How do you resist the siren call of a new gun?

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If you are worried about your finances, use a credit card as little as possible. You don't want to be paying interest on a credit card bill. It is a little like throwing your money in the garbage.

I only use cash for gun purchases. That way I know I can afford it. I don't have a lot of disposable income, so this keeps me honest. I should still be saving more, but at least my bills (including my credit card) are paid in full each month.

It's not easy to resist, but you need to have self discipline when it comes to money. Even when you have millions you can lose it all if you buy stuff you can't afford.
 
Right now it isn't too hard for me. I just look at what I've got coming in & what is going out. Wanted to get another pistol when I got my tax return/stimulus check money but wife talked me out of it. Thing is though I'm the sole support for my wife & kids & things have been uncertain work wise for the past few years. I want more guns/more calibers to play with but the kids come first.
 
Give in for a while. Then you'll end up with a bunch of fun toys, and if you buy well, losing money isn't likely to be an issue.

That said, at this point I'm pretty much done with gun buying, I'm down to one a yearish, partly because cheapies hold no allure after owning nice things - I sold the ones I had that I didn't like as collection pieces, range toys, or just 'it's neat'.

I'm happier at this point with one really, really nice piece every so often.

It's funny sometimes though, I end up with something I see on so many of the "if I could have anything" wish list threads from people who spent twice or three times what their desired toy is on surplus impulse buys and junkers.

What you want is obtainable, just figure out how.
 
Your sick in the head OP..

Why would you ever want to talk yourself out of a firearm?:evil:
Seriously, I've done the credit card thing and it's not fun. Save for next purchase. Hell, I got to the point I no longer go out "drinking with the boys" to fund my addiction.
 
I just bought one had another in mind when my A/C went on the fritz. $900. Now I do imitations of Roy Orbison singing "Crying"
 
I have to resist. I could stick a few more handguns in the back on the bottom somewhere, but NO more rifles. I am already three over capacity.

Obviously, the answer is buy another safe...but the cash isn't availible at the moment.
 
I think of my wife making a handbag from my scrotum and that makes the desire go away :D

Seriously, we discuss stuff like this - we chat about any significant purchases beforehand so nobody gets grumpy; it's just a mutual respect-thing for us (I'm only batting 95% so far, though) ;)
 
If you really want to have fun, learn how to reload and start reloading.

The only problem is that you could outlay a couple thousand dollars, by the time you buy all the equipment, bullets and/or brass for each cartridge you're loading, various powders, primers, and the bullets themselves.

The combinations and variations for each caliber are literally endless.

However, what you end up with (hopefully) is ammo that is anywhere from 25% to 50% less expensive than store-bought and if you are loading for accuracy, you will be loading ammo that is consistently tack-driving ammo.

I've been there with the credit card routine. I ended up closing the credit card accounts and will not (do not) open any more.

I try to be happy with the several guns I have (which are pretty decent guns, and which I load for -- all except shotgun, I never handloaded for shotgun).
 
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Of course, guns, unlike many other objects in which we might pursue our leisure, seem to hold a decent value. Doubly so if you try to buy used =).

This is one of the things that makes it so easy to justify a gun purchase. If you know how to shop, a used gun can be resold for as much or more than what you paid for it.

Talking myself out of a gun is really easy if it's a current production model or an average priced used gun. Where I run into trouble is on smokin' deals or hard-to-find pieces.
 
I'm trying to pay off my bills first, and it's difficult to do if I'm adding expenses to the credit card or debit card, if I get every gun I want, I'l never get out from under the pile of bills, but dammit, I *WANT* a new gun, every week it seems

Don't buy any new gun until you are out of debt - buying a gun on a credit card bill (that you don't pay off at the end of the month) is a guaranteed way to get a very bad deal on a gun! Want to buy a $500 gun for $1000 - put it on a credit card and take your time paying it off!

Speaking from experience :), paying down credit card debt on stuff you can't even remember you bought really sucks. If you do it once, and really pay it down one painful payment at a time without trying to play any "re-financing" games, I can almost guarantee you won't run up a debt like that again. Everyone who I know who's played fancy games with credit cart debt (consolidating, line of equity against a home, re-fi car loan, etc) has run the debt up again within a year. The few folks I know who have paid off credit card debt at $150/month with no new expenditures have never run up credit card debt again - paying it off is that painful.

Since I know that computers and guns are my weakness, I don't ever buy either one on credit. Here are my two rules:

  1. Never buy a gun on a credit card.
  2. Never buy a gun until I have fully mastered the last one I bought. I don't understand the attraction of owning a safe full of weapons that I don't shoot regularly and shoot well.

To be honest, I did break rule #2 with my last patent award - I wanted to understand something about autos and bought an Armalite AR 24 when a patent was granted. My company gives us $2000 when a patent is granted, and I treat that more or less as funny money ($200 to charity, $900 for my wife to spend on something extravagant, $900 for me to spend on something extravagant).

Mike
 
This is one of the things that makes it so easy to justify a gun purchase. If you know how to shop, a used gun can be resold for as much or more than what you paid for it.

I am guessing this clearly not true if you buy guns with a credit card, or buy gun instead of paying down credit card (or other debt).

