Home invasion [defense] plan
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indoorsoccerfrea
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more information needed. is it you and a husband/wife? do you have kids? one floor house or more? apartment? neighborhood? rural farmhouse?
Case the place for a week or two and learn their routines. Poison the dogs the day before. Steal a van from a home renovation place or something and use that for your getaway vehicle, so it doesn't look too suspicious.
Wait, that isn't what you meant?
In all seriousness though, it can help to try and think like a thief, identify your house's weak points, and try to fix them.
You should also try and maintain a good rapport with the neighbors. They'd be the ones who call the police if someone breaks in while you're not home.
Wait, that isn't what you meant?
In all seriousness though, it can help to try and think like a thief, identify your house's weak points, and try to fix them.
You should also try and maintain a good rapport with the neighbors. They'd be the ones who call the police if someone breaks in while you're not home.
indoorsoccerfrea
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im assuming all bedrooms on second floor? i think it is a given that the lives of your family are more important than material posessions. first off, do you have an easy access safe/gun very readily accessible? a gun cannot help you in case of intrusion if it takes you several minutes to get it. i would consider the layout of your house. find a point where you know the invaders HAVE to come from. for example, if there is only one staircase, in order to come upstairs it is obvious the BGs will have to use the stairs. Does your wife or know how to operate a gun with proficiency?
expvideo
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I would advise planning what you are going to do with your family. I have no experience or professional advise, but if I were in your position, I would advise having your children wait in their rooms, in a closet or somehow hidden if possible. I would personally have a shotgun with a mounted flashlight in the room and train the wife to use it correctly. I would then use either a pistol with a mounted light or a seperate light to retreive the kids and bring them to the room. All of this should be done relatively quickly, and your wife should be on the phone with 911 while you are doing this. Once everyone is secured in the master bedroom, lock the door and wait for the police to arrive.
That is not necessarily the best thing in the world that you could do, but it is what I would do. But again, I'm just some guy on the internet with an opinion, not a professional.
That is not necessarily the best thing in the world that you could do, but it is what I would do. But again, I'm just some guy on the internet with an opinion, not a professional.
trlcavscout
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An emergency ladder, folding or rope would be the first thing I see needed in this situation.
During 9/11, I was not home most of the time (that day I was, my oldest son was born that afternoon ) I tried to get my wife into the prepared state of mind, I found after dealing with her and talking to alot of other guys about there wives that "alot" of women do not deal with that stuff very good (alot of guys dont either just to be fair) I found that it is best to put the proper safeguards in place with as little change as possible to their daily routine. Do it in time not all at once. That new "security" screen door (just because it looks nicer), that new dead bolt (we havent changed the locks in a while, or the old I broke my key off in the old one). I did add secondary locks to all the windows after seeing it in a cop friends house. Stairways (in my old house, now I have a single level) had a motion sensor "night light" (so the kids wouldnt trip at night). Things like that will go along ways in keeping the family safe and the wife and kids not worrying. I did (when my wife wasnt home) have a couple fellow scouts come over one day for a mock run of my system, ADT's got nothing on me One of the biggest things "in my opinion" is not getting in to routines, change stuff up as much as possible, leave your car in the driveway and carpool now and then, keep them guessing.
During 9/11, I was not home most of the time (that day I was, my oldest son was born that afternoon
) I tried to get my wife into the prepared state of mind, I found after dealing with her and talking to alot of other guys about there wives that "alot" of women do not deal with that stuff very good (alot of guys dont either just to be fair) I found that it is best to put the proper safeguards in place with as little change as possible to their daily routine. Do it in time not all at once. That new "security" screen door (just because it looks nicer), that new dead bolt (we havent changed the locks in a while, or the old I broke my key off in the old one). I did add secondary locks to all the windows after seeing it in a cop friends house. Stairways (in my old house, now I have a single level) had a motion sensor "night light" (so the kids wouldnt trip at night). Things like that will go along ways in keeping the family safe and the wife and kids not worrying. I did (when my wife wasnt home) have a couple fellow scouts come over one day for a mock run of my system, ADT's got nothing on me One of the biggest things "in my opinion" is not getting in to routines, change stuff up as much as possible, leave your car in the driveway and carpool now and then, keep them guessing.
