Holy!!! bad story ... bad, bad story (nobody got hurt)

Status
Not open for further replies.

Foe[H]ammer

Member
Joined
Jan 7, 2004
Messages
101
My GF who is a well educated and even headed woman just related the most horrible and ignorant story to me that I've heard in a while.

Apparently I did not do my job. A few years ago I bought a gun, a H&K USP .45c, not a terribly sophisticated device but certainly serviceable. I brought it home and showed her my new score. She was kinda intrigued and was curious why I "needed" a gun and the usual tripe. Alarm bells went off, I asked her if she had ever fired a handgun or any firearm for that matter. She answered that her dad "took them shooting when they were kids and always left a gun with the kids when the parents left the house, not in thier possesion but they knew where it was" and that she had even "fired on an intruder when she was 9".

So, I'm thinking some mild refreshers on Safety (FIRST), grip and stance and she should be back in the saddle. Off to the range and I instruct her on all aspects of the gun. Saftey mechanism, decocker, charged chamber indicator, magazine release and strip down. I walk her through the 4 rules several times and ask her if she wants to shoot it. She goes nuts with the thought of it, she's all over the thought, she want's the gun. I'm thinking "wow from mild mannered book worm to Rambette in moments" it would have never occurred to me that she's react like this.

She was not a bad shot at first, she improved with minor troubleshooting and she genuinely seemed happy to do it. She ran (herself, personally) ~700 rounds through the gun before she'd let me do 100.

Cut to 3 years later:

We've been to the range twice a month since, minimum, she's gotten exponentially better at shot placement and wants her own gun for CCW. So we're chatting about what she might like to carry and she gets all somber aftrer some safety discussion and tells me the story.

Apparently she's had a ND and never told me.

She says we had a fight and she asked that I leave for a day or two while she decided whether she was moving out. Apparently (and remember this is from an embarrased girl talking about a moment of collosal stupidity so I can't vouch for the voracity of all statements) she was curious as to whether I'd left her the gun (I had) and she wanted to make sure it was loaded. She found it where I keep it (where I can find it and my pants in the dark) and racked the slide to make sure it was loaded. Now bear in mind I've instructed her that it's always loaded, chambered, decocked, safety off. She's been around this gun alot, it has a loaded chamber indicator and she's been told it always loaded. So ejecting the loaded cartridge and loading another she decides she should put round #8 back in the magazine, which she does. She reloads the now cocked handgun and then in a moment of vacant idiocy decides that instaed of using the built in decocker shes gonna lower the hammer manully using the almost non-existant hammer.

Her words: "all of a sudden I went blind and was, like in a vaccum, then slowly my ears started ringing and it slowy got gradually louder until I couln't hear anything but RIIINNNNGGGGIIIIINNNNGGGG"

She says the gun was resting on her leg and that the muzzel flash burned the polyester pants she was wearing bad enough to melt them, sort of and since we were living in an apartment at the time the bullet hit the baseboard and likely richoched off the foot thick concrete floors never to be seen again. She turned off all the lights and left the house ..... nothing more came of it.

She says she hasn't picked up the gun since except at the range, she's scared of it now but was too scared to tell me why. She was unharmed as was everyone in the neeighborhood. Jesus, what the hell to do now.

I'm not sure I trust her anymore, with guns or the truth.
 
Sounds to me like she learned one helluva lesson, and then finally shared it with you.

Seems to me you should just move on.
 
Foe[H]ammer,

Look at it this way: she's safer now than she was before it happened.

And she did tell you about it.

pax

What loneliness is more lonely than distrust? -- George Eliot
 
You're both right, I guess I feel kinda betrayed and impotent at the same time. I feel I should have done more for her education and feel she should maybe have trusted me more to not be mad at her for a brain fart ... it's really all it was ... a potentially fatal brain fart but one all the same.
 
Well i don't know about others but i would forgive her about the incident and would encourage her to continue shooting, that said be careful on how you do it as it could turn her off to shooting and you! If you feel that you can't trust her but for other reasons then i can't help you sorry.
 
Wow, glad she is all right.

here is my noob .02

As far as trusting her gun saftey, there are a few things that I would take into account. While this was an incredibly large mistake, it was still a mistake, no one was harmed. While she should not have worried about the issue of the gun until she was a bit more level headed, she may have only been checking in an effort to see if you were going to do something irrational, whose to say... So the effort may have been in complete love and care for you.

maybe the next steps to take, instead of walking away and losing trust and respect for someone taht you care about, maybe it's time to go over some more ground rules, such as if you or her is ever in an emotional state the gun is OFF LIMITS. I have been in situations like that, and i have to remind myself that I am not is the state of mind to handle a firearm, it's same when I know I am going to be drinking, I field strip my handgun, so I don't try to show it off or take it somewhere and have a mistake like this.

