Home Defense with an AK

[jeff-10]

Don't know if this has been posted already but it happened the other night in Orlando. A guy used an AK to kill a home invader.

http://www.local6.com/news/13542239/detail.html

 

[Mikebnice]

[Cody came out with his (AK-47) and took care of it]

would the story been different if he used a shot gun...

 

[Ohio Rifleman]

I've always thought the 7.62x39 round was a bit overpowered for home defense. Which has been a concern, since the best HD weapon I have is an SKS. I'd like to know if the round from his AK overpenetrated and went through any walls or some such.

 

[JWarren]

I use a Vector underfolder for HD. I'm certain I'd penetrate walls so that is something to be cognizant of.

Frankly, I can't imagine much that WON'T penetrate most walls. A lot of walls are sheetrock over thin plywood. I'd think even a 9mm would penetrate that depending on the type of bullet.

Thinking outloud, I'd say 0 or 00 buckshot in a shotgun would be the best bet for someone worried about overpenetration-- and I wouldn't be absolutely certain with that.

just my 2 cents. I am not an expert on it.


-- John

 

[SaMx]

it probably would have been mentioned in the article. not sure though.

 

[igpoobah]

The weapons, including the AK-47, were in the home because one of the victims participates in gun shows, one of the victims told Local 6 News.

Written as though one needs a good excuse to have a home defense weapon. Hello?

 

[Mortech]

I live in a very rural area , my WSAR-10 is my home defense carbine . Usually I'll use my M&P40 but lately here have been a few car prowlers looking around here , usually meth heads looking for things to snatch on the fly (they even stole my neighbors beater VW bug last year !)

 

[Prince Yamato]

"(They) defended themselves. That's very possible that's what this turned out to be."

Oh, ya think Captain Obvious?

 

[BADUNAME13]

Good place for this:

http://www.theboxotruth.com/

 

[General Geoff]

AKM: A robber's worst nightmare.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Why Hi-Cap?

Multiple assailants.

Home invasion team.

Any more, it seems you can almost count on multiple bogeys.

Seems a carbine works just fine for home defense.

 

[Torque]

Finally!!

Officers said the victims seemingly did what they had to do during the attack.

Powerful testimony! This story!

I've always thought the 7.62x39 round was a bit overpowered for home defense. Which has been a concern, since the best HD weapon I have is an SKS. I'd like to know if the round from his AK overpenetrated and went through any walls or some such.

From the looks of the video, after that dood got hit with brass knuckles he was thinking VERY clear. Probably only took him a 'small grouping' (burst) to end this one!! If there was over penetration I hope it was minimal. (this is all speculation of course)

That victim is probably THR! he is still just waiting to tell us about it.

If he's not he should be!


+1

Just one more edit :banghead: I think the AK is a good home defense gun, even after over penetration....

Just because it is the best thing you have at the time, especially if you don't have anything else!

You should just be aware of what's behind your target.!.

 

[fletcher]

Glad it turned out well, and that they defended their home.

Deputies said the victims scattered to safe places in the home where they knew that they had weapons stashed and fought back.

Next best thing to having a weapon with you, I suppose.

 

[coyote_jr]

But wait, McCarthy's website says she sees no reason why anyone would need to own this type of weapon

 

[barkingowl]

Hmm... I wonder if an L drum loaded with hollowpoints for the Thompson would be considered over penetration?

 

[MHBushmaster]

The guy that used the AK was not the same one that was getting pummeled by the brass knuckles weilding robber. The guy getting pummeled in the bathtub with brass knuckles actually used a pocket knife to stab the brass knuckles person; a totally seperate person who was hiding in a closet for the entire encounter was the person that used an AK to engage and eliminate a different pistol wielding robber/bad guy that was trying to break into the closet and supposedly shot blindly into the closet where the AK weilding occupant was hiding. There were 3 robbers, 1 got shot, 1 was stabbed and the 3rd one seemed to leave unscathed.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

A resident named Cody was in bed when one of the culprits stole his cell phone and beat him before leaving the bedroom.

"Once he heard that guy yelling for the gun, Cody came out with his (AK-47) and took care of it," Goodson said. "It was definitely self-defense."

Had they been unarmed this story may have ended very, very badly.
I guess it's not "sporting" to defend yourself though huh McCarthy? He should have used a single shot .22 or first sit down with the bad guys and talk about his feelings?

 

[Glockfan.45]

I use a AR for HD now so why not an AK. 30 rounds of rifle ammo in a compact package makes for a solid self defence weapon. If I were in an apartment however............

 

[Engel]

cqb... thats why my sks has a bayonet and I have a bowie knife by my bed.

 

[KINGMAX]

762x39 is not a home defense round. It is a full contact combat round. Stick to a shotgun using 2 3/4 inch, w/ #4 buckshot, no magnum. You do not want to blast through two or three layers of sheetrock and kill someone next door. Home defense round 45 acp, 45 Long Colt hand loaded light, 230 - 250 gr. bullet. Heavy bit of lead,moving sort'a slow - takes 'em down.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Ahh, yes, the "heavy, slow round"

Heavy bit of lead, moving sort'a slow . . .

Big, heavy, slow round for home defense?

Sounds like you need The Buick Solution.

Just remember the "ground-floor-only" limitation.

 

[phaed]

7.62x39 works just fine as a home defense round, but you do need to be conscious of what's behind your target.

 

[cbsbyte]

I am not a big fan of using a rifle for HD, maybe if one lives in a very rural area where big animals might be a problem. But in populated residential areas its probably not a good idea. Over penetration or a miss could end up in a neighbor house, even if it did not hit anyone the outcome will be very negative. The street I live on, houses are at max a 100 ft apart so it would be not be a great idea.

 

[Glockfan.45]

I am not a big fan of using a rifle for HD, maybe if one lives in a very rural area where big animals might be a problem. But in populated residential areas its probably not a good idea. Over penetration or a miss could end up in a neighbor house, even if it did not hit anyone the outcome will be very negative. The street I live on, houses are at max a 100 ft apart so it would be not be a great idea.

I should make clear that my HD 5.56 is frang ammo, and I have Brick/Plaster walls. Most police SWAT teams or whatever you local dept calls it have made the switch to the AR over the MP5. The reason being that 5.56 actually has less chance of over penetration vs 9mm.

 

[Mannix]

Any HD weapon is likely to penetrate a few layers of sheetrock and keep on going, even a shotgun. Granted, the shotgun is probably going to penetrate less than 7.62x39 or .223(because it fires a slower moving projectile), but it'll still go through at least a few layers of sheetrock and still have enough energy to kill(or at least maim) someone on the other side.

Also, the choice to use M16's instead of MP5's by SWAT teams probably has more to do with price and stopping power than penetration, as normal 9mm penetrates less than normal .223, even in the case of frangible rounds

Bottom line, if it can kill a bad guy, it can penetrate a few layers of drywall, easy.