How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico

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I am apalled by this thread. The hate and bigotry spewing forth here is pretty bad. What happened to human rights? We spout about the Constitution, but the 2nd ammendment is only the 2nd.
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Illegal aliens are entitled to due process. That means protection under the law, not benefits. Citizenship does mean something, still, even in 2006. Illegal aliens are, in essence, trespassers, squatters, gatecrashers. We're supposed to honor their transgressions? No way, and it doesn't matter what Bush or the toadies in the U.S. Senate think.

And, by the way, it's AMENDMENT.
 
The Fourteenth Amendment is not intended to be used as a way for people to criminally abuse the privilige of being natural born. No other right enumerated in The Constitution is upheld when used criminally. You lose your freedom, your rights of speech, arms, travel, privacy etc. when you abuse them. Those crossing the border illegally to deposit babies on American soil can hardly be expected to retain the same priviliges as a person who was born here legally. And even if citizenship IS extended to the child, it is NOT extended to the parents. They can't make it to the endzone, give birth, and be home free. We could go down in history as the only empire ever to fall from within, because we were too poitically correct to call criminals criminals and end the problem.

Everyone wants to live in America. America is the best place in the world to live. The people of Mexico just have the advantage of living next door. Everyone else in the world must go through an application process and wait in line, but if they are from Mexico, we'll just pretend it doesn't matter.

Mexico secures their southern border. They deal with illegal immigrants abruptly and decisively. They won't grant anyone permanent residence unless they can show a significant contribution the the Mexican economy. The most profitable industry in Mexico is natural resources. THE SECOND MOST PROFITABLE IS CASH SENT TO FAMILY MEMBERS FROM PEOPLE WORKING IN AMERICA.

Someone else already said what we need to do to solve the problem. No round-ups, no kicking in doors, no buses or boats. All we have to do is enforce existing law by forcing employers to hire legally. No more tax deductions for any wages paid to workers under the table. When they can't work here anymore, THEY WILL WALK BACK ACROSS THE BORDER ON THEIR OWN.
 
Quote from Mike: I am apalled (sic) by this thread
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Mike - how lame and ridiculous can you be, my good man?

What is appalling (to me) is the total disregard (by people who spew the drivel you just recited) for the sacrifices made by other brave Men and Women that allow us to enjoy the Freedom and Citizenship we possess today. Our Freedoms and Our rights were secured at an enormous price - one that you and I will never really fathom.

It angers most Americans when those who have little invested in the process wish to give it away in such a casual and insulting way.


The United Sates Constitution - Remember the Preamble?

We the People of the United States... C I T I Z E N S

The Constitution in its entirety applies to the Citizenry - Not To Illegal Felons who decide to take up residence at will...

No one is abridging the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States... Illegal Aliens are NOT Citizens, my friend...

We do live in a Free Country - a country governed by laws. If you break the laws, you are a criminal. Illegal Aliens - Criminals - need to be sent packing.

Come to this country Legally - assimilate and naturalize - you are welcomed with open arms.

There is no Hate nor Bigotry going on here... It is about preserving our American Birthright and Enforcing the laws already on the books. I think Husker pointed to it well: If your home is overrun by dozens or tens-of-dozens of criminals, would you not stand and resist? Would you not protect what is your to protect?

I do not think Anyone here has anything against Legal Immigration... U.S. Borders should be open to ALL who are willing to enter legally and go through the Immigration process.

The Key Word here, Mike, is ILLEGAL... IMO, We - as a Sovereign Nation - have a responsibility to fight it at every turn.

Sleep well, my friend... Sleep well knowing there are people willing to lay down their lives to protect your Homeland - even if you are not willing to do so yourself.
 
Mike, I ain't gonna jump on you like everyone else here. Mainly because I used to be like you. I still believe in eternal and universal civil rights that transcend borders and boundaries. But, I believe these values should be tempered with common sense.

I didn't believe illegal immigration to be a problem, kind of like I didn't believe Spanish being America's second language to be a problem. Then I went to the southwest. I saw my family's old farm in Texas, drove around the border areas, and then went through NM, and AZ, until I got to California (for the family reunion).

In Texas, even the small town we came from (in Eastern Texas), the influence was everywhere. And it wasn't the Tex-Mex culture that has been Texas ever since the south moved there en masse. It was from people over the last 20-30 years.

The closer to the border I gotm the worse it was.

Then, I was in L.A. I noticed that the Hispanic community of L.A. was largely not legal, and I also noticed reports on the news and in the papers about huge social problems. Problems which could only be attributed to illegal immigration. The wages in California were regularly slave level (4-6 dollars an hour), and low level jobs being that, the "American jobs" were only $10 an hour or so.

