Homeless Voice - Panhandlers - Fort Lauderdale Intersections

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If I see one of these guys angling towards me, I look em straight in the eye and say.. "Hey man, got any spare change".... with my hand out.

They usually can't figure out what happened and I walk right on by.
 
You've obviously never delt with hosile bums. I have, they have short fuses and don't like someone telling them "no". They have the mindset of children.

...with the strength of grown men.

"Homeless" is, as I posted above, a meaningless term. We need to go back to differentiating who is who and what is what.

Some are harmless. Some are dangerous.
 
Really??? You don't know me. I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Your right, and I wasn't there. I just read the story you wrote.

You've obviously never delt with hosile bums. I have, they have short fuses and don't like someone telling them "no". They have the mindset of children. I keep my hand on the ready when approached.

I live in Atlanta and I drive a convertable or ride a motorcycle most of the year. I "deal" with homeless people daily. I never reached for a gun and I never felt like I needed to "buy them off with smokes". The only time I remember contributing was 3 years ago when a family member was in the Grady Hospital trauma center and while visiting I would go outside to smoke and offer a cigarette to a homeless person that was there every day.
 
You know, they don't bother me much. I ride my bike all over town and they just don't ask me for money even when I'm right there. Maybe it's the unique way I dress.
 
I ignore them or if I am in a good mood tell them to go to the Union Gospel Mission in FW TX if they need anything. I am less tolerant to them when my wife and daughter is with me. My wife had a bad run in with one years ago when our daughter was a baby and has a fit if any of them get too close.

I worked in benevolence work off and on for 15 years and 98% of them waste it on booze, smokes and drugs if they are given cash.
 
I used to carry a stack of job applications in my glove box. When they'd approach, I'd hand it to'em out the window before they could say anything. I wish they had camera phones back then because you would see some faces! They often got angry. I'd get anything from a simple "F- You!" to having the paper wadded up and thrown at me. Once a guy got mad and started punching and kicking my van as I drove off. I had tears in my eyes when the light turned green.
 
KBT1911 - That's priceless.

In Texas, if they try to force their way into your car, they are fair game. The castle law applies to your car as well. I'm not looking to hurt anybody, but I'm not the least bit afraid of them and I'm not about to give them money.

I was in El Paso a few years ago. I saw a bunch of bums. I was checking into a Comfort Inn and a few of these bums came in behind me to get their rooms. They were all getting individual rooms. When I walked out to my car after checking out, one of them was opening the trunk to their car. They had 2 coolers full of beer in the back and I overheard one of them talking about their house a couple of hours away. They aren't as poor as they try to look.
 
That is true. Here in Denver, they had a camera crew follow a "bum" around one day. He was one of the "Will work for food" varieties that hang out at intersections.

They followed him to his car, then followed him to his home. They talked to him about it and he admitted he pulled down about $60k a year doing that.

And he had a heck of a tan.
 
That is true. Here in Denver, they had a camera crew follow a "bum" around one day. He was one of the "Will work for food" varieties that hang out at intersections.

They followed him to his car, then followed him to his home. They talked to him about it and he admitted he pulled down about $60k a year doing that.

Yep. "working a sign" pays pretty good. One day I was watching a guy work an intersection. He just sat there with his sign. It was a high powered sign. It had all the triggers,ie homeless, hungry, veteran, disabled and children. In 15 minutes 5 cars gave him something. If it was only a dollar bill each, that's 20 bucks an hour. His wife or GF was working the other side. I think they do OK.

While there are some crazies out there, for the most part they are just different. You can talk to them. Unless you are just generally afraid of dirty people that are different from you.
 
Panhandling is illegal here, so I called the cops. I didn't when it was just a couple here and there, but then they started infesting every side of every major intersection. The last thing I want is for 'my fair city' to become bum-friendly like Austin.

That was about a year ago. I very rarely see them in my part of town now.
 
I work in NYC and you have to work on the "The homeless people are invisible" walk. You just pretend that they are even there. That usually works.
 
What if a homeless person wants to get a CHL, but can't afford the class or licensing fees?
Also:
*money to buy said handgun
*permanent address
*money for ammo to fire weapon during training, ect.

I always thought people from Penesacola and Panama City were 'panhandlers' Ive never heard the term used to define homeless vagrant bums.
 
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So here's what you do when a bucket person (panhandler with bucket lookin' for change) asks for $$. Tell them to go talk to Barack because he's handing out plenty of change. It usually throws them off a bit and you get a good laugh.
 
Also:
*money to buy said handgun
*permanent address
*money for ammo to fire weapon during training, ect.

Suppose the gun and ammo were a gift.

Do people without a permanent address not have the right to defend themselves?

I'm just saying this because I think it's BS we're being charged to exercise a right. If an impoverished person got a lawyer pro-bono, maybe those fees could get thrown out. Of course they could try to raise taxes... and get themselves thrown out. So if costing the state money, and concealed licensees are shown to be law abiding folk... maybe we can get the laws tossed and go to Vermont style carry everywhere?

I'm sure this is the wrong forum, but this thread made that question pop into my head. I'd take it elsewhere, but I doubt there are too many impoverished people on here to make it worth the while.

Anyhow, just an idea. I'll leave it at that.
 
why do you even acknowledge these scum or engage them in conversation??:confused:

if you do find it necessary to speak to them, do so by handing them a job application from walmart:neener:
 
eric.cartman said:
P.S. Can this be reported to the Police? Would they be able to do anything about it?

