Hornady LNL AP owners?

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jethro75

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I am going to get this press and was wondering besides what comes with the press and a shell plate what else am I going to need for it? I am planning on loading for 357mag, 38spec and 357 sig right now and when I get the press and set it up I dont want to have to wait for something else that I needed for the press that it did not come with. I have lee dies for all 3 with the lee factory crimp die. From your experience what else should I order with the press that you needed after you got yours, that you wish you would have gotten when you ordered or got your press.
Thanks.
 
Get the pistol micrometer stem for the powder drop - much finer increments, std is too coarse to easily dial in pistol loads altho it can be done...

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=779157

I'd probably get some Hornady 1 Shot lube for the cases - carbide dies notwithstanding, that stuff is great! Also, a spray can of Dry Lube for the primer slide (rarely!!) and powder drop pivots. Finally, a couple of extra case retaining springs....all stuff that's cheap and available from Midwya.

If you're going to use Lee dies I'd get a handful of Hornady die lock nuts - a lot better than the Lee chrome nuts.
/Bryan
 
You'll certainly want a seperate powder measure stem for each caliber to save set up time. I didn't find any problem with the regular stem, but did buy the small pistol stem since I only use 3 grains at a time. I've loaded probably 15k with my Lee dies and nothing has moved, so I wouldn't worry about the lock rings. I also bought a Dillon low primer sensor which alerts you to being almost out of primers. They're about $20 and worth it. The case retainer springs are something you might want to keep several on hand. Some guys seem to go through them pretty quickly, but I'm sure I got 5k out of the last one.
 
You will need a powder scale to set your charges. While Lee dies will work get a set of the Hornady Titanium Nitride des when they go on sale.

You may want to get more die bushings for the other set of dies, makes changes a lot quicker.

As others have mentioned, you will need a small measuring pistol powder stem if you need to load low volume charges of 10 grs or under. If you load with bulky powder like IMR Trail Boss or heavier charges of slower powder like Blue Dot, 2400, etc. the standard stem is the one to use.

IMO the micrometer stem isn't really needed or all that extra helpfull. It only takes a few minutes to set your charge adjustment regardless of what stem you have. The only thing the micrometer adjustment does is get you close to a previous charge level IF you have writen it down and can find it. You can't trust the micrometer setting and still have to use the scale for check and fine adjustment. Save yourself the $10 and get the standard. I have both, the micrometer stem was bought first because I was swayed by the marketing. The standard small stem pistol tube was bought to be used on a Hornady powder measure I bought later to replace my old Herter's measure used with a single stage RCBS press I use for small batches and load development.
 
I can't think of anything off the top of my head that was necessary for using the press. Midway's primer tube filling machine (Frankford Arsenal, I think) is a great thing to have and works fine with this press. If you are using Hornady's excellent lock rings, the matching wrench is very handy. Oh, and a powder baffle for the RCBS Uniflow will fit in the Hornady measure. Others have reported better consistency with the baffle; I haven't tried it yet.
 
I would buy the pistol micrometer listed in canucks posting ASAP. It does not show on hornady's website and I believe they plan to discontinue it. The advantage is it works with the rifle drum.

Hornady looks to force you to buy a pistol "drum" which comes with a basic pistol insert for about the cost of the pistol micrometer one above. That will also require switching drums when changing from pistol-rifle or vice versa. That is more work than just changing inserts and requires tools. Another neat marketing trick is hornady does not list the basic pistol insert for sale seperately, only the micrometer pistol insert that works with the pistol drum is offered seperately. So you can't buy a bunch of the basic ones and swap them out. What cost $25 in the past will now cost at least $50 total in the future if you desire micrometer pistol charge adjustments.

Buy 4 extra die bushings for each pistol caliber planned and 2-3 extra for each rifle caliber; 10 packs are nice and a little cheaper. You'll need a scale to set the powder measure. Order all of the shellplates needed for the different calibers.