While I will not try to say that having an ND in an apartment complex is not a big thing, and a scary event. Maybe it's not big enough to throw away a 3 year relationship.

But, this is just my .02 and I'm a n00b, take it with a grain of salt.
 
"Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement."

Humans are not perfect. They make mistakes. Idiots are the ones who fail to learn from them.

Doesn't sound like the GF was/is an idiot. Forgive, and learn from this mistake, the both of you. 'Swhat smart folks do.

Trashing a years-running relationship over what amounts to learning-curve events strikes me as something to regret in the long run.

Irritation/anger/distrust fades over time. Love persists in the most aggravating way. This pronouncement I deliver from a position of "single, eight-years-running w/ no prospects."

Good partners are RARE. I fired mine over what hindsight revealed to be a minor issue. Don't do it my way. It doesn't pay.
 
First of all... She may not realize it but I don't think she's really scared of the gun, she may be scared of herself... After reading this thread I went out and thought about my own ND (have already posted about it) and that's the conclusion that I came to for my own situation... I refused to touch that gun for a very long time and I thought I was scared of it but in reality I didn't trust myself, I just didn't know till now

As far as the "truth" issue, only you can figure that one out but... She may not have said anything before out of sheer embarassment...

As far as trusting her with guns, again only you can decide but... I know in my own instance it made me even MORE anal about the safety rules and focusing on what I was doing at all times... It scared me bad enough that my thoughts are not: "OK, I've had one... I'll never have another" but are: "OK, that sucked REALLY BAD and I need to do everything in my power to make sure that it never happens again." and hopefully she comes away from the experience with that type of feeling also...
 
Hold it... Back the bus up...

What you avoided telling us and what I am suprised that no one has asked is...

When in the heck did this happen? Recently? A week ago? A month? A year? Are you still having such intense arguments that your relationship is in question?

Hopefully enough time has passed and your relationship is more secure.
If so then you both can learn from this and move ahead. It was a ND, but thankfully, no one was hurt physically. But now it's all ancient history and like all history, learn from it and vow to never repeat it.

Remember that she did not have to tell you. You would never have known. It's too bad that she didn't feel she could tell you this when it happened, but it seems than she now feels she can trust you enough to confess this.
What she now needs from you is support. She is probably full of self doubt and possibly feels a little stupid. Help her build her confidence back.
The way in which you handle this will determine her actions the next time a crisis arises.
You said;
Apparently I did not do my job
Now's your chance to do it right. Be thankful for that second chance.
 
BluesBear:
According to her it was about 4 months after I brought the gun home that she had the ND. So roughly 3 years ago give or take a few months. Yes the relationship is in a wholly better place now.

Thanks alot for your thoughts and words gang.

We talked about it again last night and I've figured out that thinking she didn't tell me was something that had anything to do with me is sheer silliness. She didn't tell me because she was embarrassed and wasn't sure at the time that I wouldn't just throw her out of the apartment (we were in the middle of a 4 month long rocky patch and smack in the middle of a potential breakup). Then as weeks passed she didn't want to tell me because weeks had passed, then months .... you get the picture.

I am over it and she seems genuinely happier now that she's gotten off of her chest. I'll not mention it again to her nor have I or will I berate her for it.

We're going to Collectors (a HUGE gun store in Houston) this weekend to find a carry piece she might like and then to several ranges to see if we can rent that model.

Thanks for the reality check folks and the support.
 
My advice (and some of you will laugh) is to buy her a double action revolver. Simple to operate, simple to load, simple to unload and simple to check. Also, there is less to think about in a panic situation. Just pick it up and blast away.

TerryBob
 
my first thought was congratulations. what a relief for her. nobody's perfect, and she's clearly learned her lesson - no accidents since then, right?

How many of us have never had to learn "the hard way"? that's usually the best teacher, too. ;)
 
Everyone makes mistakes.

If someone tells you that they've never screwed up and popped a cap in the wrong direction, that just means that they haven't YET.

You WILL have an unintentional discharge sooner or later. It's a given. It's like driving a car - sooner or later you're gonna have to change a tire. And maybe your pants.

So make sure you always have the muzzle pointed in a safe direction, and get on with it.
 
