House Panel clears National Carry

[usmarine0352_2005]

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http://thehill.com/homenews/house/189951-house-panel-clears-gun-rights-bill-with-one-gop-defection

House panel clears conceal-and-carry gun bill, with one Republican defection

By Molly K. Hooper - 10/26/11 03:00 PM ET


The House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday approved a gun-rights bill that could be headed to the floor by the end of 2011.

The legislation, which would allow for conceal-and-carry weapon reciprocity across states lines, cleared the panel on a 19-11 vote.


The gun group has endorsed bills offered by Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.) and Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) that would take into consideration those states without permit laws.

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I don't understand how it would punish residents from Alaska. I suppose they are saying since Alaska and other states that don't issue permits can't carry in these other states.......however, they can't carry in other states already, right?



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[usmarine0352_2005]

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I guess although it will supposedly pass the House easily it looks like it will face stiff resistance in the Demcratically controlled Senate and I guess a lot of it depends on Majority Leader Harry Reid (D) who did actually vote for a similiar bill 2 years ago which didn't pass.

 

[TexasRifleman]

however, they can't carry in other states already, right?

Sure but now we're talking about passing a Federal law that doesn't treat all US citizens the same and that to me sounds like a pretty bad idea. This isn't a very well written bill if you turn down the 2A rah rah and look at what's actually in it.

 

[Shadow 7D]

Um, there are some constitutional problems with it, like states rights etc.
and by what "common" denominator are they going to judge this bill, will DOJ decided that Chicago or California or NJ or NYNY is the standard?
Reciprocity and the travel exemption work well enough on the state and federal level, do you really want another level, after all what happens when you with you NEW spiffy FEDERAL license gets picked up in NY NY or Chicago and STILL get STATE time, it's kinda like the Marijuana legalization, just because ONE government in the polity says it's OK doesn't mean the OTHER GOVERNMENT agrees.

 

[Leverb66]

Um, there are some constitutional problems with it, like states rights etc.
and by what "common" denominator are they going to judge this bill, will DOJ decided that Chicago or California or NJ or NYNY is the standard?
Reciprocity and the travel exemption work well enough on the state and federal level, do you really want another level, after all what happens when you with you NEW spiffy FEDERAL license gets picked up in NY NY or Chicago and STILL get STATE time, it's kinda like the Marijuana legalization, just because ONE government in the polity says it's OK doesn't mean the OTHER GOVERNMENT agrees.

Have you read it? There is no new Federal license. It forces other states that issue CCP's to honor your state's permit. You still have to follow the laws of the state you are in while carrying in a different state. I don't know how that equals a loss of states rights?

 

[Shadow 7D]

States have reciprocity based on THEIR licensing standards, most states will accept a license that is
1: of a similar level of requirements
2: of a stricter level of requirements

This would force all states to accept ALL OTHER states, no matter what the level - My point is what is the common standard? Who sets it?
so.... there's some issues with that. Cause you know states kinda govern themselves.

Does a 'nation' level of training come out
Who sets this?

Why is the federal gov in this to begin with?

 

[zstephens13]

Alaska DOES issue permits, but they are not REQUIRED to carry.

 

[sugarmaker]

In Vt my drivers license, hunting license, or any other proof of residency is my CCW license.

 

[oneounceload]

The legislation, which would allow for conceal-and-carry weapon reciprocity across states lines, cleared the panel on a 19-11 vote.

Based on WHOSE laws? NYC? DC? San Fran?, maybe Chicago...(oops they don't have CCW)

Sorry, I am still against ANY Federal intrusion into what my state allows - if it isn't going to be full CCW allowed EVERYWHERE, including bars, schools, judicial buildings, Post Offices and every other taxpayer paid for buildings - what good is it?

 

[Danb1215]

In Vt my drivers license, hunting license, or any other proof of residency is my CCW license.

You don't need to be a resident to CC without a permit in Vermont.

 

[Shadow 7D]

Too bad they let everybody carry like cops... and retired cops... etc.

 

[Caliper_Mi]

Based on WHOSE laws? NYC? DC? San Fran?, maybe Chicago...(oops they don't have CCW)

Read the bill. It sets no standard except that you need to be permitted to carry in your home state. When carrying outside your state, you would have to follow the laws of the state that you are carrying in.

 

[bushmaster1313]

Sort of like FOPA

Federal preemption of state gun restrictions.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

If this bill makes it out of the House, passes the Democrat controlled Senate, and Obama passes this bill, that is all the proof you'll need to know this bill is bad. I will morn another death knell for our ability to exercise our RKBA. This bill is the prettiest pig I've ever seen in lipstick and heels. Just remember that it still slops at the trough.

Woody

 

[Shadow 7D]

Sort of like FOPA

That SOLELY covers people not originating nor ending in that state (hence interstate) and actually part of the federal govs job.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Sort of like FOPA

Federal preemption of state gun restrictions.

Nope! It's INCORPORATION of state gun restrictions! And, it's probably going to be a path for some other loss or losses to our RKBA just like the Hughes amendment that was added at the last minuet to the FOPA.

Woody

 

[Prince Yamato]

This is a good bill, which will die because nobody is taking the time to read it. We are our own worst enemies when it comes to this.

All the bill does is require the states to recognize each other's CHLs alla driver's licenses.

Everything else people are posting is conspiracy theory nonsense.

 

[bushmaster1313]

That SOLELY covers people not originating nor ending in that state (hence interstate) and actually part of the federal govs job.

If the Feds can use the Commerce Clause allow someone to possess a gun otherwise illegal in state Y because he is travelling through state Y to get from state X to state Z, the Feds can use the commerce clause to allow someone from State X to possess his pistol while he is in State Y.

 

[Shadow 7D]

No
it only covers the IN-BETWEEN states
what goes on in the start and finish states, is internal, what happens in passing is just that PASSING through, so

How bout a law that lets you CCW if it's legal in the start state and legal in the end state, BUT if you stop in an intermediate state, you'll get arrested (see you ended your travel- don't laugh it's been used on FOPA protected travel)

 

[RatDrall]

There was a whole war fought over states rights vs federal control. Federal control won. You guys lamenting the loss of states rights, because now people in commy states might be able to carry guns legally, are way out there.

There are appropriate times for .fedgov to step in and force restrictive states to respect the rights of American Citizens. Incidents of violations of the 1st and 2nd amendments to the Constitution are up there on the list of appropriate government intervention.

 

[oneounceload]

Let's see how much you like the national CCW when the restrictions are based on someplace like NYC or DC

 

[Mike1234567]

The job of the Federal Government is to protect national borders. Any fiddling with States Rights is HIGHLY questionable.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Let's see how much you like the national CCW when the restrictions are based on someplace like NYC or DC

This isn't "national CCW". Read the bill.

The job of the Federal Government is to protect national borders. Any fiddling with States Rights is HIGHLY questionable.

There's no fiddling with state's rights. All it does is establish reciprocity. It doesn't dictate "gun free zones". It doesn't impose a national ID card.

 

[Mike1234567]

^^^ Untrue... this is a Trojan Horse. The Federal Government is imposing its control over States' power. It's their "foot in the door".

 

[mortablunt]

This bill just enforces Full Faith and Credit in terms of states having to accept weapons licenses from other states. There is no golden standard state used as a baseline and there is no Federal Carry Permit. My only worry is that in order to make it pass the Senate, or get that presidential signature, that some sort of concession will need to be put in there such as an Assault Weapons law, or a magazine cap amendment.