How carefully do you review pistols before buying?

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I don't really listen to any online reviews nor magazine reviews. For the reasons you mentioned. Often people invested will scream the loudest when there are issues or proclaim it the best thing since sliced bread.

I try a lot of guns buying them and selling them, if there is nothing I like about it. you don't really loose much money, if at all, assuming you didn't buy at Gander, Bass Pro, etc... :)

I do have a local range that will do a 5 for 5 special which is 5 bucks for 5 rounds and they generally have new releases, so it is good cheap way to try them.
That said, now a days I am pretty particular about what I want or like. Its got to be more than just reliable.
 
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I won't buy a pistol without getting my hands on it first. Grip is just too big a factor and too subjective to trust online reviews.

Rifles? Ehh - it's just a straight stock or a pistol grip. About the only variable that really changes is the stock drop, and you can kind of tell that from the pictures. No surprises. I've bought several rifles sight unseen. I won't do that with pistols.
 
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I follow a similar trend.

On an old gun, I lurk on GunBroker for a long time and when I find what I want, if there are a number of clear pictures, I bid aggressively.

For a newer gun I will read, and watch reviews, and take them with a grain of salt. I try to wait to handle an example or two, then I buy.

Almost every impulse buy I've made has backfired. There is only one place to rent guns in my area and their selection is limited. Buying based on interest is the only way I have to try guns.
 
If the kind of gun you want is something that is viable for competition, you can get a very good feel for how reliable they are and what is good or bad about them by watching people use them in competition.
 
I do a little homework and look for a few online reviews and I try to glean what the consensus is for the relative pros and cons then i go and handle the gun I want at one of the larger local gun shops. If I'm still interested after going through some reviews and handling the gun in question, I get in touch with a friend of mine who owns a gun shop and have him get the piece in question for me since he consistently has the best pricing for me by a large margin.
 
I have a more peculiar method. If I think I actually need the gun, I then specify exactly what features it should have for that role. Guns are not one type fits all, much less one size fits most. They have specific features that support what it does in real life.

A holster gun doesn't need a melt job, should have a safety, a mag disconnect is not a ticket to death, and having a DA/SA trigger isn't going to mean you automatically miss with the second shot. A pocket pistol, on the other hand, needs a good desnagging, still needs a safe trigger if not a safety, should have a working last shot slide hold open with also charges the gun when the mag is inserted and chambers it reliably. Trigger more often than not DA only.

Some will disagree my point is that one gun made smaller or larger doesn't make it equally good for the other job.

From that a list of the two or three guns that have those features in that category of use are researched. Brand be damned. If you let tribal loyalties interfere with gun selection then you can and will eliminate a gun that could very well be much better at what YOU need. Then I read reviews - and I look for the ones posted by haters, those who troll around sniping threads about a model who then remark about all it's negative characteristics.

Like, some guy here does with the first gen LCP. And, ya know, he's right about that.

Anyway, what I'm reading is to understand the hater. Are they making a valid point, or is it a style issue, handling quirk, unsubstantiated gripe, whatever. It's like old gun reviews of the HK P7 - and there were some who were distressed over them. Politely put, weird horrible gun, especially the toggle cocker. What they wanted was a SA 1911 clone, so it has to be asked, why even consider the P7? I look for that kind of thinking.

I one of the guns I'm researching has the quality and functional issues of a first gen R51, as patiently explained in detail by a reputable and credible poster, I pay attention. No, the LCP wasn't all that, it's not even in that situation. But, if the gun is demonized because the owner refuses to understand the function of a control, why it's placed where it is, or simply can't test one and adequately state they were using quality ammo - sorry, it's fake news.

There is also the beta model introductions too many gun makers indulge in, letting QC suffer the brunt servicing pistols that should never have been released - because, apparently, marketing got around engineering and the bottom line needed profits. Unfortunately marketing always makes excuses sound good when engineering, I suspect, are the ones posting about how bad the gun actually is. And for good reason, they didn't get to refine it extensively enough to birth their baby with a wholesome smile and already potty trained.

SIG did that with the P938, they thought they could use the .380 extractor, it wasn't reliable enough, they designed a 9mm extractor and started installing it after SN 84,000. It got beta tested - fixed - and THEN I bought it.