You can't live in L.A. on only that amount. Especially when property costs so much because of illegals needing a place to stay. My aunt, in fact, to make mortgage payments was renting her basement out to 5 illegals!

For every dollar they drop into social security in a desperate attempt to save it, they cost us almost $4. This has got to end. It is destroying our lives.

The worst part is the fact that they (for the most part) have no affiliation to America as a nation. This is a job. But they will take our services, welfare, and language lines, as well as our jobs which should pay much better while they are here.

They want those universal human rights, the place they should start is their home, Mexico. They should rise up and change things.

Coming here and destroying the fabric of our society will not help them. Fixing their homeland will.

If we do employer sanctions, build a wall, and do deportations, we willl force them to fix their homes.
 
One reason we need a wall or fence at the southern border is to correct the accident of geography. Mexicans have no intrinsic right to pour over our border simply by virtue of their geographical contiguity with the United States. Not only do we, as citizens, have every right to determine who is to legally enter the United States, we have the right to extend that privilege, on whatever terms we choose, globally, according to our criteria. We owe it to ourselves to take away the accident of geography so we can better decide which immigrants truly benefit the vision and values of this nation. Why is a Mexican more "entitled" than someone from Ireland, Poland, Thailand, or Kenya? We are not obligated to "Mexicanize" America simply because they are next door. The truth is that Latin American values and North American values are historically based on very different principles, something that our beloved President needs to educate himself about.
 
Mike 08,

Perhaps you should re-read that portion of the XIV Amendment that you highlighted; it restricts the actions of the individual states, not the federal government. Might want to pay attention to the first sentence also that defines citizenship.
 
Desertdog, do you really think Bush doesn't know how to effectively solve the border problem? Anyone with half a brain and the authority to implement policy could solve this problem, as was proved by Ike back in the 1950s. I've been saying this for years. The problem is not the method, but the will do solve the illegal alien problem. Bush doesn't have the will to solve it. His goal is a political union between the US, Mexico and Canada, and an eventual hemispheric political union, to include South and Central America, ultimately to be united in a one world government with the EU and other similar multi national unions. The Ike plan would only make that more difficult. He needs open borders long enough so that eventually we will just take for granted the idea of open borders, and the next steps towards world government will seem less shocking to us. That's why no one is implementing a modern Operation Wetback today. Of course it would work perfectly. Anyone with half a brain has known this all along. They don't want this problem solved, and that's why it won't be solved.
 
Hawkeye,

I agree, of course. I continue to be amazed that NO ONE calls Bush out as an "open borders" guy. I mean in open forum. They're doing that plenty on talk radio where Bush is being flayed daily for being a globalist-in-American-clothing.
 
The story about the 50s is interesting. You also had hard nosed guys like Bill Jordan on the border. Men who really knew their guns and law enforcement. They had fewer rules about being nice to the illegals and much fewer trial lawyers screwing up the country and keeping them from doing their duty......Better days in many ways...How we got from there to the mess we are in today is beyond me.....but it has a lot to do with the corrosive effect of liberalism.
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I miss the pre-PC days. Can you imagine a newpaper actually using the term 'wetback' in an article today?

If we don't have enough people to pick the cucumbers, then create a guest worker program that is controlled and let them in as needed.
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I don't like cucumbers. Let's stop growing them and then we won't need anyone to pick them.

I understand that in most countries, simply being born there does not make you a citizen unless one or both of your parents also are. Eliminating this anchor baby provision would probably make a significant impact also.
 
Speaking of cucumbers, we need way more backyard gardens (and hydroponic ones too), especially in light of the total social picture that's emerging. Illegal immigration thwarts self-reliance. It also stifles new technology (robotics).
 
zoom, not using the term Wetback has nothing to do with PC. The term comes from a guy swimming the Rio Grande to illegally enter Texas, right?

Okay. Mexico has repaid its water debt to the US, from releases from San Martin Reservoir on the Rio Conchos. They are now no longer releasing water except to irrigators in Chihuahua State.

There is basically no flow in the RG past El Paso. With no inflow from the Conchos, then, there is little water in the river. All ya gotta do is walk across. No need to swim.

So they flat-out physically can't be webacks.

Unless they stumble and fall...

:D, Art
 
A question of priority?

Not withstanding the argument of the humanatarian/ethical/et al reasons of immigration, let me ask the pragmatic question:

How can the Department of Agriculture locate one unidentified cow and it's calf with Mad Cow disease on a farm somewhere in rural farm America......

But INS can't effectively prevent, find and deport adequete numbers of illegal aliens all over this country?
 