I've switched over to a hornady progressive (from a dillon 550) and think it'll work out fine, but some of Hornady's marketing practices do not please me. Look at the price of the electric casefeeder; discounted, it's still $60-70 more than dillon and doesn't even come with one case plate unlike dillon. They are advertising the new power drop expanding inserts will only work with the "new" powder measure activation system so that is another $50 in parts to replace. I'm not sure that replacement will be required, but it's what the advertising and marketing says.

Fair warning, only hornady crimp dies work well in the 5th die station; they are made especially short to not hit the case ejector wire. I simply cut 1/4 inch off of bottom of all my taper crimp dies and now they work fine. A buddy used a file to make a clearance gap all the way around his lee FCD body. You might be able to bend the wire somewhat, but that will likely cause ejection issues. It'd be easier to just buy/make a crimp die that works with the stock ejector wire.

I've seen more quality issues with Hornady than expected. One shellplate I bought was defective and Hornady replaced it. A buddy is having hell getting his powder drop system to work right without jamming. Mine works fine and his setup looks fine, but there is a problem somewhere. Again, Hornady CS has been trying to help fix the problem, but I've seen enough to check every shellplate and press operation very closely.

Overall, it is going to be cheaper than a 550 setup with a bit more capability, but it's been alot more work to get it completely setup and tested.
 
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"A buddy is having hell getting his powder drop system to work right without jamming. Mine works fine and his setup looks fine, but there is a problem somewhere. Again, Hornady CS has been trying to help fix the problem, but"

yeah, that'd be me.

If your not in a huge hurry; I wopuld consider waiting until they start shipping the LnL AP with the new CAPD powder measure setup with the different linkage and spring design. Spring 2006 is what the website says.

Im getting binding between the drop tube and the inside of the powder die.
Im afraid my 1911 using friend may be correct, in that the measure was threaded off-center for the drop tube.

Ill get it up to 100%, Im sure, but I sure aint seeing the "ease of reloading" youre supposed to get via progressives.
 
Thanks for everyones help. I think since I am this close I will wait to get the LnL AP with the new CAPD powder measure setup. Just about everyplace I looked is out of stock anyway, must be waiting for the new ones to ship. At least now I have a good idea of what I need when I order one.
 
olyeller, I loaded up a few hundred rounds of .45ACP on my 650, yesterday, experiencing the "ease of reloading" about which you speak. :)
 
I got mine around the first of the year, and have loaded up over 5000 rounds on it so far.

Definitely get the pistol rotor and insert. For charge weights less than 5 or 6 grains, the rifle rotor cavity is almost closed. The top of the rifle rotor insert is about 5/8" in diameter and slightly domed. It can't throw small charge weights with any kind of consistency.

As 1911user stated, be careful when using separate crimping dies in the 5th station. I wasn't paying attention and ended up mashing the bottom of the crimping die into the ejector wire. This banged it up enough to give me case ejection problems. Hornady replaced it for free even though it was my fault.
 
psssst,
Serendipity; dont tell anyone, but a 650 with case feeder is on its way to my house.

At this point, I intend on giving hornady a little time to resolve the issue, which theyd said they would do.

After that, they take opposite sides of my bench and duke it out for about 2-3k of .45acp each.

I will make some notes and possibly write it up for this page.
 
Eddie, the advantage of the micrometer pistol insert that fits the rifle drum is no drum changes and lower cost for the same result. The insert fills most of the rifle drum opening and has a small diameter rod that adjusts inside the middle resulting in a smaller cavity appropriate for pistol measurements. Pricing and pictures are from Midway.

Here is the micrometer rifle insert: ($25)
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Here is the micrometer pistol insert (being discontinued): ($25)
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Both of these use the rifle drum (and a Big Brown Truck will be dropping off one of each at my house tonight).

Here is the replacement pistol drum with a basic (non-micrometer) pistol insert: ($26)
You cannot buy the basic pistol insert by itself, only with the drum.
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Here is the micrometer pistol insert to fit the pistol drum (only): ($25)
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In the near future, it'll cost $26+$25= $51 to get micrometer pistol adjustments vs. $25 for the one that fits in a rifle drum (while there is still stock available). Both create the same size (diameter) cavity for measuring pistol powder.