I think it's also much rarer to make money on used guns than folks think.

Here' s a thought experiment: If I buy a gun for $1000, and sell it 10 years later for $1400, have I made any money on the gun?

The answer (depending on when I bought and sold it) is that I have almost certainly lost somewhere between a little money and a lot of money on the transaction.

Mike
 
If you figure it out, keep it to yourself. I don't want to know. :D
 
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I remind myself that early retirement is more important than a 15th gun.

You nailed this one. Bragging rights for your gun collection or being able to go shooting every weekday morning for 10 years because you were able to retire 10 years earlier? Is that even a dilemma for anyone?

Mike
 
Resistance is futile.

But you do have to keep a level head and an eye on your wallet. Do what I say, and not what I do. :)
 
Why resist? In their own way they are a 401K, if managed properly!

More or less the same way a lottery ticket is a 401(k), if you managed properly - first you have to manage to buy the right one. :)

The risks associated with treating guns as investments blows my mind.

The legislative risks alone are mind boggling - the value of your "investment" can be blown by either less restrictive or more restrictive legislation. As an example of risk due to less restrictive legislation, talk to folks that bought "pre-ban" magazines a couple of years ago. While it seems very unlikely, if Heller or some subsequent decision were to force the opening of the Federal machine gun registry, what would that do the the value of a Uzi bought last year for investment purposes? As an example of the other extreme, I see no reason why a left-leaning legislature couldn't prohibit or excessively tax the sales of "assault weapons" - with some wacky definition of "assault weapon". The legislature might or might not grandfather in existing weapons. I can easily imagine a legislature permitting possession of existing weapons of some class, but not permitting the sale of those weapons.

I understand that there is legislative risk with most investments, but the legislative risk with guns strikes me as off the charts. For example, US government agriculture policy could have a big impact on corn futures - but the government is pretty darned unlikely to make sale/possession of corn illegal. :)

I think that there are also some pretty specific "age related" risks to our hobby. I think it's a crying shame, but I see a lot more gray hair at the gun range than I do body piercings. Speaking as an official "old geezer" - I turned 55 last Friday, I see a lot more old geezers at the range than I do young whippersnappers. Two things are true about old geezers:

  1. Old geezers relatively affluent. Most economists will tell you that affluence generally is highly correlated with age in the US - at least until medical bills gobble it all up at the very end. In general, men 55 to 65 can afford more expensive toys than men 25 to 35 for example.
  2. Old geezers die. Men who are 65 to 75 probably aren't going to be buying expensive toys for more than another couple of decades.

Since I don't see as many young people coming into our sport, that leads me to believe that the current value of weapons is pretty dependent on an aging affluent population that is dying off. That doesn't bode well for the future value of the toys that affluent population is currently buying. What that suggests to me is that the number of people willing and able to pay top dollar for investment grade guns is going to diminish pretty radically in the next 25 years. I could be wrong about that, but my observation is that the percent of the population under 30 who are hunting or serving in the military is much, much smaller than it was when I was growing up. I suspect that many folks currently involved in the shooting sports were introduced to weapons either as hunters or by military service - that just isn't happening any more.

Both of these risks suggest to me that "investing" in guns is extraordinarily risky - probably more risky than investing in works of art or oil wells.

It would be very interesting to have someone who understands finances/investing analyze investment in weapons. I will be the first to tell you that understanding the risks with any of more complicated bonds makes my head hurt, even though I think I understand many of the risks in stock investment. I suspect that the risks associated with investing in weapons (for civilian use) is much more complicated than for any of those financial instruments.

Mike
 
What that suggests to me is that the number of people willing and able to pay top dollar for investment grade guns is going to diminish pretty radically in the next 25 years. I could be wrong about that, but my observation is that the percent of the population under 30 who are hunting or serving in the military is much, much smaller than it was when I was growing up.

What I learned working in the industry for most of the last decade is that there are new buyers who are taking the place of the old men, as always, but they're not buying the same things.

The guns most old men deride are what they're buying - the pimped out ARs, pre-89-ban-era guns, higher end non-1911 pistols.

I expect many folks to take a bath eventually selling non-top-end militaria and high-end hunting rifles.

Today's shooter isn't necessarily a hunter, honestly - and it's more about handguns and plinkers than hipower competition rifles and bench rest shooting.

Yeah, some will come around to be interested in the same things and guns as the old men, but it's just not going to be in the same numbers.

I'd expect, for instance, that future collectibles could include original country of origin wondernines (Italian Berettas, W. German Sigs, etc), metal-era assault-type weapons, etc.

I should add that discussions with an extremely high-end collector here who is well above 80 have contributed a great deal to these conclusions - he and I share a passion for first-generation automatics and that's about it. I can respect the craftsmanship in some of the older weapons, but I'd have zero interest in his collection of drillings or Perazis even at a fraction of market value other than to own a gun that used to be his. Thankfully, he's also collected a substantial amount of modern weapons, and I own several of those I've purchased and can treasure as-is both for what they are and who they came from.
 
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A gun habit is much worse than a Crack Cocaine habit. :evil:

I can get a $5 or $10 rock anywhere, but I can't get a Bulk Pack of .22 LR for under $15 :neener:
 
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