Kahr? Plenty of older posts and haters hanging on to past insults, not like I don't have a list of former bosses who turned out to be stinkers, too. However - reading the posts, seeing the NEWER results, and understanding that there are people who write up "reviews" who have no understanding or knowledge of test protocols - like, using quality ammo and good magazines - I can dismiss them. It's not that their experience then didn't happen. It's that the production line NOW isn't doing that, any more than a recovering drunk who's been sober ten years is hanging on the edge of a month long bender at any second.

Even Paul of Tarsus was finally accepted as a friend, although it took seven years or so. And I've had workplace aggressors who came back after a period of time who had changed - or at least didn't push those buttons again. Good enough. Even Colt and S&W are no longer trolled for their AWB compliant sucking up.

Back to Kahr, their current line of production isn't what it was like then, as ANY gun maker has issues now and again. Should we dismiss Remington forever and then lament their passing? The Alabama guns aren't junk and things are looking up. Same with Kahr, people complain that a gun should fire and function with whatever junk they stuff in the magazine - so I am, and it functions, and malfunctions as expected. If I put in Monarch steel cased the lame powder charge won't lock back the action on the last shot, Hornady American Gunner will. Most of us who shoot cheap junk ammo likely have dozens of stories like that, but the inexperienced new gun owner with their shiny expectant attitudes and no experience think that it's a federal crime it can't be perfect at all times.

Well, sorry, fake news again. Give it some time, they are going to go thru the rose garden and learn better.

After reading up on the guns on my short list I then put them in order by other criteria - like cost, availability, etc. And go try to get some hands on, even if just dry firing on the show room floor. That's where you get an idea of the actual, hands on length of pull on the trigger, it's travel, and weight. Some guns work fine for some, some shooters can tolerate anything, and then there are the other 56 millions of us who like our triggers right the first time. And a lot of that is how we grip the gun, how long it is to reach forward to the trigger, how long it takes to pull it back and get it to release. On paper the numbers as measured might be close or even identical, in the hand one gun that rated less well might come out first choice.

Kinda like wives. No telling.

If you plan to keep them for a while, you get choosier.
 
Most guns I purchase have been on a “wish list” for a year or more, so I’ve had plenty of time to read the forums, magazine reviews, and youtube videos. You kind of have to create a mental average of all that, since in the end it’s mostly opinion with just a handful of times any given firearm will have actual issues. Once I’ve made up my mind on what I want, I’m normally patient enough to wait until I find a good deal.

There are those few times when I find a price “too good to pass up” on something I’ve never heard of and I’ll have to get by with just an hour or 2 of internet research. I’ve noticed that I don’t tend to keep those purchases that long. Even if they work fine and I shoot them well enough, eventually they get traded for something that was on my wish list.
 
In my 20s I pretty much impulse bought. Not that there was an internet back then. By my mid thirties I had settled down and was satisfied with my collection. At around 40, I lost my whole collection in the process of a divorce as well as most of my money. So starting over with limited funds and being older brought a different perspective.

I tend toward the practical rather than the shiny and fancy. I enjoy the research and anticipation of looking for a new gun. Its more enjoyable than just grabbing something you see on a shelf and you often learn something you did not know about other things. I find delayed gratification much more enjoyable. I don't buy things that have not been out in the wild for at least a year. I don't do beta testing. I prefer to shoot a model before buying.
 
I tend to like older guns, and I have a few themes I stick to. I also have a hard upper limit that I will spend, and a certain price point below which I'd almost have to be talked out of it.

Within these parameters. it then varies. Certain guns I determined I wanted to buy if I could, so I researched the heck out of them, and stalked them until I could get one. Other guns have been more of the random opportunity purchase. I may know little other than design or manufacturer reputation, but it fits a theme and the price is such that it follows me home, and only then do I really explore what it is I've purchased.

