How do we stop PA from becoming NY?

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BTW. I know Rick Santorum personally. He is one of the few conservative Republicans left. He is not anti-gun.

I don't know him personally, but I can tell you this - no one in our family is going to vote for him this time around. We are as conservative as you can get, but after some of the things he has done, especially supporting Arlen Specter and torpedoing Pat Toomey, he deserves to be canned.

Arlen is RINO, but why do I even need to point that out?!? :barf: As far as I am concerned Santorum has become an opportunist seeking his own rather than representing the people who voted for him.
 
Bloomberg in PA???

the Patriot News reported that New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg was there outside the chamber, "with hundreds of Philadelphians battered by that city's spike in violent street crime in a series of rallies to demand that words be converted into swift action."
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PennsyPlinker: Whatever Santorum's sins, just be sure you're going to be happy with the sins his opponent will commit.

This is the part that drives me absolutely nuts. I know no one is going to be perfect, but the Republicans keep handing us people with the attitude that we have no where else to go. Like I said, I don't know him personally, but I do have a very good friend in the western part of the state who is very active in the party, and fairly high up to boot. He has had some very unkind things to say about Santorum, and he is a picture of restraint when it comes to saying unkind things.

Saddling us (again) with Mr. Sphincter (sic) says to me that the man has abandoned his principles. With Republicans like Arlen, who needs Ted Kennedy? And Santorum was very much a force in helping him retain his seat. Pat Toomey came very close to beating him, and would have won if it weren't for Bush and Santorum getting on board with Specter. So while he is touting the pro gun line now, who will he sell out next and when? Maybe things are going to have to get worse before they can get better. I have held my nose many a time while pulling the lever in the booth, but I don't know if I can do it this time.
 
I was dissappointed, to say the least, when GW and Santorum endorsed Specter. There's a very good chance the Toomey could have pulled it out. My biggest grief was that Specter was next in line to chair the judiciary committee, and would have a hand in the SCOTUS nomination process. I voted Toomey.

Luckily, my fears didn't result in bad SCOTUS picks, IMO. I'm not sure if the not-Specter next-in-line, (whoever that was) for the judiciary chair would have gotten in the way or not. The whole thing left me with a sense that GW/Santorum had reached an understanding with Specter, off the record.

I'll be supporting Santorum, though. We see eye to eye on the vast majority of things, and I think there is some truth to the notion that nobody can succeed in national politics without getting a little dirty, or making a few compromises. I'd rather have someone actually out there that comes close to my views instead of a whole bunch of people that match me exactly, but could never get elected.

I have limits, though. Namely McCain, Guiliani....
 
[q/]Whatever Santorum's sins, just be sure you're going to be happy with the sins his opponent will commit.[q/]

I have to agree with the above quote. I feel Santorum is the better choice since many of his views are alligned with mine. There is no politician out there that is honest 100% or they wouldn't be called politicians.

I have called the the Casey camp to find out what his 2A possition is and his staff tell me he is Pro-2A but when I ask specific, pointed questions they wouldn't answer me and told me to email him for clarification. Casey has not responded to 2 emails with these pointed and specific questions in over 3 weeks so far. I then decided to call his staff again and ask why he has not responded regarding these specific issues and my answer from them was that they would have him call me and that never happened. When a candidate plays the avoidance game when trying to find out where he stands on an issue this tell me he is dishonest in trying to make people think he is Pro2A.
In my book Casey is Anti-2A.
 
I feel Santorum is the better choice since many of his views are alligned with mine.

And what if the only issue (or one of only a few) one can agree with him on is the gun issue? Honest question, not a snide retort.
 
how do you stop PA from becoming NY?

Easy, let the eastern part of the state merge with the facists of NY and NJ.

geekwitha45 - I'm slowly learning to trust that PA residents have better sense. So far, so good, though I'm waiting word on the output of today's legislative free for all.

While I like to share in your optimism, I just don't know some times. Yesterday Allegheny County passed a bill to ban smoking from all businesses. (I know it's not directly firearm related) To me this is more of an issue of taking away the business owner's rights. I see this as only a beginning victory for the soccer moms out there. They couldn't get people to quit drinking by lowering the BAC for a DUI, so now attack the business that supplies all of us with a little happiness from our boring lives.

Does anyone else see a problem when you open the police blotter and see 1000 DUI arrests and 1 B&E? Seems to me that the efforts are focused in the wrong place if kids are still dying on the streets from violent crimes.