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WardenWolf
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Teach the children to hide and stay in their rooms, and lock their doors if possible. You do NOT want extra people moving through the house that could potentially wind up as hostages or in the line of fire, even for the purpose of escorting them to a safe zone. You need to keep the corridors clear. When you check their room, you can check in on them at this time.
To prepare for a home invasion, you should come up with a basic safety plan, and figure out your firing lanes and choke points.
To prepare for a home invasion, you should come up with a basic safety plan, and figure out your firing lanes and choke points.
bdickens
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You should seek out and take the NRA Personal Protection in the Home class. You will get a lot of solid information to use to build your own plan.
Rifleman 173
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Two words: slap alarm. You need to have an alarm that you can set off in or near your bedrooms. Make it a loud alarm and co-ordinate it so that flashing lights come on and go off once the alarm is activated. If somebody breaks into your home you hit the alarm and watch the home invaders run away. Saves you the cost of ammo and often legal expenses.
JImbothefiveth
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You could put a door at the top and one at the bottom of your staircase, to keep them away from you and your family. Make sure the doors can lock!
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We have this discussion from time to time. One recent thread is at http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=379140 . If you want to see more, try searching for the phrase "home defense plan." That will net you a good bit of past discussion on the topic. The 'Search' function is linked in the top green bar on this page, put quotes around the phrase as typed above to search it as a phrase.
I second the motion to take the NRA's Personal Protection In The Home Class, IMHO it's vital in learning things you need to know to formulate and if necessary, execute your own home defense plan. There are links to the PPITH class information in the thread I posted the link for, above.
Fortunately home invasions aren't frequent happenings in good neighborhoods, but they are pretty close to a worst case scenario. Better to have a good plan and not need it, than to need one and not have it. The same goes for other family emergency planning- fire drills, evacuation drills etc. too, IMHO.
hth,
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I second the motion to take the NRA's Personal Protection In The Home Class, IMHO it's vital in learning things you need to know to formulate and if necessary, execute your own home defense plan. There are links to the PPITH class information in the thread I posted the link for, above.
Fortunately home invasions aren't frequent happenings in good neighborhoods, but they are pretty close to a worst case scenario. Better to have a good plan and not need it, than to need one and not have it. The same goes for other family emergency planning- fire drills, evacuation drills etc. too, IMHO.
hth,
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longhair75
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Good morning friends,
First and foremost in any good home invasion plan is perimeter security. Good solid locks and doors can not be stressed enough. Nothing will go "bump" in the night if it takes loud tools and time to break through your doors.
Any bad guy in my place in the middle of the night has made enough noise trying to get in that everyone in the house is awake, the authorities are on their way and my wife and I are armed and ready just in case the door gives way.
First and foremost in any good home invasion plan is perimeter security. Good solid locks and doors can not be stressed enough. Nothing will go "bump" in the night if it takes loud tools and time to break through your doors.
Any bad guy in my place in the middle of the night has made enough noise trying to get in that everyone in the house is awake, the authorities are on their way and my wife and I are armed and ready just in case the door gives way.
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YammyMonkey
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"Case the place" isn't bad advice. Look at your home as a criminal would. If you were going to break in which entrance would you use, the front door with a security door, solid wood door behind that & deadbolts on both or the ground floor window on the north side of the house that's single pane glass & close to the fence so none of the neighbors have a good view of it? How about the half rotted out garage access door in the back yard? Think there might be some power tools in that garage to help you get into the house proper or would those tools be worth enough to just grab them & run? Would it be easier/more stealthy for someone to access one of the upstairs entrances as opposed to the downstairs ones- including windows?
Once you know where someone is likely to enter you can deal with hardening those points to limit the number of access points to the house. If there are two entrances upstairs & one down I'd make the two upstairs my priority since you'll have less time to deal with someone coming in there than you would if it was someone coming from downstairs.