Going off what crude said I think that's a good idea about disassemblying or atleast unloading your weapon when drunk/fighting whatever. My girl doesn't get angry when we fight and she's a big gun girl so I don't worry about it when we get in arguments but when my friends and I drink or there are people I don't know especially in my apt. I lock the pistols in the safeand put all my ammo in there too, just like when I'm cleaning my guns, take out that one variable that could cause an accident (that said, accidents happen) and it sounds like you dealt with it very well so good luck to ya both.

So when is she gunna start posting here?;)
 
"Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement."
Experience is what you get a few seconds after you need it.

Thinking back to all the "I had an ND" threads of the past, the reaction on THR is always, "Glad you're not dead/injured(much), no go forth and ND no more."

She deserves the same reaction.

Thinking back to my childhood, and unfortunately, my adulthood, I sure didn't want people to find out about the stupid things I'd done.

My $0.02.
 
feel she should maybe have trusted me more to not be mad at her for a brain fart ...

JMHO, but when you said:

I'm not sure I trust her anymore, with guns or the truth.

It sounds like you were kind of mad at her, indicating you didn't trust her with guns. I can understand that, but she probably picked up on your initial reaction.

I'm not saying you are like this, I don't know you, but when I was young my dad grew angry over things like this. If anyone got in a car accident, he got angry whether it was our fault, someone else was to blame, or it was a tiny mistake or big mistake. None of us wanted to turn to him when we needed help.

I got lucky the first time my wife caused an accident. She told me, and I was in a pretty good mood at the time, so I didn't get at all upset at her, much less get angry with her. She still talks about that, it was a big deal to her that I supported her. Ever since she has been quick to tell me about any problems like that, and I think it really helps our marriage. Like I said, I got lucky because I do have a temper, and on a bad day I'd have messed up.


It may be that she will gain trust over time if you take bad news as a chance to support her, and delays in telling you won't happen anymore. It sucks doing it, you really have to swallow your male desire to lecture and teach her to be better, but its worth it in the long run because folks actually trust you and listen to you. For me, I've been able to change how my wife drives, and I really appreciate that she listens to me about it.

Regardless, good luck to the two of you. Frankly your lucky to have a woman who shoots.



patent
 
I'm not sure I trust her anymore, with guns or the truth.

Guess I don't really understand. Do you distrust every shooter who has had a neglegent discharge? Would you include Ayoob in that catagory? I had a neglegent discharge (stop giggling) when I first got into shooting. It was the biggest learning experience I ever had regarding firearms. I don't doubt that a significant percentage of this board has heard a very loud bang when they were expecting a click.

Was she under some requirement of full disclosure? Why? She was emberrased. It took her some time to tell you. After all you've been through in this relationship, this is a pivotal issue? If so, it's not really in a "wholly better place".
 
While I understand where your statements come from if you'll read the progression of my posts in this thread you will begin to see a trend. The initial post was an emotional ASCII puke in to a place I feel pretty comfortable doing so. You'll see furthe that 19 minutes later my attitude was completely different in my next reply.

No, I don't think that everyone who has a ND should be restricted from gun ownership or needs to be carefully watched forever after. Not really sure how you inferred that if you got all the way to my reply to BluesBear.

Yes, to answer your next question, if you fire my gun in my house while playing with it I think ANYONE should feel obligated to tell me about it. Certainly I think a mate should feel obligated to be honest with her other half about something this serious. I'm not mad at her anymore and I think my initial anger was probably more out of fear of the possibilities than anything else.

I appreciate your candor and your position but re-read my posts and make sure you didn't take what I said the wrong way in light of the emotion involved or dismissed the emotion entirely.
 
It's cool

She told ya what she did,let it go...you can berate her for it if she brings up something you did years ago:p

I agree with the revolver idea,easier to handle
 
While I understand where your statements come from if you'll read the progression of my posts in this thread you will begin to see a trend. The initial post was an emotional ASCII puke in to a place I feel pretty comfortable doing so. You'll see furthe that 19 minutes later my attitude was completely different in my next reply.

No, I don't think that everyone who has a ND should be restricted from gun ownership or needs to be carefully watched forever after. Not really sure how you inferred that if you got all the way to my reply to BluesBear.

Yes, to answer your next question, if you fire my gun in my house while playing with it I think ANYONE should feel obligated to tell me about it. Certainly I think a mate should feel obligated to be honest with her other half about something this serious. I'm not mad at her anymore and I think my initial anger was probably more out of fear of the possibilities than anything else.

I appreciate your candor and your position but re-read my posts and make sure you didn't take what I said the wrong way in light of the emotion involved or dismissed the emotion entirely.

Yup, you're right. Was scanning when I should'a been reading. Mea culpa. SOrry.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top