house robbed today while everyone slept.

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DennisRL

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This morning, While my father, mother and their lab slept, someone came through their back door, walked through the house past my mothers pocketbook and went into a back bedroom, they went into the room and carefully unplugged a computer and left my fathers wallet sitting nearby and left with nothing else.

Everyone was asleep and heard the door but assumed it was the other person letting the dog out, my mother has been sleeping in the room next to the one the computer was stolen from, so had she walked out she would have been between the robber and his exit.

HERE is my problem...I live nearby and often times come over, without warning at random times, the garage door is ALWAYS left wide open and the garge door into the house is also always unlocked (matter of fact, the lock has been broken for years), the front door open and a glass storm door closed but left unlocked. The back sliding glass door is ALWAYS unlocked unless they are home.

About 6 months ago there was a problem with homeless people living in the wooded area only about 100 yards from there house. They would wake up to them in the yard and hanging out nearby late at night drunk. The homeless have since disparsed after "I attempted to convince them".

Here is my problem: I CANNOT get my parents to realize in this economy, there is no such thing as a "safe neighborhood". 15 years ago it was a wealthy and safe, tight knit community, but since the housing market crashed, many homes are left abandoned and people who normally couldnt afford these homes all of a sudden can. It has brought quite a bit of riff-raff in.

I also cannot convince them to not leave things unlocked or open! As a matter of fact onbly about 15 hours after they discovered the robbery, my fathers car is left unlocked in the driveway, the garage door is open, door to the house is unlocked and they are both out back.

My father just recently bought a firearm, after much convincing from me and my brother. I sent him to a "New Gun Owners course" but he still has these irrational ideas of guns. He has convinced himself he is going to give the "robber" the opportunity to leave and would not shoot a fleeing person in his house, despite the FL Castle Doctorine protecting his right to do so. I have told him time and time again "If they are in your house, assume they are their to do harm and can easily cause bodily harm or death, make sure you are the first to do so, so that your NOT a victim. You need to shoot first, shoot fast and continue to fire until their is NO longer a threat. Not shoot one round, wait for a response and determine if follow up shots need to be used to stop the threat.

He tells me he will wait for the person to come around the hallways into the kitchen or hallways so that if he shoots them, they wont bleed on his carpets. I cannot convince him "Thats an igorant concern when someone is in your house uninvited, thats why you carry homeowners insurance. All you are doing is giving them time to pull their firearm, attack and disarm him or hid behind cover in time to return fire.

I ALSO just a few days ago convinced him it is pointless to keep the loaded magazine in one drawer and the gun in its case in another drawer. There are only two adults in the house, NEVER any children. He continually says if he hears a threat he will go out with the gun and magazine together but NOT one chambered and will point the gun and threaten the intruder before he loads a round. I again try to convince him that he is giving them a chance to attack, pull their gun or disarm him and he will be unable to fight off someone AND load a round.

I am going to make him take some kind of course that will hopefully convince him to stop thinking in such "fantasy tale thoughts"

Any suggestions? I honestly want to just take the gun at this point because I fear it is going to be used against him because of his lack of understanding of what truly goes on in a home invasion or armed robbery, mugging or other violent attacks.
 
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It appears it's none of your business. Your dad is an adult and you can't make his choices for him. There is so much he needs to do it's hard to know where to begin. But he's the one who will have to do it.

That said, with the dog not making a sound, is it possible it was someone they would have known?
 
Your father seems to have some very dangerous ideas as far as home defense preparations and firearm tactics. He should definately be led to understand the dangers of his current thought process.
However, you may want to tread lightly at first. Your father doesn't seem to be comfortable with firearms, and the current preparations he has set are probably what he feels are safe.
You need to convince your father that they are not safe, and may get him or your mother killed during a home invasion.
With that said, you don't want to force your father into any preparations he is not comfortable with or properly prepared for. He has taken a big step in deciding to defend his family with a firearm. Now is the time for him to train, train, and train. Everyone starts off as a new gun owner, with no training or experience, no matter what point in life that happens. He now has to take the second step and become familar with his weapon.
Leaving the house and other property unlocked is a different story. Push him hard, again and again, until both he and your mother understand how dangerous that is. The sooner, the better.
 
That said, with the dog not making a sound, is it possible it was someone they would have known?

Good point, plus you said the intruder passed by your parents wallet and pocketbook. No burglar would pass up easy money like that along with the creditcards/personal info. Plus how would a burglar know exactly where the laptop is kept.

Odds are your parents neighbor or someone they had over recently like a repairman or etc was the burglar.

Your parents reported this crime to the police right? If not any fingerprints or evidence in catching the criminal are gonna dissapear.
 
They will be robbed again, no doubt, IF the person wasn't actually someone they know who specifically wanted the PC for some reason. Buying a gun might have been about the LAST thing they should have done it would seem on the face of it, ignoring any, every, other precaution. I hope it all works out well.
 
ATLANTIS - I have suspicions it is the neighbors son, he has very quickly taken the wrong path since their parents split and he is living with his father, who is a woman abusing dirtbag.

The dog, is much older, and since loosing our Golden only about 2 months ago, has become much more timid and lost without her partner.