Where do you want your saferoom? Master bed, kid's bedroom? What's the furniture like? Cover or concealment? Can that be changed? What kind of door do you have? Locks on that door to the safe room? How are you going to get from where you're at to the safe room or get your kids from their rooms to the safe room? Where could a criminal hide? Shadows, behind furniture, is there a landing on your stairs?
Once you know where someone is likely to enter you can deal with hardening those points to limit the number of access points to the house. If there are two entrances upstairs & one down I'd make the two upstairs my priority since you'll have less time to deal with someone coming in there than you would if it was someone coming from downstairs.
Where do you want your saferoom? Master bed, kid's bedroom? What's the furniture like? Cover or concealment? Can that be changed? What kind of door do you have? Locks on that door to the safe room? How are you going to get from where you're at to the safe room or get your kids from their rooms to the safe room? Where could a criminal hide? Shadows, behind furniture, is there a landing on your stairs?
threefeathers
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This is a great discussion and I'll post to keep it at the top but will contribute when I have the time to think about it.
Steel door frame.
Lowes and Home Depot carry steel doors, but the door frame is still wood. The door is not what gives first - the thin wooden doorframe shatters. Internet search will find you companies that manufacture steel door frames (in addition to the steel door).
Have a friend or family member case your place. They will be less biased, and see things that you take for granted.
Lowes and Home Depot carry steel doors, but the door frame is still wood. The door is not what gives first - the thin wooden doorframe shatters. Internet search will find you companies that manufacture steel door frames (in addition to the steel door).
Have a friend or family member case your place. They will be less biased, and see things that you take for granted.
withdrawn34
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Try to get into the mindset of a felon, or pretend you have a child trapped inside your house, but there are multiple people who will stop you inside the house. How will you extract your child as quietly as possible? Or, if going for an aggressive approach, how best to eliminate everyone?
Thinking like this is dark but honestly I think its a good way to formulate a better plan. Thinking like the criminal often reveals ways you never thought before as to how your home could be violated and you or your family attack in their home. It forces you to think of other possibilities that aren't so ideal. It also shows you how the possible desperation of a criminal can really affect how he acts and what he is willing to do to achieve his objective(s).
Thinking like this is dark but honestly I think its a good way to formulate a better plan. Thinking like the criminal often reveals ways you never thought before as to how your home could be violated and you or your family attack in their home. It forces you to think of other possibilities that aren't so ideal. It also shows you how the possible desperation of a criminal can really affect how he acts and what he is willing to do to achieve his objective(s).
CoRoMo
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Carry while at/in/around the home.
Don't open the door just because it was knocked on/doorbell rang.
A well trained dog is extremely valuable.
Don't open the door just because it was knocked on/doorbell rang.
A well trained dog is extremely valuable.
ConstantineJ9
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Grab my Hi Point 40 caliber pistol and start unloadin.
Marcus5aurelius
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Find the "tunnel of death" one point where if they were to come at you they would have to pass, for instance my staircase is the only way uptairs. Call 911, and guard that point. Anyone who tries to act like a hero risks the chance of shooting a family member, or even a neighbor.
Granted people will probably respond with more "chase him down and shoot him" but first make sure your home defence gun lacks punch through. Such as shotguns because if I used my AK it would punch through the guy, my wall, my neighbors wall, and still have more than enough kick to kill.
Granted people will probably respond with more "chase him down and shoot him" but first make sure your home defence gun lacks punch through. Such as shotguns because if I used my AK it would punch through the guy, my wall, my neighbors wall, and still have more than enough kick to kill.
moooose102
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first, go find out what your laws are in your area! it isnt going to do your family a lot of good if you shoot a burgalar only to be put in jail for the next 20 years for manslaughter. second, draw a line in the sand. meaning once you know where, when, and under what circumstances you can legally shoot someone, then you can set up some defensive zones, and start planning. but you have to have the basics before you do anything else.
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