When first setting up the press with a dillon crimp die in station #5, I almost cut the ejector wire into 3 pieces before I discovered why my crimps weren't getting any better but the press was getting harder to operate.... Dillon crimp dies have a radiused opening that is fairly sharp on the edges. I bought Lee taper crimp dies then got out the hacksaw and grinder to make them work in station 5. Hornady replaced the ejector wire when they replaced the shellplate.
 
I was wondering if I should wait untill it ships with the new CAPD powder measure setup or get one from cabelas. I can get it now shipped for $346 thats includeing $20 off cabelas bucks. On top of that they will give you $50 cabelas bucks. So it would really be like $296 shipped. Would it be worth it to wait for improvement or take the deal I can get now.
 
just me, but Id wait.
Call hornady, and ask which dealer is getting the new capd LnL AP's first.
They are in the process of boxing the capds up as we speak.
 
I'd also wait on the press with the new drop system. IMO the major reason they redesigned it was to make room for a powder check die in station #3. There may be other reasons, but with the new expander/drop inserts and a push for powder check dies this year, space to install a check die was the driving issue. You can use a check die in #3 with the old drop linkage, but the powder measure and check die have to be lined up and turned just right for everything to fit (not exagerating). When using the LNL bushings, it requires a certain sequence to install the dies, powder die, and powder measure otherwise there is interference twisting the bushings to lock them in place.

The only part I'd buy now is the micrometer pistol powder insert that is being discontinued and is already out of stock at several online vendors.
 
I called Hornady yesterday and they are now shipping the powder-through expanders. Unfortunately for us current owners, the only new expanders that will work with the "old" (and by "old" I mean "bought before yesterday") case activated powder drop are those for cartridges longer than 1".
 
Back to the original question of extras for this press: Once you put the Lock-n-Load bushings on your dies, the dies probably won't fit back into the storage boxes that they came in. You can get the Hornady die boxes separately, and they are large enough to hold dies with the bushings installed.
 
CAPD?

Whats that mean? I have been wearing out the Hornady catalogue looking at the LnL AP press. I was going to set up with a Dillon, but I think hat I reload so many different cartridges, the cost would be prohibitive with the blue.

As to the metering units for the powder measure, isn't this the main advantage of this set up? Press the button and remove and replace the insert to another preset one.

I was considering getting a standard onefor each set of dies and using a micrometer when I was loading several loads in the same cartridge, eg 38Special target loads and 38 Special Cowboy/PPC loads for expample.

Mick.
 
I see that Midway has the Hornady LNL press back in stalk. Does anyone know if it comes with the new CAPD set up? If not is anyone carrying them yet?

This is part of an email I received from Hornady on July 19:

They are shipping the new powder case activated unit starting with #
9901 Midway got the first ones.
 
CAPD = case activated powder dispenser: i.e. it only dispenses powder if a case is actually in that location on the progressive press. The previous system was case activated too.

The new setup uses the same measure and metering inserts (though they have changed the pistol inserts and drum). The difference is the new linkage now allows straight-wall pistol cartridge mouths to be expanded in the powder-drop station, similarly to Dillon and Lee presses. This makes an extra station available for a powder check die, while still having a station for separate crimping.

There are modifications published on some of these forums that show how to use parts from the lyman powder through expander die to allow the previous system to expand the casemouth too.

Andy
 
so if my serial # is in the 10,000 then I received one of the new ones...
I am new to reloading and just purchased this reloader and was wandering what else I would neeed besides the bushings and dies to get started? Do I need a crimp die?
I am gong to start only reloading 9mm and 45acp ...

thanks
 
4fingermick posted:
Whats that mean? I have been wearing out the Hornady catalogue looking at the LnL AP press. I was going to set up with a Dillon, but I think hat I reload so many different cartridges, the cost would be prohibitive with the blue.

Have you considered an RCBS Pro 2000? Similar features to the LNL except no case feeder and it's manually indexed. I actually prefer the manuel indexing but having a case feeder would be nice.

Also, The Pro 2000 uses the APS priming system. It works just as well as a tube fed, just a little different.
 
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