Plus like I said, they were in different bedrooms, so I bet the dog heard the door didnt see the my father and assumed it was him going out, JUST as my mother asusmed.
 
I still think my dog wouldnt have been thrilled with the neighbor being in the house. She is not fond of them. At the very least, she would have been startled, she hasnt had contact with him in probably 6-7 years.
 
I think its pretty ignorant to say the safety and well being of my parents and family pet is none of my business.

I agree that my fathers opinions are unsafe. But Instead of ignore it and let him get the family hurt or killed.

Would you sit back and allow your mother or father to do something dumb because its "none of your business"?
 
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I am suspecting they walked through the backyard and saw into the room a tthe computer. They are surrounded by a pond that many kids hang around and often times feel its easiest to jump the fence and go through the backyard. IT saves them about 500 yards of a walk.

This time the person clearly decided he needed a new computer.

My other fear is this person knows computers and made a straight line for it, perhaps because he intends to hack it and steal personal information and account numbers.
 
They are planning to repalce the Golden we had for 11 years that passed with another Golden shortly.

It was a rare fluke that the dog they currently have was locked in the bedroom with my mother.

That also gives me reason to think it was a stranger, because many people in the neighborhood know of our large Black Lab.
 
As mentioned, they need an alarm system. It appears it was not a sophisticated thief. Those types will be deterred by an alarm. Time to fix the garage door, no?

I would make your father watch some episodes of "I Survived". He will see the depravity and brutality demonstrated by many home invaders. Anyone who breaks into a home while people are home must be willing to use violence.
 
Sounds appallingly similar to how my dad handled being burgled in Prague. He learned just about nothing and decided not to try to take any new preventative measures against it. The least they could do is invest in an alarm system like my parents have for our house since they don't believe in gun owning (at least they aren't unbearable crusaders.).
 
No thats the worst part, I bought a Glock for my father and sent him to training courses about 6 weeks ago, unfortunately the gun would NOT have made any difference in this situation.

I just cant convince him that you still do NOT want to leave the door unlocked and invite dirtbags because you have a gun.
 
I'd try to explain to them that if he's unwilling to use the firearm then why bother owning it? Not everyone has the capacity to use deadly force and that's a personal issue you probably won't be able to affect. But by displaying a tool he's not willing to deploy, it becomes a liability either to be used against him or stolen/sold to be used against someone else. If he's such a person that's fine but they could still help themselves by securing their residence.


Also the thief must have had prior knowledge to know the door was unsecured and which room was unoccupied. Or they got spooked when they realized people were at home and only took the computer without looking for more. Its also fair to assume whoever it was will be back for more eventually.
 
I think something you need to determine about your father, has he expressed in with absolute confidence that he will without a doubt kill another human being in order to defend his life. Have you asked him that question? I'm not sure you need to pursue anything else until you know.

Basically Krzyshng just beat me to it.
 
Send him to a class. Sometimes people will take advice better from an "expert"/stranger better than people they know, especially family. I guess they see the person as more detached and less likely to give advice based on emotion.?
My father has said similar things as your dad, and I explained to him that having a gun puts the attacker in a life or death situation and if he does it he had better be prepared to shoot. He seemed to get it... You might have to just do your best at giving advice and hope for the best :/
 
What is so odd is they didn't rip the computer from the wall and run out, they carefully unplugged it, possibly in an effort to be quite.....BESIDES if they can carry a fullsized computer down the street, why couldn't they toss a wallet in their waistband or pocket.
 
I am afraid they will be back. And with coming over and the door being unlocked, convinced they will be victimized again...I can only hope they are not injured, the scumbag doesnt hurt the dogs or cats or leave the door wide open for the cats to get out.
 
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It appears it's none of your business. Your dad is an adult and you can't make his choices for him. There is so much he needs to do it's hard to know where to begin. But he's the one who will have to do it.

That said, with the dog not making a sound, is it possible it was someone they would have known?

I would have to disagree. Family members have responsibility to others in the family. Yes, the OP can't make choices for his father, however, he can educate his father, take him shooting, and play the squeaky wheel.

I agree that it is very likely someone they know. What dog would simply wag their tail at an intruder. If that were really the case, it would be time to put the old dog down - completely serious here. A dog that doesn't bark at strangers isn't worth feeding or keeping. That's what cats are for.
 
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shoot a fleeing person in his house, despite the FL Castle Doctorine protecting his right to do so

Incorrect - if the person is fleeing, and you shoot him in the back, you are going to jail for murder.

I would NOT have pressured someone who is unfamiliar with guns to get one - THAT is a tragedy waiting to happen. Now getting new locks and other aspects you can do for them -motion lights, maybe sign up for ADT or similar.

My neighborhood is nice and quiet here in FL - mostly retired folks, there are always "eyes and ears" watching each other's place
 
He has convinced himself he is going to give the "robber" the opportunity to leave and would not shoot a fleeing person in his house, despite the FL Castle Doctorine protecting his right to do so.

Your whole story is kinda crazy. your parents should lock or at least shut the doors and shooting fleeing people just because you might be able legally isn't sound advice.
 
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