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Homeland Security officer charged in tourist beating
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Aguila Blanca
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I rather doubt it makes much difference at all. In general, Chinese women are usually small in stature. The Homeland "Security" Agent is a male, presumably in some semblance of physical fitness. I find it difficult to believe that it requires pepper spray and smashing the head against a wall for a male security officer to restrain a lone female from trying to move away from a disturbance ... if that's what she was doing.
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Yeah but you dont necessaril;y know what colour it is, what species, how old...
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spacemanspiff
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are we referring to 'homeland security' as true LEO's?
not a slam on either, just wondering....
not a slam on either, just wondering....
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I dont see a problem with the pepper spray...it is pretty low in the escalation of force scale...She scratched his arm, the spray was used. Apparently she fought, so she was taken down.
BTW, some of the hardest to control subjects are those 98 pound, slight of build women.
BTW, some of the hardest to control subjects are those 98 pound, slight of build women.
pinblaster
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If my wife got mad at me and attacked me and scratched me and I reacted the same way that JBT did to the Chinese woman , Lilysdad would be hauling my @$$ away in handcuffs and his fellow officers would be confiscating my guns . Heavy handed thugs should not have a badge .
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Yes, obviously she hit his fist and knee with her face. Hope she didn't break any bones in his hand.
Not according to the witnesses in the news account.
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Has anyone stopped to wonder why the big male security cop couldn't restrain an Asian woman (most of whom are remarkably petite) without bashing her face in? I thought the rule was to use only the amount of force required.
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I'd like to see more of this story.
One thing for certain, constitutional protections have not been extended (to my knowledge) to tourists. However, this does not excuse any unjustified physical force upon her if her actions didn't merit it.
She could argue that she was confused and acting in self defense (entirely acceptable for a tourist whose inglese isn't up to snuff) who is attacked by a person in authority. Imagine if this happened in Mao's time. Frontline news denouncing the oppressive capitalist bootlicking lackey dog for attacking a harmless peasant/proletariat who was on a peaceful goodwill mission.
I'd rather it be me. I could collect some $$$. Who wants to be a witness?
One thing for certain, constitutional protections have not been extended (to my knowledge) to tourists. However, this does not excuse any unjustified physical force upon her if her actions didn't merit it.
She could argue that she was confused and acting in self defense (entirely acceptable for a tourist whose inglese isn't up to snuff) who is attacked by a person in authority. Imagine if this happened in Mao's time. Frontline news denouncing the oppressive capitalist bootlicking lackey dog for attacking a harmless peasant/proletariat who was on a peaceful goodwill mission.
I'd rather it be me. I could collect some $$$.
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Think about this.
How far are we actually going to let this go?
Will you be outraged at:
"...and officials are waiting for the suspect to come out of a coma to obtain a statement." or will you still make excuses?
How far are we actually going to let this go?
Will you be outraged at:
"...and officials are waiting for the suspect to come out of a coma to obtain a statement." or will you still make excuses?
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Sorry but I just noticed that photo is from a Chinese news agency.
BTW, I'm sure a lot of us feel much safer now that an enemy alien has been beaten up. Heck of a way to be greeted upon stepping off the airplane.
Still, I'd like to see more of the story.
BTW, I'm sure a lot of us feel much safer now that an enemy alien has been beaten up.
Heck of a way to be greeted upon stepping off the airplane. Still, I'd like to see more of the story.
joab
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There are more Chinese coming into America through Canada than Cubans coming in though Miami. A translator is not at all that remote an idea
Looking at the picture, I would have to say that that is not the face of restraint, that is the face of a good old fashion beat down.
10 years ago I got jumped by 3 very determined Viets and didn't look that bad
Having lived a fair portion of my life next to a border crossing WITH CANADA i can that they DO in fact have a full contingent of translators. ANd that people of Chinese descent represent a HUGE portion of the population that crosses that border. So yeah, its pretty damn unlikely that a northern border crossing wouldnt have a Chinese translator on hand somewhere.
And not to question the veracity of the photo thats been posted here but i thought it was interesting to note that THIS is the source page for the picture.
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn
Catch the title? "The people's daily online". Of particular interest is the section titled "SELECTED WORKS OF DENG XIAOPING" http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/dengxp/ its represented in three volumes for your enjoyment.
Here is another fun article for your perusal http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200407/26/eng20040726_150777.html It is titled "Why America always picks at China?"
