Home Security Alarm Systems

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PhilA

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OK, first--to make this thread relevant--I assume many of you have home security systems to minimize the chance that someone will break into your home, thereby also minimizing the chance you'll have to use a firearm for self defense.

I have a few quotes on the table from a few of the top companies, and I'm trying to narrow it down. Price is pretty comparable, so I'd like to hear from anyone on the list who uses either Brinks or Slomin's.

I'm MOST interested in hearing from anyone who's had an alarm event with either of these two companies, and how long it took for police/fire/ambulance to arrive.

Thanks in advance. I looked around for other, more relevant forums on this topic but there don't seem to be any. I read THR a ton, and have found the membership here to be very helpful on a number of issues.
 
I'm an alarm co. owner and I can tell you that the equipment can communicate in under 30 seconds. Once that is done and the central station has the information it may take up to another min. to get the alarm verified or dispatched. Here is the problem, it may take you local cops 30 min to an hour (no I'm not kidding) to respond. Burglar calls are low on the priority list and some cops think they are to good to respond, instead they will go down and have a cup of coffee and log it as the actually went. ADT, Brinks, ETC all do the same type of install, 3 doors, 1 motion, 1 siren, 1 keypad, installed for anywhere from free to 299.00, where they get you is the 34.99 a month monitoring on a 36 month contract. The big problem comes when you decide after your 3 yrs is up you want to let ABC alarm monitor the system for 199.00 a year, well the big dogs use a special chip that makes sure no one else can monitor it. So now you have to buy another control board in order to get a break on your monitoring. Sucks.

The way around this is to find a decent alarm company that will put your system in correctly, for a decent price, you get a decent price on monitoring and probally get someone local that can give you better service than the big boys. (They actually only care about the numbers, not you).
 
Install your own. Use an internet monitoring company.

We use this company and have been happy with them:

https://nextalarm.com/index.jsp

You can buy hardware here, among other places:

http://www.homesecuritystore.com/

If you have a system installed, make sure it is universal and can be monitored by others. GET THE INSTALLER CODE IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE ELSE INSTALL IT - MAKE THIS A CONDITION OF THE SALE. You cannot reprogram the system without this code.

Get a wired system if possible. We have had a couple wireless sensors go bad over several years and it is a minor pain to troubleshoot and replace them.
 
dralarms - since you are in the business, perhaps you could offer an informed opinion on the Burglar Bomb?

Been thinking about this for my gun room.

I know nothing is foolproof, but this seems like it might be a reasonably effective deterrent to the non-professional burglar..?

:scrutiny:
 
One thing I would look for is a system w/ a 'real time response' or 2-way link, meaning that once the alarm is triggered, and it seizes the phone line to call the monitoring center, like others, but then the center then can create a 2-way link over that line, and you can talk to them real time, w/out having to get to/answer the phone to talk to them.

Here are the benefits of that to me personally:

In the event of a fire or a burglary when we're not at home, they can actually hear what's going on and relay that info to the first responders.

Particularly in the burglary, they could hear someone in the house, and relay that it is in progress, as opposed to a blind sensor indicating the alarm was tripped. Theoretically, some police stations could interperet this as a higher level priority, as the alarm company has confirmation someone is in the house (not the homeowner w/ the correct code), rather than just hearing an unanswered ringing phone w/ no way to confirm an unauthorized person was in the home.

Additionally, we've tested ours, and they can hear things you say, even when you're talking quietly and someone in the next room couldn't hear you, at least that's the way it is w/ ours. So you could pass on info to them, potentially w/out the intruder hearing you. Or, if you're hurt and can't get to the phone, you could still talk to them over the 2way intercom link they create.

Some have concern over big brother type thing, but I have a monitor on the phone line which can tell if a line is seized, and I've never had an issue, and they claim it can't be seized from their end, we have to manually activate it, or the alarm has to go off, in order to call the monitoring center and create the link.

We have a preschooler, and occasionally have elderly people stay with us, if we were out, or unable to get to the phone, unconcious, or what not, the smaller children or the elderly may not get to the phone, or not choose to for whatever reason, but could more easily communicate w/ the center over the two way w/out any special training required.

Theoretically, again, if an intruder was in the house, and is unable to give the monitoring center what they want, and in addition to the siren going off, they have someone talking in their ear that the police are on their way, as opposed to a ringing phone in the background, where the intruder knows it may not be a high priority call, and he may still have some time, etc.

If in the home, you can either get to one of the panels, or opt to get the key fobs, and activate from anywhere, and talk to them over the 2 way.