I've been lucky; in both online and in-person purchases, I've been satisfied with what I have picked up. Probably a part of that is the themes I focus on- I look for duty and surplus guns, that served in some capacity. Most of those guns are well-designed, and the kinks worked out. If the gun isn't actually damaged, it's either in fine shooting condition, or easily returned to that state. Only functional issues I've come across in this group were as follows-
a hi-cap Makarov, Russian, under $200, that was completely missing a firing pin. $18 later, it's great.
a Tokarev, Chinese make, that the addon safety had sheared and the debris was fouling the gun. Removed safety, cleaned gun, runs great.
Currently, a Hi Power that has FTE issues. Got an extractor and new spring on the way. Expecting that to be great afterwards.

Sometimes appearance is rough, but I try to find something that can be restored, and isn't "messed up" in critical areas. I've landed a Sig P226 like this, with a rough and pitted slide. A little TLC has brought it from ugly, to generically worn. Shoots great.
 
My methods, first, is to believe 10% of anything you read on the internet, and if it's a general gun forum, like this one, only 10% of that. I may go on a brand specific forum like the ones on one of the 1911 forums, or like Beretta.com or HKPro.com, where people know more about what they're talking about, looking for any systematic failures a firearm may have.

Second, I don't buy into that "go to the range and try a bunch of guns" stuff either any longer. You don't shoot them enough, with a couple of mags or a box of ammo to make an informed decision. It takes a couple hundred of rounds to bond with a handgun. I've found that the one that fits your hand the best, that makes you smile when you hold it, is the one you will eventually shoot really well. You just need to put enough time and effort into it to be able to do so.
 
So many fine approaches and methodologies to buying a gun. Helter skelter may describe mine. I mean I am a mindless fool at times and then on other occasions I take great deliberation and do extensive online research. A majority of my purchases are rather impulsive. Oddly enough most of those turned out well. Perhaps I am very lucky. Each purchase seems different from the last purchase. There is no apparent rhyme or reason as I look back on my purchases. I enjoy reading everyone's thoughts on the matter. I might just adopt a wiser method. But then why abandon what has worked for me? LOL I am having fun.
 
If it is from a reputable manufacturer and has been in production for a while, I assume it will be reliable. Likewise if it was a service weapon for a major military power for a considerable length of time.

So there are a whole lot of reliable handguns out there. If it meets those criteria, feels good in my hand, and fills some sort of "gap" in my collection, I will consider buying it.

Once I've decided to buy one, it's just a question of finding one for the right price. I enjoy that part, "stalking" a certain handgun until I find it for a very low price.
 
In the years that I've been buying guns, I've found recently that I have a type (like with women) and I stick with it. I go for either a 1911, and in the event of a 1911, I'm super picky; a Sig DA/SA; HK LEM or DA/SA; or a non-Glock striker fired pistol from a reputable maker and that has ergonomics that work for my biomechanics. I'd rather have a gun that is intuitive to use as opposed to having to make my body work for the gun. That said, I can shoot anything, I just have some things that I prefer to others.
 
I review, I look at some YouTube (I'm pretty picky about who I watch), I look on gun forums and I look to see what people like Oleg Volk and Massad Ayoob have to say about the gun. Then I go look at one and see how it feels in my hand. Then I research some more, then buy.
 
If I had formed an opinion as an example the RAP9 from initial U-Tube video reports, I would never have acquired one as I did. The first center fire handgun that I fired was the 1911-A1 at Parris Island in 1964. Yes I've been around awhile. Glock pistols as an example I did not acquire and use till the Gen3. Yes I usually let some else be the Beta testers. When S&W introduced the Sigma I passed on it. When S&W and Walther collaborated on the 99 series I waited till the SW99-45ACP with the AS trigger system was introduced. When S&W introduced the MP series I waited a few years also before obtaining samples.