Yes, the police would be able to do something about it, at least around here. My municipality has an "aggressive panhandling" ordinance in place, and it is written specifically to address these kinds of idiots. Even if you aren't willing to sign a complaint for the transient's activities, you would still do well to advise the police of the situation. Many of the panhandlers where I work are drunk nearly 24/7, and a quick trip to DETOX will usually solve the problem for that day, even if we aren't charging them specifically for the panhandling!

Keep in mind that your average panhandler is probably looking for a drug or alcohol fix. While not every panhandler is a crack-head, almost all crack-heads are panhandlers. If you look deeply enough into any one of these situations, there is almost always an addiction of some kind, or mental illness in play. With that in mind, you can surely imagine that a lot of these people aren't exactly what we'd like to call "stable". Honestly, I'd say that the majority of these folks are generally non-violent, but there are certainly plenty of violent drug-charged criminals involved in panhandling activities.

Just on one corner in my district I know of at least three of the "regular" guys with extensive violent histories. One has assaulted police officers on three different occasions, been in prison for felony assaults dating back to the 1970's, and has committed numerous armed robberies. The second guy was convicted of murder back in the 80's, along with a string of other violent offenses, and the other remaining idiot is a violent sex offender. So, I always recommend that people approach these pandhandlers with due caution!

Another thing that I might add (at least around here) is that most transients are carrying some type of weapon. Even some of the more benign folks that I've dealt with for years --who have no documented history of violence-- usually have some type of weapon on them. Typically this consists of a knife, or other crude edged weapon (ice picks, etc).

Unfortunately, as you mentioned, people always reinforce this inappropriate behavior by giving money to the bums. I see it on a daily basis at nearly every busy intersection around here... Almost without fail, at least one person at every red light will hand at least a dollar out the window to the bums. Thus, business is good, so why would they quit?


dravur said:
That is true. Here in Denver, they had a camera crew follow a "bum" around one day. He was one of the "Will work for food" varieties that hang out at intersections.

They followed him to his car, then followed him to his home. They talked to him about it and he admitted he pulled down about $60k a year doing that.

And he had a heck of a tan.

Looks like you are in my neck-of-the-woods!

Yeah, I remember figures like that from back when I lived in Cleveland growing up. I'm not entirely surprised, given the number of folks that I see handing money to these bums! If you figure that they are getting even just $1 per 2 minute red light cycle, that can still be $30/hr (plus, I often see someone handing out either multiple bills, or fives and tens). Now figure four hours in the morning, four in the evening, 5 days per week... There's your $60k.

Realistically, I rarely catch one of these transients with more than a few dollars on them, but I should also add that I'm fairly certain that a lot of that money is quickly disappearing in a plume of crack smoke, or some form of liquid courage. I also wouldn't say that these guys work the "regular" hours that I stated in the last paragraph, but they can certainly pull in a decent little amount for standing there (more than they probably would if they were working a fast food job).
 
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I usually ask the Bum if they have change for a Hundred......get's em everytime.

J/K
 
why do you even acknowledge these scum or engage them in conversation??
What an incredibly sad perspective. These are not objects - they are people. Just like any other type of person, there are some good and some bad, some sane and some unhinged, some healthy and some unwell. Common sense would suggest that there are more unwell/unhinged folk on the street than healthy/sane, and my experiences with homeless folk in DC and Dallas would bear that out. But that's not a truism, and that in no way lessens their humanity.

Treat them as you would treat any other stranger.

That means, first and foremost, that you should be observant to their presence and demeanor. You should know how to treat folk with kindness and bring the humanity out in them. Failing that, you should know how to get aggressive folk to back off through an escalation of non-verbal communication, verbal commands, and physical presence if needed. You should certainly be willing to call 911 if the situation becomes confrontational, just as you would with any other stranger that is harrassing you.

But calling your fellow humans 'scum' with no basis other than the fact that they're homeless and/or panhandlers is frankly not very High Road at all, in my humble opinion.
 
Everyone who gives them money only encourages them to stick around.

While I agree that calling them "scum" isn't very high road, there's a big difference between a homeless person living in a shelter making an effort, and some bum on the side of the road begging for beer money.

As far as your 'sad perspective' comment, not acknowledging people is the easiest way to avoid any interaction whatsoever. You can ignore people while still keeping an eye on them, too - you don't have to "bring their humanity out". Just wear sunglasses.
 
In some cities Pan Handlers are flat out of control.

I recently visited my folks in Ga (hr or so south of ATL). I of course wanted to take my GF to have lunch in the city and show her around. After lunch (Varisty or course) we parked a block off the capital square on the street and as soon as we closed the doors 2 of them started across the road to meet us. They were very aggresive and were getting even more so (when I told one I couldn't help them get back to where ever the hell he came from) until one of them noticed the Marine Corps sticker on my Jeep....

The all of a sudden he was a "VET too". I cut the guy right off and told him " look man, I'm sure your situation is bad but I've spent the better part of my life fuking people up all over this world to get what I have and I'll fuk up a **** load more of them to keep it". I gave the guy one of my business cards, told him if he really was a VET to call me.... We had plenty of good paying jobs overseas open and I'd be happy to put in a word for him. The dude said "me go to Iraq, you gota be crazy man". I told him it wouldn't be any more dangerouse than approacing people like me on the street and that the pay/living conditions/chow was a whole lot better. That ended the confrontation right then and there. Guy never did call me...
Will
 
I've spent the better part of my life ****** people up all over this world to get what I have and I'll **** up a **** load more of them to keep it".


Uhhh...I'm sure that impressed your girlfriend.

The panhandlers probably not so much.

Us folks here at The High Road probably even less so.
 
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