Someone earlier mentioned the PGH is becoming more red. This isn't happening fast enough.

Common sense must prevail.
 
NineseveN,
Well it all depends if the issue at hand is a protected right or not. Any candidate who wishes to remove any of my protected rights, arms or otherwise will never get my vote.
 
Easy, let the eastern part of the state merge with the facists of NY and NJ. ...Yesterday Allegheny County passed a bill to ban smoking from all businesses.

I guess not all the fascists live in the east then, huh? :neener:
 
Allegheny County Council Approves Smoking Ban
(KDKA) PITTSBURGH An ordinance to ban smoking in most public places in Allegheny County has been approved overwhelmingly 14 to 1 by county council members after three hours of debate and discussion.

The bill still has to be signed by Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato.

However, even if he did not sign the bill, tonight's vote shows there is more than enough support to override a veto if one occurred.

If the smoking ban cleared legal hurdles, it would go into effect in 90 days.

KDKA's Don Cannon reports that most people in attendance at the County Council's meeting applauded the decision.

"The way we're thinking about it is that this is an opportunity for our team members to take a real great stand on behalf of good health," said Eat N Park Vice Chairman Basil Cox.

Pitt medical student Marc La Rochelle agreed.

"Smoking and second-hand smoke are a huge public health issue everywhere," he said. "The morbidity and mortality associated with it are huge. We're really excited that the public is going to be protected by this new ordinance."

The bill had many amendment added to it including exemptions for so-called cigar bars and volunteer/charity organizations.

An amendment to exempt mom and pop bars and taverns failed to win approval.

Our partners at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette report that the state's Clean Indoor Air Act of 1988 contains a clause that appears to preempt municipalities other than Philadelphia and Pittsburgh from enacting local smoking bans.

I'll be writing Basil Cox of Eat N Park a letter letting him know Eat N Park will never get another penny of my business. Glad I no longer live in that county.
 
Me too. Although I am still close enough that I can almost spit there.

Higher sales tax than the rest of the state.
Higher property taxes.
Extra wage tax.
Notice a trend?

And they want people and business to stay in the county. :barf:
 
Idiots. Doesn't Eat N Park realize that he could have banned smoking in his restaurants at any time? What he won't say is that he just supports this so all the businesses around him are on the same playing field.

I read how they passed this same thing in Philly. Sooner or later they will see the drop off in business that other establishments have felt in areas with smoking bans.

Ex-smoker here, it's a filthy, unhealthy habit but it's your right to do so if you want to, IMO.
 
Idiots. Doesn't Eat N Park realize that he could have banned smoking in his restaurants at any time? What he won't say is that he just supports this so all the businesses around him are on the same playing field.

You know, I was thinking the very same thing. I have been in the Eat N Park in Beaver County plenty of times, and it has always been crammed with smokers in the smoking section. But I think you are right, he just wouldn't do it unless he could make everyone else do it too.

I'm not a smoker, and never have been, but I believe in people having the right to do it.
 
The fact that they orignally had many of the bathrooms on the opposite side of the smoking section (requiring non-smokers to wade though a cloud of smoke to pee) shows how concerned they really are for good health.

Here's the letter I sent to Eat N Park today, I'm considering sending a form of it to a few papers as letters to the editors or something:


To whom this may concern,

"The way we're thinking about it is that this is an opportunity for our team members to take a real great stand on behalf of good health," said Eat N Park Vice Chairman Basil Cox.

The above quote was taken from a story run by KDKA today about the Allegheny County Council’s passing of an ordinance to ban smoking in public buildings in the county; this includes bars and restaurants. I do not know the extent to which basil Cox and Eat N Park supported this action, however, his statement is telling enough.

If Eat N Park wanted to take a “real good stand on behalf of good health”, they could have eliminated smoking in their restaurants long ago, instead they chose to support a bill that would force business owners to remove their smoking sections. It’s not difficult to see why Eat N Park would choose to support the legislative route instead of truly taking a stand; money. A lot of Eat N Park’s business in their Allegheny County establishments comes from the after-hours crowd of bar patrons looking for a place to grab a bite to eat, have some coffee and wind down before making their way home. By 2:30am, there’s not an Eat N Park in the area that does not have a steady stream of bar patrons entering, ordering, eating and paying their bills; a large portion of those patrons smoke. If Eat N Park truly took “a real great stand on behalf of good health”, the smoking patrons would have had the ability to choose to go to another establishment, one of Eat N Park’s competitors. That’s called freedom of choice, embodied in the freedom for a business owner to decide whether or not to offer a smoking section and the freedom for patrons to make their decisions on which establishments to frequent accordingly. That choice was taken away today for Allegheny County residents.