Under I have the time and the finances to conduct extensive duration firing tests in the thousands of rounds. Thus I form my opinions by actual usage I like the previously mentioned semiautomatic pistols. Not mentioned but included BHP, Colt 1911 series, S&W Gen3 DA/SA semiautomatic pistols, & pre lock S&W revolvers J - K - L & N
 
These days I'd bounce between forums to see what the talk is. Generally using search criteria such as "problems" for gun X. Get some hands on and if it fits, the $$ come out. These days there is an endless stream of info to go through for buying research. This is more tedious than necessary. For myself only certain makers appeal and CA refines those choices to a minimal amount. :/
 
On the whole, I do not care what others think or what most reviewers write. It doesn't matter whether they like the handgun or not. It doesn't matter whether they can shoot the handgun well or not. What matters is whether you like it and whether you can shoot it well. A handgun is a personal thing. I first think about the purpose, then the features that I want, and then the manufacturers that I trust. Once you have a short list, find a store that allows you to handle several without the clerk getting annoyed. Many times, I have fawned over a handgun online only to hold it in a store and not like it at all. Sometimes, you can order exactly what you want. Other times, you're looking at a used gun and trying to decide if you can live with some feature that you don't really like for a great price. It helps if you know what you like.
Definite bonuses include:
1) user configurable grips
2) available aftermarket night sights (important if you have a preference for a certain brand)
3) availability/cost of accessories - mags, holsters, grips if #1 doesn't apply
4) lightly used guns from reputable manufacturers that will fix problems, regardless of owner

Remember, the cost of the ammo shot through the gun's lifetime far exceeds the cost of the gun. I don't believe in relative truth in most areas, but handguns are the exception.
 
I have owned and shot enough pistols that I can make my own judgement on the value of the pistol. Of course, I have bought some that did not work so well.

I find most U-tube reviewers to be worthless. Most reviewers cannot make good reviews due to their inexperience in presentation and the information is not valuable. In many cases, what I deem important is not on the radar of the U-tube presenter so I have to make my own decision.

Written reviews are marginally better but not much. It seems you have to get past the "Fan Boy" status to get good, reliable information.

I will buy a new-to-me pistol with the expectation that it may not work out. In most cases, the pistol will have some shooting value.

When costs are important, I stick with known quantities and choose pistols that I have had experience with and leave the lesser known quantities for others to learn about the hard way.

I follow a similar path. I currently have and have had in the past a good number of the types of handguns I like. I find most all of the youtube videos entertaining (Hickock45, etc) but I have seen very few serious tests that would influence my buying decision. I am an accuracy buyer. The fact that you can bang away, hitting somewhere on a large steel target most of the time does not tell me much. Conversely, someone you trust doing precision testing showing the results does have an impact on what I shop for. I competed for a fair number of years and seeing what worked well first hand has the greatest influence on what I buy second only to my actual personal experience.
 
I internet reviews and videos, note the negative comments and determine if I can live with it. Most guns I can fondle at a local big box store (about the only thing Gander Mountain is good for, IMO) and if I like the feel/trigger then I'll have my LGS order it.

Sadly unless it is a basic Sig/Glock/Beretta I can't find one to rent/shoot locally.

So far I haven't bought one I haven't liked, so my method seems to work so far.
 
It varies for me. For some of the guns I've bought, I've spent months, or even years, before buying. Others, maybe a matter of weeks. Very rarely do I buy anything without first doing some research.

That being said, I just ordered the Mossberg Shockwave after spending almost no time researching. The only thing I made sure of was that it was legal to buy in my state. Whether or not I'll regret that purchase will be decided when it arrives next week, but I thoroughly believe that I will love it.

On the other hand, I've been watching the Marlin 1895 SBL for 3 1/2 years now. I want one desperately, but until I see a few more positive reviews from actual owners, I can't see dropping that sort of money for something that has been so plagued in the past.
 
Online research mostly, and many times I'm motivated by brand and price. A couple of times I've impulse bought some REAL stinkers, Tec-22, Astra A-90, CZ 100, to name a few. Even had an UZI Model B carbine that was a horrific jammamatic. Generally if I have only the choice of buying through the 'ent, then I will only get from makers I trust implicitly, like CZ, Smith and Wesson, Mossberg, and generally only models I know things about, including YouTube reviews and the wonderful forum reviews. Recently I ran with a sort of impulse buy simply because my son absolutely HAD to have one, and he had earned it - a German Sport Guns STG 44 22lr clone, even with the MAC review of the bolt staying back with the charging handle released, (discovered that if you pull the handle that extra fraction of an inch back THEN let it go, it works just fine - not like we're going to combat with this thing!), and we were both quite happy with the gun. Of course, time will tell with use, but so far...
Research how you want and have fun!
 
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