After a little bit of research it is easily learned that "The People's Daily" is an official newspaper of the COMMUNIST PARTY OF CHINA.
I never thought i would see the day when an official "news" publication of the Communist Chinese government would be used used as a LEGITIMATE SOURCE on The High Road.
Oh and according to this esteemed source she is in a wheelchair now
And here she is giving her interview to "selected members of the media"
Notice anything that all the reporters seem to have in common?Oh and just FYI that picture was taken at her lawyers office
I wonder if she will be in a neck brace when she makes it to court.
As another interesting note. Here is another source for what SHOULD be an identical AP article to the one that starts this thread.
http://www.courttv.com/news/2004/0726/tourist_ap.html
It is identical to the first article except for the last paragraph which states:
Treated and released? Into a wheelchair? hmmmmm
I also find it interesting that a google search of the officer's name turns up ONLY various versions of this SAME article in the American press. Everything else seems to appear in sources in Asia, and appear to be reprints of the "People's Daily" article.
You would think that with how much the lieberal media LOVES to print this sort of thing that you would find a little more reporting of it.
http://www.courttv.com/news/2004/0726/tourist_ap.html
It is identical to the first article except for the last paragraph which states:
Treated and released? Into a wheelchair? hmmmmm
I also find it interesting that a google search of the officer's name turns up ONLY various versions of this SAME article in the American press. Everything else seems to appear in sources in Asia, and appear to be reprints of the "People's Daily" article.
You would think that with how much the lieberal media LOVES to print this sort of thing that you would find a little more reporting of it.
Beren
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I've been such a fool. Obviously the real beating took place at the Chinese consulate's building as they "prepared" her for her photographs.
Could the lack of news coverage possibly have anything to do with the media's single-minded focus on Boston this week?
Could the lack of news coverage possibly have anything to do with the media's single-minded focus on Boston this week?
Another little point, unless something has changed, there is no such thing as a "Homeland Security Inspector" and DHS has NO LEOs in the traditional sense. Homeland Sec is an umbrella agency that incopperates a number of other agencies USSS, BICE etc. and they are still referred to as Secret Service, ICE Etc, not Homeland Security Agents. Homeland Security has no Agents of its own.
That, along with the fact that the intel seems to be mainly coming from a bunch of commie chinese sites leads me to think that the veracity of this story is in question. Like I said earlier, we should withold judgement until both sides are presented, not just the commie side
That, along with the fact that the intel seems to be mainly coming from a bunch of commie chinese sites leads me to think that the veracity of this story is in question. Like I said earlier, we should withold judgement until both sides are presented, not just the commie side
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Those who suspect the spin on this story related to international politics are on target. However, here's a local news story that adds a few factual tidbits...
Incident at bridge draws attention
Woman's injury now an international issue
By GENE WARNER
News Staff Reporter
7/28/2004
The alleged beating of a Chinese businesswoman by a Customs and Border Protection officer at the Rainbow Bridge last week has turned into an international issue.
The attack against Zhao Yan, a 37-year-old woman visiting the Falls on a business trip to the United States, left her with both eyes nearly swollen shut and the officer, Robert Rhodes, 43, of Niagara Falls, facing a serious criminal charge.
But the incident, which occurred at about 11:15 p.m. last Wednesday night, also has led to these developments:
Secretary of State Colin L. Powell and Chinese Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing have discussed the incident, with the Chinese official demanding an investigation and the State Department later vowing to conduct a thorough probe.
Zhao's attorney has vowed to file a lawsuit seeking at least $5 million in the incident, which the attorney called an assault on an innocent civilian.
The incident at the Rainbow Bridge also has led to headlines in at least several newspapers in China, with the victim calling the United States a "barbarous" and "brutal" place.
"I felt deeply humiliated," Zhao told the South China Morning Post. "I have been to many countries, but the U.S. is the most brutal place."
The China Daily showed a photo of Zhao's bruise-covered face. And the People's Daily quoted her as saying that she's been to many nations for business reasons, "and the United States is the most barbarous."
Rhodes was accused of using excessive physical force and pepper spray to subdue Zhao. The officer apparently thought - mistakenly - that she was one of three women accompanying a drug suspect at the pedestrian checkpoint on the bridge.
Law-enforcement officials said Rhodes was suspended from his job, before being charged with a federal civil-rights violation involving bodily harm. The charge is punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.
