How about some brands of better quality AR 15's?

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Warp said:
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ADAMS ARMS are they any good or a better than average builder? Not the piston aspect. I guess the piston vs direct is a whole other can of worms:)

If I can patronize companies in my State I like to do so (well maybe not Kel Tech or all the spin offs) Hecl Colt bought a big property here but have not heard of them doing anything yet?
 
'better quality' to me means more accurate. Look up who is winning all the NRA high-power competitions at the nat'l level. Then look up what he's shooting. That's how you know quality.
 
Rule3 said:
ADAMS ARMS are they any good or a better than average builder? Not the piston aspect. I guess the piston vs direct is a whole other can of worms:)

If I can patronize companies in my State I like to do so (well maybe not Kel Tech or all the spin offs) Hecl Colt bought a big property here but have not heard of them doing anything yet?
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You asked about a piston upper. There is no such thing as average, there is no standard, there is no field testing, there is no decades-long history to look at.
 
Warp said:
You asked about a piston upper. There is no such thing as average, there is no standard, there is no field testing, there is no decades-long history to look at.
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I meant a completed assembled rifle. Does Adams not make the lowers or something? or are you saying because they are piston, not a direct comparison to other brands.
 
Rule3 said:
I meant a completed assembled rifle. Does Adams not make the lowers or something? or are you saying because they are piston, not a direct comparison to other brands.
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Because they are external piston operated they are not even really an "AR15" type rifle. So no, they are not directly comparable to the majority of the market.
 
OK Thanks. Guess I need to start a new thread or search for the piston vs direct debate threads:D
 
tuj said:
'better quality' to me means more accurate. Look up who is winning all the NRA high-power competitions at the nat'l level. Then look up what he's shooting. That's how you know quality.
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Accuracy is no indication of quality, which in the world of AR's, equates to reliability.
 
tuj said:
'better quality' to me means more accurate. Look up who is winning all the NRA high-power competitions at the nat'l level. Then look up what he's shooting. That's how you know quality.
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For a defensive carbine there are better things to look for.

Now, if your goal is to compete in NRA high-power competitions, by all means, copy everything you can from those guys. Guns, ammo, practice habits, methods, etc

But I doubt you'll be buying a complete off the shelf mass produced carbine and just shooting it
 
I have and recommend a KAC SR-15. The handling qualities of weight and balance are just about perfect. I am not much of a fan of the ambi-safety as it rubs against my trigger finger when extended out of the guard. The B.U.I.S are very well done. The trigger is two-stage and more than sufficient for my needs. The gas system set-up makes for a very smooth shooter.
 
Inebriated said:
Hey, nice job removing the last half of my quote.

Come back when you actually have something useful to add...
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You are absolutely right Inebriated! What good is more than average accuracy if reliability is diminished in a rifle designed for the purpose that an AR15 is intended. My KAC SR-15 is not near the upper level of AR possible accuracy but it is at the upper level of reliability and durability.
 
I have a Frankenstein AR--RRA upper/barrel, DPMS lower, Stark grip, Magpul stocks, BCM Gunfighter charging handle, and a super fancy Nickel Boron BCG.

modularity at its finest... :D

edit: I'm not even sure I have an RRA barrel, it might be a Stoner barrel...
 
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For about $1300 I now have 2 AR's that I like a lot, a Spikes and PSA. I really don't consider these that far below the other brands that have been mentioned, especially the Spikes which was around $800.
 
needmorecowbell said:
For about $1300 I now have 2 AR's that I like a lot, a Spikes and PSA. I really don't consider these that far below the other brands that have been mentioned, especially the Spikes which was around $800.
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Spikes is a good rifle at a very good price, it seems.

Of course, you can get a Colt 6920 for about $860 now so the good deal threshold is pretty aggressive.
 
Look up who is winning all the NRA high-power competitions at the nat'l level. Then look up what he's shooting. That's how you know quality.
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That is a lot like saying, "Look who is winning NASCAR races, then buy a Chevy".
Guys who are racing or shooting do not use "off the shelf" products. They are using whatever their sponsor provides, which is the absolute best example (whether it conforms to the rules or not) said sponsor can provide.
Remember, it is the sponsor's name on the line.
 
I guess the issue I have is that sure Colt makes lots of rifles but I have looked at many brands and specs being as they are, they all seem to be made the same. Colt even has parts from other makes on their guns. Colts triggers are the same as any other. CHF barrels are the same on any rifle that has them. Chromed bolts are chromed , Mil Spec X rays or whatever are spec. So what's the major advantage of one over the other?
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Its a matter of reputation and having been in the business for a long time.

Would you want to have a rifle from Colt or from some newer not-so popular AR15 company?

At the price point of Colt M4's like the 6920 for around $1100, they are a great AR15 for the money and you know you are getting a good value for a rifle that has the proper specs.

Other good brands are:
- BCM
- FN
- Noveske
- LMT
- LWRC
- H&K
- Smith and Wesson
- Daniel Defense
- Knights Armament

It will all depend on your budget. If you want something other than a Colt, but stay in the $1500 range, BCM and Daniel Defense are the best you can buy.
 
Justice 06rr,
Have you looked at prices lately? I just bought a brand new Colt 6720 for $799! At that price point I would not consider buying a cheaper brand that may use commercial buffer tubes, less quality BCGs, looser QC measures etc.

This is my first AR and will probably be my only one for quite some time. If I ever decide to sell it, guaranteed that it will hold its value significantly better than an RRA, Bushmaster, S&W, etc.

Those were all factors I considered and again, at that price point it was a no brainer for me.
 
'better quality' to me means more accurate. Look up who is winning all the NRA high-power competitions at the nat'l level. Then look up what he's shooting. That's how you know quality.
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What good is your sub MOA AR if the bolt lugs shear off after 200 rounds? :D
 
Haha, because Hi-power competitors don't care a wit if they experience malfunctions or parts failure during a string of fire in a match that is vital to a season championship!

I wonder who puts more lead down range annually, a serious high power competitor or a typical AR owner who shoots for recreation?
 
Leaving RRA off those lists shows some serious ignorance of their fine products. I got away from colt years ago after purchasing Rock River rifles. No comparision. You guys that carry the colt water are enamoured with the name more than the product. I do think the competition has made colt step up their game compared to 20 years ago.
 
Casefull said:
Leaving RRA off those lists shows some serious ignorance of their fine products. I got away from colt years ago after purchasing Rock River rifles. No comparision. You guys that carry the colt water are enamoured with the name more than the product. I do think the competition has made colt step up their game compared to 20 years ago.
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RRA can't even reliably ignite "hard military primers" in 5.56 ammo.

Or so said the RRA guys online when I posted about my dad's failing to fire a round of 5.56 that, when placed in a different rifle, worked perfectly.

RRA...nopenopenope
 
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