Another thing to consider, is either ensuring your phone lines are terminated inside the house, like inside the garage, making it more difficult to cut them, or have a wireless back up on the unit, depending on how important it is to you.

I think the other posters above offer some good points to think about, to get a good deal and save money, and have the option of various companies offer the support/service later. However, at the end of the day, make sure it's going to do what you are intending it to do, when it really counts.

I would want to know what their response time is like, some monitoring centers basically suck, and when it really counts, that could be bad. Again, I included fire w/ mine, and don't understand why anyone would consider getting a system w/out getting fire monitored. IMO, there's as much, or more chance, that this would get used before the security, YMMV, hopefully neither get used, but you know what I'm saying.

Also, when it comes to the equipment, especially if you go w/ a more traditional company, as opposed to a DIY deal (although maybe they offer this too, I don't know), I'd ask about a false alarm guarantee. We had an alarm on an older house that was acquired by inlaws before I was in the picture. It went off so much that they stopped using it, because they would get fined by the city if they had another false alarm. To fix it, it would cost an unknown amount of money, probably have to start over, coz the monitoring company seemed unable to fix it, unless they started swapping parts. Our company offers a false alarm guarantee, if the alarm goes off as a result of faulty equipment, they'll pay the fine.

This leads to the next point, future cost to repair. Again, w/ a traditional company, ask them if they'll replace defective equipment on their dime. If not, I'd consider that when obtaining the initial deal, ask how much the components are separately, if you have to replace them on your own.

For us, I looked at the cost of one company that was much cheaper on monitoring, but for all the sensors I wanted, I had to pay more up front with them, and pay for any parts if needed a replacement. The other company, the monitoring was more, but I got the 2 way link, paid less up front, and they replace broken equipment free, no trip charge, nothing, and offer the false alarm guarantee. Over the course of the term, the cost ended up being almost the same, but I got more w/ the one w/ the higher monitoring, w/ less out of pocket up front.

After the end of the term, I can have someone else monitor it, or renegotiate the term w/ this company, but you gotta ask all that up front, to know.

Hope that gives you some things to think about to find what you want. Our company only operates in the Carolinas, so that may not help you. I do know of one national company that does the 2 way, but not all do it. Ask around...

Karz
 
Do not go with a national company. You pay through the nose for monitoring when you can get it done for much cheaper. And you may not want it monitored at all. Lots of towns don't even respond to alarms anymore because 99% end up as false alarms. I've also heard cops say that of all the actual burglaries they've responded to based on alarms, not once was the BG still there. Install yourself and you can get better equipment and more sensors. There are DIY alarm forums out there. Go see what they have to say.
 
i dont know much about security systems, but arent they wired into the house electrical system amd phone line? or do they have a back up battery like most alarm clocks,
what happens to home security systems when a storm, or something (or someone) knocks the power and phone lines out?
does it quit, or continues to work untill the back-up battery dies?
then what
 
Most alarms have a 12volt battery backup that allows the alarm to continue working for a couple hours. You can program it to send a code that the power is off if you want. After the battery runs down the system stops working.
 
I use Brinks

I use Brinks. All doors and windows are covered. If the smoke detector goes off, Brinks call the fire dept. This service cost $27.99 per month. The respsonse time has been very fast. I am pleased with the service and lt gives me peace of mind when I am not home. My needs may be different from yours and you must decide what you want.
 
German Shepherd Dog and friendly neighbors. Keep your bushes trimmed and motion detector lights. Good locks on the doors. Dead bolts.
For what it is worth security systems have its place like in businesses and in homes where you are not in them and you are traveling alot. If police respond to them well enough them use them. If not them use a good dog to alert you and send that dog forward of you.
 
One other point - you will save up to a couple hundred bucks per year on your home insurance if you have a monitored system. That almost pays for our monitoring fees. Plus you get fire response in the event of a fire, even if you are not at home.
 
I use a local company for my home and business and also for my widowed elderly mother who still lives in her own home. just updated and expanded my home system (it was 12 years old). Monitoring is somewhere else but very well staffed and managed from what I've experienced. Mine cost $250 per year (each) and save me approx $200 on each of my insurance premiums. Mom's has a medic alert pendant also. Great peace of mind all the way around. A burglary at my business had a 2 minute response time and burglar was caught- Yay!-
 
I have had an alarm system for years (since late 80's). Motion detectors are false alarms awaiting to happen. The glass breakage is good and Door / Window contacts work well also.
One breakin @ 5AM was aborted by my system, went off while he was working on the door.
I recently put cameras around the house and feel they upgrade the capabilities tremendously and would recomend this to any one putting an alarm system into their home. The ability to see trouble aproaching could be a life saver.
Spend enough so the system is not always giving false alarms.
 
