry about it at all.

Originally Posted by mattf7184

This sounds like it comes from someone who has never been in an accident before...like people who refuse to wear seatbelts or mothers who insist their babies don't need baby seats and they can hold them...

I been doing this the first day I got my first gun... which is about 10 years or so. I have friends and people that I know of that have been doing it way back when I was in my early teens with no problem. And Yes, I wear seatbelts and always made sure my nephews were well tucked into their babyseats.

 

[mattf7184]

And Yes, I wear seatbelts and always made sure my nephews were well tucked into their babyseats.

And what do you think would happen if a car's occupant was not strapped in and there is a sudden negative acceleration? Do you really think that the gun is going to stay under your leg?

And have your friends ever had an accident while carrying under their leg?

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

I don't understand what you mean by "avoid sweeping your own body with the muzzle..."

I mean that when you place the pistol underneath your leg inside the car, it seems as though it would be impossible not to point the pistol at parts of your body you do not wish to shoot. Likewise, when you draw the pistol from that position.

This strikes me as a problem because of two reasons:

1) I don't care for presentation methods that involve pointing my own pistol at my own body while under time pressure and fear of imminent death or serious injury.

2) Deliberately disregarding one of the four rules of firearm handling - especially on something you do multiple times on a daily basis - is inviting trouble. The whole point of the four rules is that you have to violate more than one of them in order to have a negligent discharge. A method of carry where you consistently and deliberately violate one of them on a daily basis makes the margin for human error very slim indeed.

IMHO something protruding into the trigger is highly unlikely to none, so I'm not worry about it at all.

Do a quick search here at THR - it happens more often than you might think. Have you ever given much consideration to what is in your pockets when you sit on that pistol? For that matter, what happens when that pistol starts moving forward at 70mph after a sudden stop and the only thing stopping it from flying away is the friction from you sitting on it? Think there might be an opportunity for clothes, keys in your pocket, or some other item to get wedged into that trigger guard?

I can think of plenty of reasons why this method of carry is a bad idea.

 

[sicario103]

Originally Posted by mattf7184

And what do you think would happen if a car's occupant was not strapped in and there is a sudden negative acceleration? Do you really think that the gun is going to stay under your leg?
And have your friends ever had an accident while carrying under their leg?

Yes, it will stay under your leg. I've slammed on the brakes, even been in an accident and it didn't move and neither my friends or I have had any accidental discharges while carrying this way (Check my other reply on this same page). You would have to be in a real bad accident for your gun to actually come off, but then again you would probably be seriously hurt or stunt let alone defend yourself against an assailant.

Originally Posted by Bartholomew Roberts

I mean that when you place the pistol underneath your leg inside the car, it seems as though it would be impossible not to point the pistol at parts of your body you do not wish to shoot. Likewise, when you draw the pistol from that position.
it happens more often than you might think. Have you ever given much consideration to what is in your pockets when you sit on that pistol? For that matter, what happens when that pistol starts moving forward at 70mph after a sudden stop and the only thing stopping it from flying away is the friction from you sitting on it? Think there might be an opportunity for clothes, keys in your pocket, or some other item to get wedged into that trigger guard?

Yes, you will be briefly pointing at parts of your body (your legs) when you unholster to transfer the gun under your left leg and vise-versus with this method of carry. If you come to think about it this is no more dangerous than loading/unloading or holstering/unhosltering a firearm at any given position. A firearm does not discharge on its own, the key here to remember is one of the golden rules: keep your finger off the trigger.
Ofcourse, accidents due to human error do happen when you're dealing with firearms. But it could also likely happen from loading, unloading, drawing, carrying a gun in your pocket etc.
I don't wear cargo pants or place anything on my back left pocket. You can't trigger off a gun from a dead stop with friction from your leg or seats, plus the trigger is pointing towards the door (Try it out yourself- place your gun under your leg <pointing to your left side> and grind against it or drag it with your hands all you want).

The important thing to remember when dealing with any type of weapon is not just following the rules but to practice, practice and then some more. The range that I go to has a sweet car set up (It's a real car- just the front of it everything from the steerring wheel, front seats, roof to the bumper). You're sitting inside the car, the lights in the room are shut off and they place targets at ramdom places (180* shooting) and you engage the targets when they suddenly turn the lights on. I've done it till my fingers bled, so much that I even hanged a decoration on the mirror lol.

 

[Don Lu]

Im new here and I have actually read a few of Secarios post inthe past when i was just checking things out and have enjoyed his input for the most part. I have been a gun owner for only a few months and just bought a IWB holster last week, but the method of car carry he is using does not seem like one that should be recommened or followed. Just because you have done it w/o incidence doesnt mean its safe. I know smokers can live long lives to die of natural causes in their 90's doesnt mean you should recomend that people smoke. plenty of people have free and wild sex with many partners, also cant say this should be "recommended " behavior. just my 2 cents.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Yes, it will stay under your leg. I've slammed on the brakes, even been in an accident and it didn't move and neither my friends or I have had any accidental discharges while carrying this way (Check my other reply on this same page). You would have to be in a real bad accident for your gun to actually come off, but then again you would probably be seriously hurt or stunt let alone defend yourself against an assailant.

I don't remember all the specifics, but awhile back I read about a study in which a very stout rugby player was covered in protective gear, placed in the backseat of a car, buckeld into a harness and instructed to hold onto a 5 lb. bag of flour with all his strength. Then, the car was run into a wall at 15 MPH. He was unable to hold onto that 5 lb. bag.

 

[Eleven Mike]

Was the bag under his thigh?