Rhodes was released on a $50,000 signature bond and ordered to appear again before U.S. Magistrate Judge Hugh B. Scott on Sept. 20.
"We take this matter very seriously," U.S. Attorney Michael A. Battle said Tuesday. "It's the responsibility of our office to investigate cases of alleged civil-rights violations."
The incident started when a male pedestrian had cleared customs at the bridge, before he was found carrying several pounds of marijuana.
According to an affidavit filed in U.S. District Court by the Department of Homeland Security, Rhodes hit the "duress" button and called for assistance. He later told superiors he asked the three women to come inside the inspection station, but instead they started to run. He then grabbed the nearest woman, Zhao.
Rhodes told officials that the woman tried to pull away from him and swung her arms at him, before he sprayed her with pepper spray.
Other officers, however, have claimed that Rhodes also threw Zhao into a wall, grabbed her hair, kneed her in the head and struck her head on the ground, according to the affidavit.
In his affidavit, Senior Special Agent Steven MacMartin of the Department of Homeland Security stated that the Chinese woman suffered swollen eyes, bruises around the eyes and a contusion on her forehead.
Zhao has claimed that her two friends fled immediately when officers first approached them, but she felt she had done nothing wrong, so she stayed put.
"Whenever I hear a man speaking English or see one wearing a U.S. police uniform, it makes me cringe," Zhao told the South China Morning Post. "The assault not only physically harmed me, but also left me with mental trauma."
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Political agendas aside, on-scene affadavits by other officers can't be so easily dismissed...can they?
Incident at bridge draws attention
Woman's injury now an international issue
By GENE WARNER
News Staff Reporter
7/28/2004
The alleged beating of a Chinese businesswoman by a Customs and Border Protection officer at the Rainbow Bridge last week has turned into an international issue.
The attack against Zhao Yan, a 37-year-old woman visiting the Falls on a business trip to the United States, left her with both eyes nearly swollen shut and the officer, Robert Rhodes, 43, of Niagara Falls, facing a serious criminal charge.
But the incident, which occurred at about 11:15 p.m. last Wednesday night, also has led to these developments:
Secretary of State Colin L. Powell and Chinese Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing have discussed the incident, with the Chinese official demanding an investigation and the State Department later vowing to conduct a thorough probe.
Zhao's attorney has vowed to file a lawsuit seeking at least $5 million in the incident, which the attorney called an assault on an innocent civilian.
The incident at the Rainbow Bridge also has led to headlines in at least several newspapers in China, with the victim calling the United States a "barbarous" and "brutal" place.
"I felt deeply humiliated," Zhao told the South China Morning Post. "I have been to many countries, but the U.S. is the most brutal place."
The China Daily showed a photo of Zhao's bruise-covered face. And the People's Daily quoted her as saying that she's been to many nations for business reasons, "and the United States is the most barbarous."
Rhodes was accused of using excessive physical force and pepper spray to subdue Zhao. The officer apparently thought - mistakenly - that she was one of three women accompanying a drug suspect at the pedestrian checkpoint on the bridge.
Law-enforcement officials said Rhodes was suspended from his job, before being charged with a federal civil-rights violation involving bodily harm. The charge is punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.
Rhodes was released on a $50,000 signature bond and ordered to appear again before U.S. Magistrate Judge Hugh B. Scott on Sept. 20.
"We take this matter very seriously," U.S. Attorney Michael A. Battle said Tuesday. "It's the responsibility of our office to investigate cases of alleged civil-rights violations."
The incident started when a male pedestrian had cleared customs at the bridge, before he was found carrying several pounds of marijuana.
According to an affidavit filed in U.S. District Court by the Department of Homeland Security, Rhodes hit the "duress" button and called for assistance. He later told superiors he asked the three women to come inside the inspection station, but instead they started to run. He then grabbed the nearest woman, Zhao.
Rhodes told officials that the woman tried to pull away from him and swung her arms at him, before he sprayed her with pepper spray.
Other officers, however, have claimed that Rhodes also threw Zhao into a wall, grabbed her hair, kneed her in the head and struck her head on the ground, according to the affidavit.
In his affidavit, Senior Special Agent Steven MacMartin of the Department of Homeland Security stated that the Chinese woman suffered swollen eyes, bruises around the eyes and a contusion on her forehead.
Zhao has claimed that her two friends fled immediately when officers first approached them, but she felt she had done nothing wrong, so she stayed put.