There are a number of remedies that were and continue to be available to those that wish to “take a real great stand on behalf of good health”. For one, Eat N Park could have done a better job on implementing their smoking sections and instead of using a few panes of glass with huge openings, they could have improved (or added) ventilation and better sectional design which could have mitigated the whole notion of secondhand smoke for their patrons (all in the name of good health of course). The County Council could have chosen to mandate a stricter set of requirements for what constitutes a ‘smoking section’ and laid down some hard rules for ventilation and sectioning. Yes, these measures would have cost business owners a good deal of money, but what do you think this ban is going to do? A number of small businesses, especially bars that serve food are going to get killed by this ban. Now, instead of having to spend money to keep themselves competitive and in business, some of them may have to start looking for a new line of work.

The end results? Small bars and other small business that depend on the revenue generated from tobacco products and serve the culture that smokes will take a hit financially. There will be increased smoking outside of the premises of many of these buildings (what, did you think smokers would give up and go away?), which will lead to more complaints about secondhand smoke (now everyone will have to drag their children in through a could of cigarette smoke to get from the car in the parking lot to the inside of the establishment). So how far can this silly rabbit hole go? Will the next ban be on smoking in public completely (indoors and out)? Will smokers soon find themselves breaking the law if they have a cigarette in their car on the drive home?

I’m a semi-frequent Eat N Park patron (love those Breakfast Smiles), but the way I’m thinking about this is that it is an opportunity for myself to take a real great stand on behalf of individual freedom. Eat N Park will never again see a penny of my hard-earned money, not in Allegheny County or any other county for that matter. And any other business that pushed for or supported this measure will be treated the same. As far as the council members, that’s up to county residents to handle. As HL Mencken once said, “the urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it”.

Sincerely,
NineseveN - a fomer Eat N Park customer

If we want to keep PA from becoming NY, we need to stay focused on liberty and personal freedoms, even the ones we don't like. Liberty is not convenient, it's not easy and sometimes it means dealing with crap you'd rather not deal with, but the alternative is to start legislating everything from conduct to morality to vice to thought. I don't know about you all, but I'm not ready for that brave new world where the government tells us we cannot smoke, drink, own guns, have sex, watch porn, go to a different church or vote...you?
 
Philadelphia politicians keep pushing the State for tougher gun laws. Today there was a gun control rally in the capitol, they want a one gun a month law.

OK this is why I put some of the blame on hunters......how many deer hunters are there in PA.....like a billion...huge hunting state. "Rights" only go so far when there are farming subsidies to be had.

Coming from Conservative North Dakota, I understand, and look at the two bone-head Democrat senators they have. Makes me :banghead:

wouldnt hurt if the Republicans were real conservatives either.......and willing to fight
 
and then there is the story of a guy in the york county sherriff's office renewing his carry permit. he was in line behind a young white chick who was making her first application. she was a skank ho.

the girl was accompanied by two young black "gangbanger" types, who were "helping" her fill the application out. the sherriff's deputy accepted her application and wished her good day. the three left the office.

as i handed my renewal to the dep, i asked him who he thought she was going to be carrying the gun for. he smiled at me and said there was nothing he could do, as she was exercising her right under the law. i remarked that such was true.

do carry permit holders commit violent crimes with firearms? by way of accessory, it would seem quite probable that the young lady would have her opportunity. i should be careful where i walk, it would seem.
 
Justashooter,

Clearly if she got a permit, her record must be clean...

I would assume that the "gangbangers" she was with also must've gotten a permit at one time to be able to help her. So they probably are not criminals either.

The point is that don't judge people by their looks. The fact that she was coming in to get a permit is a good thing IMO. The more permit holders, the less likely we are to lose our rights.
 
he Patriot News reported that New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg was there outside the chamber, "with hundreds of Philadelphians battered by that city's spike in violent street crime in a series of rallies to demand that words be converted into swift action."

While we're speaking of voting..... did anyone in Pa. vote for Bloomberg?!?
He should be politely shown the door ( and don't let the state line hit your A** on the way out )
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Hey Justashooter when did that happen? The reason I ask is last year when I was in the Gandermountain at the West Manchester mall I saw a girl and two guys fitting your description perfectly looking at hand guns. Just think it would be funny if it was the same group.
 
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