I use Brinks, and I am pleased. We had police on scene in under 8 minutes during one aborted break in.
 
"informed opinion on the Burglar Bomb?"

Not in the alarm biz, but I could give you the name of a guy who could give you a description of what one of ours did to him last May. ;) He aborted the burglary and, last I heard, was still a resident at the Denton County Gray Bar Hotel. :)
 
I would have to disagree on the motions. I feel they are even more important than door/window contacts. The window contacts can be bypassed if they cut the glass out without raising the window. There is no way to avoid the motion detector. The only false alarms we have had in 10 years were due to metallic kiddie helium balloons and a mouse in the basement. Maybe three total false alarms. We don't have pets, though.
 
The motion sensors have worked well for me. 3-4 false in 12+ years. Once was a window left open and twice was a sensor going bad and another was one we never figured out. Our 3 systems are in use 365 days/nights per year. We have monitoring with PIR motion, heat/rate-of-rise, smoke, and entries. Mom's system has some nifty occupant health options besides the medic alert pendant, ie calls her if sensors don't detect interior motion in a set amount of time and calls me if she doesn't answer with an "I'm OK".
Oh yeah, just remebered we had a false when kittysitting for our daughter and we forgot about the cat being there when we left the house. our fault.
 
Thanks

I appreciate everyone's feedback so far.

While I'd definitely save money by installing my own system, and while I'm a pretty handy guy when it comes to stuff like this, I don't trust myself when it comes to something as critical as protecting my family and belongings. The analogy is that, sure, I could save money by making my own gun...but why would I WANT to? :) That's what the pros are for.

Motion sensors are out for me because we have two cats. So its door and window sensors only.

Police around here are pretty close, and the fire company is right up the street, so I imagine their response times are good. And as others have said, if we're away and something happens--including fire--I like the peace of mind knowing someone will take care of my house.
 
I don't know why people think they can't have motion sensors with pets. We have three psychotic cats that run, fight, play, jump and otherwise tumble all over the house and the motion sensors have never been tripped. I don't know about all motion sensors, but mine have settings for different weights. I think mine is set to ignore anything under 50 lbs and whatever size that translates to. I don't know how to change it as the installer set it up. The only cat related false alarm I have was when our fat ass 18 lb grey tabby slammed into a glass French door that has a vibration/glass break sensor on it. I guess I'm screwed if some midget weighing less than 50 lbs breaks into my house... :D
 
While I'd definitely save money by installing my own system, and while I'm a pretty handy guy when it comes to stuff like this, I don't trust myself when it comes to something as critical as protecting my family and belongings..........That's what the pros are for.

It most likely won't be pros installing your system. I'd say your just as likely to have a high school dropout doing it. I've seen alarm installations where they drill holes anywhere they please, run the alarm wires parallel to and directly against the house wiring (no no), program the panel wrong etc. I'm sure there are some good companies out there, but my view is with something this important why wouldn't you want to do it yourself? Seems almost like saying I don't trust myself to protect my family, I'll leave that to the police.
 
Well, not every installer is a high school drop out. My installer was a licensed electrician, which is required for all installers with my company, and did a very good job.
 
PhilA,

I've been with Brinks for years. They are affordable, have great response time, and exceptional customer service.

Since you're having an alarm installed they can be "guilty" of overkill, if there is such a thing. I have a small window (Say 6" to 8" X 20") in one of my upstairs showers...they even wired that window!

The other thing that you might want to consider is fire protection. We're hard-wired for it; in other words if the Brinks Alarm detects smoke they get in touch with the Fire Dept, a nice feature especially when traveling.

Ask your installer for a bunch of Brinks signs and stickers and place them in conspicuous locations. They alone can be a good deterrent.

You'll also need to check if you are required to have an alarm permit. It's a fee you pay to cover false alarms, etc. It's not much $ and shouldn't deter you from getting an alarm.

Oh, yeah, get a German Shepard (or two) as well!

Hope this helps,
DFW1911
 
I have/had an ADT system- The biggest issue is police reponse time. When or if the alarm goes off- the best you can hope for is that they (the BG) run off. I have had the alarm system go off and not get any call, but then I have had times where I set it off on accident and they are all over it.

I stopped paying for the service after my three year contract. I still can arm the alarm and set it if I leave, but no one will call me if it goes off. I do have close neighbors so that helps, and I keep the stickers on my windows.

The bottom line is that you have to take care of you- but alot of loud noise can't hurt.
 
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