A few years ago I heard a piece on NPR (ducking incoming rocks) about how the Vidalia Onion Growers Assn in GA appealed to their congresscritters to get the INS to stop raiding their fields for illegals as it was impeding their ability to get their crop to market.

Every member of the GA congressional delegation (including both senators)signed a letter to the DOJ asking that they cease enforcing the immigration laws (that they enacted!) during harvest season.

Every member of the GA congressional delegation receives/d campaign contributions from the Vidalia Onion Growers Assn.

Same deal as TX during the 1950's....follow the money.

I don't take everything at face value from any media source, especially NPR, but for them to narc on corruption of this nature (given their orientation) I would tend to believe that it's true.

China, OPEC, Mexico, and our own welfare state...we're selling/PC'ing ourselves into oblivion.

"Hold on to your butts!"
 
I'm tired of having to learn damn spanish in school!!!! I live in freaking america not mexico. Lets establish a official language so i can quit wasting my time with all this crap that shouldnt even be a problem!!!!! im sick of this. Im an A student who's average got bumped down to a B because i cant speak the spanish language wich is now almost a requirement in texas to graduate. :banghead: man this jupsets me does it anyone else????
 
I may have been Publik Skooled in the South...still even I know...

The bathroom picture with dresses is the LadiesRoom - the picture with pants is the Men's room.

Works here at home, ajoining states, Out of the country like Jamacia and Miami Fla. :D

Not real sure what that couple was eating in the Spanish Restuarant in Ft. Lauderdale...but if you point and nod your head, the waitress will bring you the same thing.

:D

I like this "work smarter not harder" bit.
 
ok, ok

I understand your points. At a level, they even make sense. Here is what I see as the problem:

We need imagrant workers (illegal or not).

I do not get paid a great amount for my work. The imagrant workers (who get paid close to nothing), pick the food and work the farms that provide my food. If empolyers had to pay "american" wages then the prices of my food goes up.

We live in a symbyotic (big word, maybe made up - who knows) society. The illegal imagrants work for nothing (and send a lot of it home) and I eat for less.

As to dumping children on our social security system: I agree. 100%. Just because you are born inside the US borders should not entitle you the status of being a US citizen. I don't even think that having citizen parents should entitle you to citizenship. Citizens should be contributing members of our society. It's harsh, but what can I do. That's the way I feel.

Am I a hypocrite? I will always do what is in the best intrest of myself and my family. I am willing to give up american" jobs so that my family can have a better lifestyle. I am willing to support companies (very likely the farms who produce the food that I buy in my local grocery store) who are willing to turn a blind eye to the legal working status of its employees. I will use people to get what my family and I need

That's my 2 cents (maybe more).

Mike.
 
Am I a hypocrite? I will always do what is in the best intrest of myself and my family. I am willing to give up american" jobs so that my family can have a better lifestyle. I am willing to support companies (very likely the farms who produce the food that I buy in my local grocery store) who are willing to turn a blind eye to the legal working status of its employees. I will use people to get what my family and I need
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Translation: All that is important is me and my family RIGHT NOW. Everybody else, and the future, can go get frelled. :barf:


Where is that ignore button?
 
If empolyers had to pay "american" wages then the prices of my food goes up.
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I remember hearing a similar philosophy some years back about China. "Well, my friend, that's a hole market ready to by our goods.!" It became "Well, things are better now that China is a producer. They make stuff for cheap--you can buy your kids a bike for $35 down at the Box Store."

The reality is they've become global consumers, competitors for resources that have led to the huge gas prices. And they're only going up.

Now, same thing with the illegals. The "cheaper labor" short circuits the free enterprise system. If its worth doing, its worth a wage the market will pay. And while you may not make a fair wage, the lower than fair or legal wage paid to the illegals DRIVES DOWN the lower income bracket wages. This is a prime example of the rich getting richer.

It simply doesn't make any logical sense that "we need the workers" can co-exist with "We have folks on welfare." I mean, which is it?

Too large an influx of immigrants dilutes our values. This folks didn't grow up learning about the BOR--they'll roll over easier when oppressed. You think they give a squat if unconsitutional gun laws are passed? Heck no, they grew up without that right. You got millions of "citizens" in California that feel that way.

By not acting, we're enablers. That's right--we need to keep them at home so they can clean up their own corrupt government.

Final note--penal battalions. I'd not send them to southern Mexico, they'd be going to Iraq after 8 weeks.
 
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The Consumer has replaced The Citizen, just as immediate gratification has replaced common sense.

We're destroying our middle-class with illegal immigration at the same time we undermine our own social and political heritage. In China we've allowed our propensity to consume, even at the price of indebtedness, to grow a prime competitor for resources and a potential military enemy.
 
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