"Whenever I hear a man speaking English or see one wearing a U.S. police uniform, it makes me cringe," Zhao told the South China Morning Post. "The assault not only physically harmed me, but also left me with mental trauma."
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Political agendas aside, on-scene affadavits by other officers can't be so easily dismissed...can they?
Let's see ..... on one side of THR we have a lot of whiners who complain that our southern border is wide open, terrorists and Mex's just strolling in. Here we have a guy in Niagara Falls, NY trying to do his job and he gets in a jam because of international politics.
We already have captured guys trying to smuggle explosives into the USA from Canada.
Tell you what, let's open up all our borders because we don't want to hinder tourism or flight training activities.
This happened at a border crossing. The rules at border crossings are far different than say a jaywalking citation in Lenexa, Kansas.
If she took a poke at a cop in Peking, China she probably wouldn't get away with it. Why is she allowed to get away with it here? Didn't she recognize a uniform? If I took a poke at a cop in Hong Kong, Prague or Madrid, I would probably spend some time in the graybar hotel nursing some bruises.
There are about 6 Chinese restaurants within walking distance of the bridge on the American side. Another 5 on the Canadian side. Half the inspectors get takeout at lunch. Surely they could provide an interpreter.
In my neck of the woods, upon release from a hospital one is normally taken to the curbside in a wheelchair. Liability reasons. That's what they did to me after I received treatment for a broken finger.
The Chinese People's Liberation Army can knock down our US Navy planes but we can't detain one of their citizens running from a border crime scene.
How many have tried to slap the cuffs on a feisty little female who doesn't want to be cuffed?
Gimme a break.
He should have just tossed her into the gorge.
We already have captured guys trying to smuggle explosives into the USA from Canada.
Tell you what, let's open up all our borders because we don't want to hinder tourism or flight training activities.
This happened at a border crossing. The rules at border crossings are far different than say a jaywalking citation in Lenexa, Kansas.
If she took a poke at a cop in Peking, China she probably wouldn't get away with it. Why is she allowed to get away with it here? Didn't she recognize a uniform? If I took a poke at a cop in Hong Kong, Prague or Madrid, I would probably spend some time in the graybar hotel nursing some bruises.
There are about 6 Chinese restaurants within walking distance of the bridge on the American side. Another 5 on the Canadian side. Half the inspectors get takeout at lunch. Surely they could provide an interpreter.
In my neck of the woods, upon release from a hospital one is normally taken to the curbside in a wheelchair. Liability reasons. That's what they did to me after I received treatment for a broken finger.
The Chinese People's Liberation Army can knock down our US Navy planes but we can't detain one of their citizens running from a border crime scene.
How many have tried to slap the cuffs on a feisty little female who doesn't want to be cuffed?
Gimme a break.
He should have just tossed her into the gorge.
Pebcac
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She shouldn't have run. She shouldn't have been flinging her arms around. She's definitely playing up the innocent victim role, probably at her government's urging.
She still didn't deserve an ass-kicking. Law enforcement officers are supposed to be professionals, and that doesn't include smacking women's faces on the pavement by the hair and kneeing them in the heads, whether they're fighting back or not. She broke the law? Fine, lock her up, not rough her up.
According to the article, dude's own colleagues indicated in an affidavit (hence, a sworn statement) that he was bashing her around. Unless the article is flat lying, which is possible, that's good enough for me to see him jobless.
Also, to address those who would say that she would've gotten worse in China, I say to you, "So what?" Would you really want to set the standard that low? Should we now chop off someone's hands for stealing just because they came from Iran?
Disclaimer: The preceeding commentary is based on the assumption that the facts in the article are somewhat reliable, but everyone knows what they say about the word "assume."
She still didn't deserve an ass-kicking. Law enforcement officers are supposed to be professionals, and that doesn't include smacking women's faces on the pavement by the hair and kneeing them in the heads, whether they're fighting back or not. She broke the law? Fine, lock her up, not rough her up.
According to the article, dude's own colleagues indicated in an affidavit (hence, a sworn statement) that he was bashing her around. Unless the article is flat lying, which is possible, that's good enough for me to see him jobless.
Also, to address those who would say that she would've gotten worse in China, I say to you, "So what?" Would you really want to set the standard that low? Should we now chop off someone's hands for stealing just because they came from Iran?
Disclaimer: The preceeding commentary is based on the assumption that the facts in the article are somewhat reliable, but everyone knows what they say about the word "assume."
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